All Motor Rules for 2010????? - Page 6 - Yellow Bullet Forums

Go Back   Yellow Bullet Forums > Racing Organizations > Milan's Heads-up Shootout - Videos -News - Interviews

Milan's Heads-up Shootout - Videos -News - Interviews

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-26-2009, 05:17 PM   #76
mayhem
Moderator
Smoked Another SBC
 
mayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Almont, Mi
Posts: 6,756
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Quote:
Originally Posted by gryphon68 View Post
Tim, sorry to hear about your tangle with the wall. Glad you are OK.

Not sure I understand the resistance to an electronic safety aid that might also save you several thousand dollars in damage. I'm not saying to make them mandatory, I'm just saying it's a valid alternative for people who would like to minimize wheelies or at least have a safety if the car comes up on one pass in a hundred.

Anti-Wheelie electronics is not the same thing as Traction Control, that $4K+ Davis unit won't do a damn thing to keep the front end of your car down.

I have no issue in running bars in classes were they are allowed. Even in a class where they are not allowed it's nice to have for testing. But in classed were they are not allowed, it's nice to have something that can protect you and your car.
I understand you simplified the concept of this ASD (Anti-Superman Device) , but it would need to be very complex and may not ever work.

You couldnt use a simple mercury switch set to ground at a certian angle. Because....as soon as the car went south of that angle, you would go full timing again, similar to wacking the throttle and the car would just go back up. Same thing would happen even if you had another switch to reactivate time once the car is all the way on the ground. Suspension reaction added with pouring the timing back in would stand the car up again. Probably end up sounding like a bracket racer at the stripe, only on two rear wheels.

Good concept, but I think if it were to ever work, there would need to be multiple perameters, that would require some type of computer and interface. Which in turn would drive the price way up, just like the traction devices.
__________________
Rick Dodge - Almont, MI

mayhem is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-26-2009, 05:26 PM   #77
mayhem
Moderator
Smoked Another SBC
 
mayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Almont, Mi
Posts: 6,756
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Agreed that wheelie bars may provide a performance advantage, but if everyone is allowed to run them, its just a mean shift.

I believe the small block have to most to gain with bars. Chances are, with bars, they can leave on a full nut sack. Mag, Butch, Lance will definately pick up with bars, IMO. The bigger inch boyz however, still wont be able to leave under full power, or they blow the tires. Sure, everyone blows the tires from time to time, but the bigger motors stand a bigger chance......on a small tire.

Wheelie bars would definately change the game.....
__________________
Rick Dodge - Almont, MI

mayhem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2009, 07:14 PM   #78
jeffb1
Junior Member
Pre-Staged
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 91
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1...e-Control.html
jeffb1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2009, 07:21 PM   #79
Butch Kemp
Senior Member
Smoked Another SBC
 
Butch Kemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington MI
Posts: 5,427
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Quote:
Originally Posted by gryphon68 View Post
Very true, but the red mist would cause many a driver to not push the button (at least not until it's too late)

Personal Opinion: Wheelie Bars should NOT be added to a class simply for safety reasons or to minimize damage to the cars from landing. There are enough alternatives available to keep that nose down without bars out the back. Wheelie bars are a PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENT. (again, personal opinion, yours my differ)
If its so easy to do controlled wheelies then spend about 100k put together a competitive all motor or similar car and try it for yourself....Look at the fastest guys in the country.....they have ALL had several major wheelstands and tore shit up......if your trying hard its gonna happen.....hopefully the rules get finalized soon. so we can make our decisions.
__________________
------------------------------------------------------
7.75-174.40
.................................................. ...................
NEVER give up
Do it right the first time
Keep your promises
Dream BIG
Thanks to:
Chris Uratchko
JTS carburetors
Mickey Thompson tires and wheels
Ultimate converter concepts
Marcella manifolds
QC coatings
Alan Pennywitt
Steve Pennywitt
Butch Kemp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2009, 07:54 PM   #80
fatwax
Senior Member
Smoked another BBC
 
fatwax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: michigan
Posts: 2,581
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb1 View Post
ding ding ding ding... we have a winner! hi jeff.
__________________
Eric W.
fatwax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2009, 07:56 PM   #81
Rock Daddy
LSx Vega
Smoked another BBC
 
Rock Daddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Livonia, Michigan
Posts: 1,648
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Quote:
Originally Posted by fatwax View Post
ding ding ding ding... we have a winner! hi jeff.

I hooked my wall thermostat as the switch, you know that little mercury filled thing. Worked just fine!
__________________
Call me Ken, not Rock Daddy, in person.

Just an All Motor Noobie
Best ET 8.21@163.67 all NA Power
LS Power supplied by Billy Briggs. www.motorcityspeedonline.com
www.ls1vega.com

Rock Daddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2009, 08:06 PM   #82
jason 408
Member
Pullin gears
 
jason 408's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: cincinnati
Posts: 890
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb1 View Post
its like having sissy sticks with out the extra weight
__________________
rolling on 8.5s aka " chesseburger"
jason 408 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2009, 11:54 PM   #83
Ben Mens
Senior Member
Smoked another BBC
 
Ben Mens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Petersburg Michigan
Posts: 3,132
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Electronic devices are just that, devices. They still have to be programmed, set, adjusted etc. They are electronic and prone to fail in a harsh environment such as wheelies, landings, etc. And if you set/adjust them incorrectly, guess what? They still will wheelie and produce the same resulting chaos (plus the cost of the wheelie device that was incorrectly adjusted causing the damage). Wheelie bars, they are mechanical, bolt on and if incorrectly adjusted will either wheelie too high, or unload the rear tires and spin. Both with no damage to the vehicle or injury to driver or others. I was at the Dutch Classic this weekend and witnessed a lot of wheelies from stock eliminator, super stock eliminator (love those SS/AH cars!) and comp eliminator with wheelie bars. No one aborted a run, no one tore anything up, and some won their respective round while others unloaded their rear tires or bounced too much on landing and lost their round.
__________________

Lucas Oil Products / Dart / Total Seal Piston Rings / Trick Titanium / Scott Rod Fabrications / Motorcity Solutions / Mike's Garage
Ben Mens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2009, 12:17 AM   #84
Ben Mens
Senior Member
Smoked another BBC
 
Ben Mens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Petersburg Michigan
Posts: 3,132
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Mayhem asked:

Speaking of headers like yours (which I think are way cool by the way), did you see any performance drop or gain when you changed?


Car has made it's best runs with them.



Theorically, they should see "some" resistance exiting out the side (especially top end) with the wind running at them at 90* angle.


I suppose I have lost some "thrust", but maybe that has been more than offset by the hot boundary air (light) keeping the heavy air from attaching to the body.



Also, any concern on cold nights, when you click it off......cold air possibly being forced back through? Do you egt's? Have you measured the temp drop? Before and after?


Not really, you love to have cold air rushing into a cylinder from the intake side, what would cold air rushing into a cylinder from the exhaust side do in an non running engine? No, No, & No.
__________________

Lucas Oil Products / Dart / Total Seal Piston Rings / Trick Titanium / Scott Rod Fabrications / Motorcity Solutions / Mike's Garage
Ben Mens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2009, 10:02 AM   #85
RPM
Member
Pullin gears
 
RPM's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 837
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Any chance we could get a weight break for cars that are 1975 and older.

Some of the old iron just can compete in the aero department like the newer stuff.

25 / 50lbs?

What are the thoughts on this?
__________________
1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass

All Motor 1974 Hurst / Olds

Visit us on Facebook Search Big Thunder Performance.
RPM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2009, 10:04 AM   #86
Chris Uratchko
Moderator
Smoked Another SBC
 
Chris Uratchko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: In the shop....
Posts: 31,060
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Yeah I completely agree. Look how much faster BK's new car is compared to his old car. These old rust buckets can't hang with the new stuff.
__________________
Chris Uratchko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2009, 10:08 AM   #87
Rock Daddy
LSx Vega
Smoked another BBC
 
Rock Daddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Livonia, Michigan
Posts: 1,648
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

I don't have enough motor so I am making sure I get every bit of weight break as I can.
__________________
Call me Ken, not Rock Daddy, in person.

Just an All Motor Noobie
Best ET 8.21@163.67 all NA Power
LS Power supplied by Billy Briggs. www.motorcityspeedonline.com
www.ls1vega.com

Rock Daddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2009, 11:14 AM   #88
Radical540
Misanthropist
Smoked another BBC
 
Radical540's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The "MotorCity"
Posts: 3,017
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Daddy View Post
I don't have enough motor so I am making sure I get every bit of weight break as I can.
Because your VEGA just weights so much right?? LOL

What does a 2 door VEGA coupe weigh anyway?? 57lbs?
__________________
"It's not about pop-up Nav screens,burl wood accents, 40 gig harddrives, or sunroofs...Nope, it's not about any of that-- the REAL question is, when you turn your car on- Does it return the favor?"

Radical540 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2009, 11:16 AM   #89
Chris Uratchko
Moderator
Smoked Another SBC
 
Chris Uratchko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: In the shop....
Posts: 31,060
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

Oh c'mon they weigh at least 1000..... LOL
__________________
Chris Uratchko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2009, 11:17 AM   #90
Radical540
Misanthropist
Smoked another BBC
 
Radical540's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The "MotorCity"
Posts: 3,017
Default Re: All Motor Rules for 2010?????

hahaahaha...yeah maybe with a driver with a stomach full of Buffalo Wild Wings............
__________________
"It's not about pop-up Nav screens,burl wood accents, 40 gig harddrives, or sunroofs...Nope, it's not about any of that-- the REAL question is, when you turn your car on- Does it return the favor?"

Radical540 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:01 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
Resources saved on this page: MySQL 2.67%
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Yellow Bullet LLC