Alchohol or Q16

MartyPearcy · 03-22-2009, 08:19 PM

In our class we can run either race fuel or Alchohol. I am limited to 360 cubic inches and any power adder. I was thinking of going with an F2R with a geardrive for sure. I already have the Bigstuff. The bore is a 4.18 and stroke is 3.25 and the heads flow 405@.800. This is a true 10.5 car and no wheely bars and 3250#. Would you go alchohol or Q16?

Ron Clevenger · 03-22-2009, 08:49 PM

If there's no restrictions to boost, it's a no brainer, go with the alcohol.

Blessings..........Ron.

DaleJr67ProStreet · 03-22-2009, 09:04 PM

alcohol

BBF · 03-22-2009, 10:02 PM

Wow, pretty big head for a 360.... Why use the F2? The F3 117 would be a better choice as the transmission will hold up under 1/4 mile abuse where the F2 will not.....You don't have to use alcohol a combo like this with an F3 can run mid 7s on C-16

MartyPearcy · 03-23-2009, 08:11 AM

Alchohol from what I here will require more maintenance that fuel will. But I will need an innercooler and cooling system for the motor. Which will be more weight as well as hassle with the ice. But if it will truly be better, I will do it. I just wanted opinions from you guys who have done it. I know some have ran both. Thanks for your input.

**morris** · 03-23-2009, 11:10 AM

I would suggest the F3 also Better blower and will make more power.
Alky on EFI is the better choice for you as long as your rules allow.

BBF · 03-23-2009, 12:27 PM

If you had a gear drive and a carb I would use alky that's just me. Alky does have it's problems from corrosion, storage, and water plus requires big expense in fuel system with EFI... Put a cooler under dash butting up to Throttle body so you only have one pipe from blower to cooler... Gasoline runs just as fast just not as good tuning window.

Smokey1226 · 03-23-2009, 01:40 PM

Alky- $2.99/gallon

C16-$11/gallon

More power/less weight. At the end of the year, you will rip the motor down anyways. I think it's a no brainer

outlawDR85 · 03-23-2009, 03:07 PM

I myself was going to run alcohol in my 360ci sbf with an F3 but decided on c16. The alcohol has its advantages but with all the maintenence that is created by just the fuel it changed my mind. Your gonna have to work on that car enough why make it worse for yourself? As far as a cooling system goes for the engine just get a 3gallon cell and a remote water pump and your set. Also go with the F3 unless all you wanna run is 1/8th mile.
Just my .02cents

MartyPearcy · 03-23-2009, 05:02 PM

All we run is the 1/8 mile here. The air is terrible also. We are in West Texas and it is a Desert. Corrected air altitude is normally around 6200 ft. The best my weatherstation ever recorded here was 3200 ft. We are at 2780 ft. actual altitude. We will make between 35-45 passes ayear on the car once the tuneup is figured out. I know I will be around 130-150 pounds heavy with the c-16 and innercooler.

sbc_racer · 03-26-2009, 10:21 AM

I ve been looking at running efi on alcohol an some guys have given me a run down on how they clean the fuel system xsnova has cam driven fuel pump with fast xfi an has 2 tunes one for alcohol an when finished racing switches over to gas an run s it through the system an done sounds simple to me .Just thought id let ya know as it was nearly putting me off when people say there s heaps more work with alcohol also herd use vacume pump helps keep moisture out

mpk1996 · 03-26-2009, 10:41 AM

i would think about running alcohol. you could do away with the intercooler and run a small eng system as the alky would cool everything a lot. you may have to run dual injectors though, so make sure the BS3 has that upgrade. C-16 is pretty expensive too.

redwhite · 03-26-2009, 04:55 PM

Alcohol gives a way larger tuning window. If your worried about maintence then take up fishing. It's a race car.

.

MartyPearcy · 03-26-2009, 06:00 PM

We have decided to run alchohol. Made the call to Bigstuff to configure the box for Alchohol and install O2 upgrade. Now I will try to find some 550# Moran injectors for a fair price. Also decided on an F3-123. Should be a beast. Thanks for everyones input.

Dal Sangha · 03-28-2009, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartyPearcy

We have decided to run alchohol. Made the call to Bigstuff to configure the box for Alchohol and install O2 upgrade. Now I will try to find some 550# Moran injectors for a fair price. Also decided on an F3-123. Should be a beast. Thanks for everyones input.

Wheelie has some 550lb Moran injectors for sale. His name is Dan Saitz, look him up.

03-22-2009, 08:19 PM	#1
MartyPearcy Junior Member Spooled up Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Midland,Texas Posts: 129	Alchohol or Q16 In our class we can run either race fuel or Alchohol. I am limited to 360 cubic inches and any power adder. I was thinking of going with an F2R with a geardrive for sure. I already have the Bigstuff. The bore is a 4.18 and stroke is 3.25 and the heads flow 405@.800. This is a true 10.5 car and no wheely bars and 3250#. Would you go alchohol or Q16?

03-22-2009, 08:49 PM	#2
Ron Clevenger Senior Member Smoked another BBC Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central California Posts: 1,030	Re: Alchohol or Q16 If there's no restrictions to boost, it's a no brainer, go with the alcohol. Blessings..........Ron. __________________ Creekside Racing Ministry...John 14:6 6.52@219mph...still tunning CSU Gas Dominator ProCharger nonintercooled Top Eliminator West www.topeliminatorwest.com Steve Morris www.neweraracecraft.com

03-22-2009, 09:04 PM	#3
DaleJr67ProStreet Junior Member Launchin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Frankford, DE Posts: 453	Re: Alchohol or Q16 alcohol __________________ 540" w/ twin 88's 1.10-60' 4.40 @ 171 1/8th mile 6.84 @ 213 1/4 mile Benston's Racing Engines, Drummond Race Cars, North Star Motorsports, Mobley Motorsports, J&E Performance, & Hank Hill's Hooked and Gone Race Car Technology

03-22-2009, 10:02 PM	#4
BBF Senior Member Smoked another BBC Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,296	Re: Alchohol or Q16 Wow, pretty big head for a 360.... Why use the F2? The F3 117 would be a better choice as the transmission will hold up under 1/4 mile abuse where the F2 will not.....You don't have to use alcohol a combo like this with an F3 can run mid 7s on C-16

03-23-2009, 08:11 AM	#5
MartyPearcy Junior Member Spooled up Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Midland,Texas Posts: 129	Re: Alchohol or Q16 Alchohol from what I here will require more maintenance that fuel will. But I will need an innercooler and cooling system for the motor. Which will be more weight as well as hassle with the ice. But if it will truly be better, I will do it. I just wanted opinions from you guys who have done it. I know some have ran both. Thanks for your input.

03-23-2009, 11:10 AM	#6
morris Moderator Pullin gears Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 620	Re: Alchohol or Q16 I would suggest the F3 also Better blower and will make more power. Alky on EFI is the better choice for you as long as your rules allow. __________________ Steve Morris www.stevemorrisengines.com www.boost-tek.com

03-23-2009, 12:27 PM	#7
BBF Senior Member Smoked another BBC Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,296	Re: Alchohol or Q16 If you had a gear drive and a carb I would use alky that's just me. Alky does have it's problems from corrosion, storage, and water plus requires big expense in fuel system with EFI... Put a cooler under dash butting up to Throttle body so you only have one pipe from blower to cooler... Gasoline runs just as fast just not as good tuning window.

03-23-2009, 01:40 PM	#8
Smokey1226 Senior Member Smoked another BBC Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South East, WI Posts: 1,041	Re: Alchohol or Q16 Alky- $2.99/gallon C16-$11/gallon More power/less weight. At the end of the year, you will rip the motor down anyways. I think it's a no brainer __________________ NEW PRICES!!! Need Brad Penn Oil/Ethanol E98 Fuel/VP Race Fuels Visit http://schmidtsgasngo.com/index.html

03-23-2009, 03:07 PM	#9
outlawDR85 Member Pullin gears Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: upstate NY Posts: 519	Re: Alchohol or Q16 I myself was going to run alcohol in my 360ci sbf with an F3 but decided on c16. The alcohol has its advantages but with all the maintenence that is created by just the fuel it changed my mind. Your gonna have to work on that car enough why make it worse for yourself? As far as a cooling system goes for the engine just get a 3gallon cell and a remote water pump and your set. Also go with the F3 unless all you wanna run is 1/8th mile. Just my .02cents

03-23-2009, 05:02 PM	#10
MartyPearcy Junior Member Spooled up Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Midland,Texas Posts: 129	Re: Alchohol or Q16 All we run is the 1/8 mile here. The air is terrible also. We are in West Texas and it is a Desert. Corrected air altitude is normally around 6200 ft. The best my weatherstation ever recorded here was 3200 ft. We are at 2780 ft. actual altitude. We will make between 35-45 passes ayear on the car once the tuneup is figured out. I know I will be around 130-150 pounds heavy with the c-16 and innercooler.

03-26-2009, 10:21 AM	#11
sbc_racer Senior Member Smoked Another SBC Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,102	Re: Alchohol or Q16 I ve been looking at running efi on alcohol an some guys have given me a run down on how they clean the fuel system xsnova has cam driven fuel pump with fast xfi an has 2 tunes one for alcohol an when finished racing switches over to gas an run s it through the system an done sounds simple to me .Just thought id let ya know as it was nearly putting me off when people say there s heaps more work with alcohol also herd use vacume pump helps keep moisture out

03-26-2009, 10:41 AM	#12
mpk1996 Member Pullin gears Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jax, FL Posts: 631	Re: Alchohol or Q16 i would think about running alcohol. you could do away with the intercooler and run a small eng system as the alky would cool everything a lot. you may have to run dual injectors though, so make sure the BS3 has that upgrade. C-16 is pretty expensive too. __________________ Michael Keenan XS4996 PROCHARGER DEALER Thanks to Wade at Southern Speed - www.southernspeedracing.com Jeff at Jeff Burns Racing Engines Tony at HP Performance - http://www.hp-performance.com Automatic Transmission Factory - www.atfspeed.com Greatest Fear: When I die, my wife will sell my race car and parts for what I told her I paid for them!

03-26-2009, 04:55 PM	#13
redwhite Complete dickhead Smoked Another SBC Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 4,278	Re: Alchohol or Q16 Alcohol gives a way larger tuning window. If your worried about maintence then take up fishing. It's a race car. . __________________ This is the world's greatest sig line ever!!!

03-26-2009, 06:00 PM	#14
MartyPearcy Junior Member Spooled up Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Midland,Texas Posts: 129	Re: Alchohol or Q16 We have decided to run alchohol. Made the call to Bigstuff to configure the box for Alchohol and install O2 upgrade. Now I will try to find some 550# Moran injectors for a fair price. Also decided on an F3-123. Should be a beast. Thanks for everyones input.

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