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Old 06-07-2017, 06:09 AM   #31
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While my comments were not aimed at Force or DSR , as dislike or lack of respect, quite the other. They were able to do what they wanted because the rules were not nor are they now in effect to keep the NHRA in check. There was a time that nhra should have seen that one guy owning more then one car per class was going to get you the fuel car show you have now ( boring at best).Drag racing was not and should not be a team sport, If so it becomes a spending race.
It was not that long ago that EVERY town NHRA went to on the schedule had half the field of local fuel cars trying to compete.What stopped that ? How about rolling in with all your buddies and your car and the first thing you see ( because you had to work until the last minute to afford this) is 5 semi's and a technology center all set up ready to conduct some serious ass whoopin. Yeah I would probably leave the car in the trailer too.
What if NFL let one guy own like 5-7 teams and the ability to transfer key people when necessary, how long until it was done. It did not have to go this way with the proper structure...have you ever asked yourself how many pro caliber fuel cars are just sitting around or went alcohol racing not by choice. PDRA has a great thing going they are just going to have to grow with a solid 10-20 year projected growth plan to gain staying power..Or people can just say screw all the sanctions and go have fun at the big one off races that are gaining momentum.
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While my comments were not aimed at Force or DSR , as dislike or lack of respect, quite the other. They were able to do what they wanted because the rules were not nor are they now in effect to keep the NHRA in check. There was a time that nhra should have seen that one guy owning more then one car per class was going to get you the fuel car show you have now ( boring at best).Drag racing was not and should not be a team sport, If so it becomes a spending race.
It was not that long ago that EVERY town NHRA went to on the schedule had half the field of local fuel cars trying to compete.What stopped that ? How about rolling in with all your buddies and your car and the first thing you see ( because you had to work until the last minute to afford this) is 5 semi's and a technology center all set up ready to conduct some serious ass whoopin. Yeah I would probably leave the car in the trailer too.
What if NFL let one guy own like 5-7 teams and the ability to transfer key people when necessary, how long until it was done. It did not have to go this way with the proper structure...have you ever asked yourself how many pro caliber fuel cars are just sitting around or went alcohol racing not by choice. PDRA has a great thing going they are just going to have to grow with a solid 10-20 year projected growth plan to gain staying power..Or people can just say screw all the sanctions and go have fun at the big one off races that are gaining momentum.
Everyone wants no rules all types of innovation racing until a few teams with the most money start winning everything. Then people start complaining about how the sanctioning bodies could let this happen. I've said this many times on here that you come to a point that you price yourself right out of racing. You just can't go back to the glory days anymore. You're never going to make everyone happy in these classes of racing. There are way to many variables of cars involved. And the cost has gotten way out of hand for the average racer to just show up and qualify so they don't come out at all. There are problems from top to bottom in drag racing and it doesn't look like there's any hope in the near future to help it. Everyone wants to blame the younger generation for not getting involved in a mess that the older generation created. Can you blame them. It's not their fault they can't afford a 100k dollar entry level racecar. look at top sportsman. That should be an entry level class to any promod class and they have less rules and more and more 3 second cars than ever. There are guys stepping down from higher classes to run top sportsman. But it is what it is.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:31 AM   #33
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Jacknut, once again, a superb post.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:24 AM   #34
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NHRA Top Fuel is the PROFESSIONAL level of drag racing. Its not designed for the back yard Joe to just show up. Name one other professional auto racing series that is not expensive. PX and PB are not professional level classes. You can't confuse the two. But we could point out that for awhile in the beginning, PDRA touted itself as "where the elite race". They've since backed off that platform for good reason. But elite usually aligns itself with expensive. To their credit, they have had good payouts and a good structure and that's helped them be successful. I think they're smart enough to continue to gauge their car count and be proactive. But again, PX is always going to be a smaller class.

If we were to look at the history of NHRA we would see that it was the racers that brought in the bigger sponsors and made the racing what it is today at the top level. Didn't Bernstein bring in Budweiser, as one example? I don't see a problem with multi-car teams because it happens at every level. More cars is more cars. Good discussion BTW.
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:53 PM   #35
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I had a nice post written about the decline of the car culture and went to a website to check a couple of numbers and when I came back to here to finish the post, everything I had written prior was gone. I hate posting on an iPad! Sooooo..... Take my word for it instead, the younger generation is more interested in Uber than owning a car. Sports car sales are down.

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Old 06-07-2017, 10:41 PM   #36
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NHRA Top Fuel is the PROFESSIONAL level of drag racing. Its not designed for the back yard Joe to just show up. Name one other professional auto racing series that is not expensive. PX and PB are not professional level classes. You can't confuse the two. But we could point out that for awhile in the beginning, PDRA touted itself as "where the elite race". They've since backed off that platform for good reason. But elite usually aligns itself with expensive. To their credit, they have had good payouts and a good structure and that's helped them be successful. I think they're smart enough to continue to gauge their car count and be proactive. But again, PX is always going to be a smaller class.

If we were to look at the history of NHRA we would see that it was the racers that brought in the bigger sponsors and made the racing what it is today at the top level. Didn't Bernstein bring in Budweiser, as one example? I don't see a problem with multi-car teams because it happens at every level. More cars is more cars. Good discussion BTW.
I have to disagree a little I have worked on for a few backyard Joe top fuel teams. volunteer crew guys shoe string budget.Not running junk but good hand me down parts from the big teams.We had fun ran good enough to make the show even win a round or two.Was a fun time .......... PX and PB are not professional level classes that's kinda funny .For what the top teams spend on that i could field a bottom tear PROFESSIONAL fuel car.You get 9 grand just to make the show also get free entry car and crew.
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with pdra i'm just really thankful I get to see awesome racin on the computer when they race.car counts up or not,just thankful theres a whole bunch better show then what bullshit nhra puts on.back in the '80's and early '90's I was on tour with a nhra nitro funny car.owner and driver(whos got a funny car and top fuel world championship!)are still good friends but I cant stand even goin to Pomona to help or hang out with them because of the shit show bracket cars they got runnin.i cant even watch the bullshit shows on fox because of they're poor announcers and broadcasts.fuck 'em.give me promods whenever they're on and I dig the whole format pdra puts on(really like the jr's too).racin costs money,bet them jr's got some dough in them too
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It was not that long ago that EVERY town NHRA went to on the schedule had half the field of local fuel cars trying to compete.What stopped that ? How about rolling in with all your buddies and your car and the first thing you see ( because you had to work until the last minute to afford this) is 5 semi's and a technology center all set up ready to conduct some serious ass whoopin. Yeah I would probably leave the car in the trailer too.
Your imagining of a naive, clueless, local low budget Fuel team entering an NHRA National Event and being disheartened upon seeing the Force, Kalitta or Schumacher combines is quite charming.

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Old 06-08-2017, 12:12 AM   #39
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Any guesses who or what will be the first nitro car to appear in PX?
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RE: PDRA

Before everyone says the sky is falling - let's look at a few facts. The PDRA and former ADRL used to have a much broader geographical footprint. The PDRA tried to maintain that, but couldn't get the car count or crowds to sustain their events when they traveled west. As such they became a primarily east coast association. Obviously they made the decision that their western races were not performing. As a result, I think they lost potential cars.

I think PDRA is showing promise. They aren't packing the house, but they aren't playing to an empty house any more either. If they can continue to draw a few thousand paying spectators, that is a big step in the right direction. I think the uncertainty of the future has hurt PX the most because it is primarily an eastern circuit. There's nowhere really on the east coast you can run a screw car outside of PDRA. If you have a Pro Boost or Pro Nitrous car, you have options with circuits like NEOPMA or NHRA.

I don't know how much lock ups have discouraged some from chasing PDRA either. Especially in PX and some degree PB where the lock up has taken ring and pinion life to a run or two. Feeding it a ring and pinion every run has probably doubled the operational cost of running the car.
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RE: PDRA

Before everyone says the sky is falling - let's look at a few facts. The PDRA and former ADRL used to have a much broader geographical footprint. The PDRA tried to maintain that, but couldn't get the car count or crowds to sustain their events when they traveled west. As such they became a primarily east coast association. Obviously they made the decision that their western races were not performing. As a result, I think they lost potential cars.

I think PDRA is showing promise. They aren't packing the house, but they aren't playing to an empty house any more either. If they can continue to draw a few thousand paying spectators, that is a big step in the right direction. I think the uncertainty of the future has hurt PX the most because it is primarily an eastern circuit. There's nowhere really on the east coast you can run a screw car outside of PDRA. If you have a Pro Boost or Pro Nitrous car, you have options with circuits like NEOPMA or NHRA.

I don't know how much lock ups have discouraged some from chasing PDRA either. Especially in PX and some degree PB where the lock up has taken ring and pinion life to a run or two. Feeding it a ring and pinion every run has probably doubled the operational cost of running the car.
Lock-ups are not all they are cut out to be really. They have made some improvements in a few classes but the carnage vs cost factor is astronomical what it does to the ignition system and drive train from the parts failure I have seen.
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I have to disagree a little I have worked on for a few backyard Joe top fuel teams. volunteer crew guys shoe string budget.Not running junk but good hand me down parts from the big teams.We had fun ran good enough to make the show even win a round or two.Was a fun time .......... PX and PB are not professional level classes that's kinda funny .For what the top teams spend on that i could field a bottom tear PROFESSIONAL fuel car.You get 9 grand just to make the show also get free entry car and crew.
I never said they couldn't show up and participate on a shoe string budget. What I was referring to is the idea that the PRO level event should be geared for locals to run, There are plenty of smaller teams making a few events a year. But again, that level is not designed to be a local show. And there are levels to any sport. They may get 9 grand to make the show but they likely spent three times that getting there. Its all relative and nobody is "making" money, Jim. LOL
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Any guesses who or what will be the first nitro car to appear in PX?
Not sure of his name, but I'd bet on the guy in the vette that was at Tulsa last month. Car made more noise than anything, but it did go 3.90s. Fun car to watch to. Car pulled the wheels and the motor came to life when the converter locked up...
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Rick Hord's car was due to get a new Extreme bullet so that may have been why he wasn't there
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So are yall expecting the pdra to fold soon? It's seems like it, going by this thread.
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