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Old 06-06-2017, 11:36 AM   #46
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ANYTIME a sanctioning body tries to introduce different engine combinations into one class it ends up being a cluster fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
Thats why they separate classes for the blown and nitrous cars in most sanctioning bodies. NHRA is trying to keep Turbo, Nitrous and blown cars even.
GOOD FUCKING LUCK YOU MORONS! No matter how hard they try, people will gain an advantage with one combo or another.

An EVEN playing field and TRUE competition is racing against people who have the same combination you do.

Just my opinion after 35 years doing this and seeing what happens when they try it.
They are trying to breath a little life into a dying class
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Old 06-06-2017, 01:48 PM   #47
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ANYTIME a sanctioning body tries to introduce different engine combinations into one class it ends up being a cluster fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
Thats why they separate classes for the blown and nitrous cars in most sanctioning bodies. NHRA is trying to keep Turbo, Nitrous and blown cars even.
GOOD FUCKING LUCK YOU MORONS! No matter how hard they try, people will gain an advantage with one combo or another.

An EVEN playing field and TRUE competition is racing against people who have the same combination you do.

Just my opinion after 35 years doing this and seeing what happens when they try it.
They only separate the power adders in ONE organization for PM. And same combinations did not work for Pro Stock. There is no such thing as an "even" playing field. But you can get close and that's what NHRA Pro Mod has done quite well actually.
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Old 06-06-2017, 06:17 PM   #48
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ANYTIME a sanctioning body tries to introduce different engine combinations into one class it ends up being a cluster fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
Thats why they separate classes for the blown and nitrous cars in most sanctioning bodies. NHRA is trying to keep Turbo, Nitrous and blown cars even.
GOOD FUCKING LUCK YOU MORONS! No matter how hard they try, people will gain an advantage with one combo or another.

An EVEN playing field and TRUE competition is racing against people who have the same combination you do.

Just my opinion after 35 years doing this and seeing what happens when they try it.
NHRA's doing a great job minus Frank Manzo.
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Old 06-13-2017, 09:36 PM   #49
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Coulda swore I saw PDRA make an announcement today rescinding the allowance of 50% nitro in PX, but now I can't find it... anybody else see this?

Article cited references to Dept of Homeland Security control of nitro a deciding factor (particially true), but my guess is NHRA threatened to pull their Approved Alternative Sanction Status if they proceded.
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Old 06-13-2017, 10:21 PM   #50
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Bob Harris was talking about it on the Lee Show earlier. It was NHRA/Homeland security issue apparently. But sounded like a bunch of bullshit to me. Said something about only being allowed at 24 events per homeland security, but nitro is run at divisional events in the injected nitro cars, the nostalgia classes, and the motorcycles, and well a whole bunch of other places.
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I was impressed with what Harris said about their efforts to fully abide by their sanctioning requirements in order to adhere to their desire for PDRA to truly be considered a professional organization. He did say they may continue to pursue it but I would bet money that NHRA will never allow nitro in a door car on any sanctioned property. Since all PDRA events are at NHRA sanctioned tracks, I think PDRA will settle on the fact that being sanctioned is more important to them than nitro. With several tracks leaving IHRA and IHRA's unwillingness at this time to host a professional series of any kind, you can see the writing on the wall here.
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True.

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Bob Harris was talking about it on the Lee Show earlier. It was NHRA/Homeland security issue apparently. But sounded like a bunch of bullshit to me. Said something about only being allowed at 24 events per homeland security, but nitro is run at divisional events in the injected nitro cars, the nostalgia classes, and the motorcycles, and well a whole bunch of other places.
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After we hear that 50% is above the limit, where costs of parts damage increase drastically, maybe one should set the limit to 20%?

Or is this rule only for bringing roots into the game, actually adding some already existign cars? - Then perhaps assign this rule only to roots type blowers?

Generally i fail to understand why 50% nitro should help a class, which already see less cars due to too much costs. Because if too much costs is the reason of shrinking car counts in P/X, maybe it's better to stick with alc?
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After we hear that 50% is above the limit, where costs of parts damage increase drastically, maybe one should set the limit to 20%?

Or is this rule only for bringing roots into the game, actually adding some already existign cars? - Then perhaps assign this rule only to roots type blowers?

Generally i fail to understand why 50% nitro should help a class, which already see less cars due to too much costs. Because if too much costs is the reason of shrinking car counts in P/X, maybe it's better to stick with alc?
Would need to be 80% plus to be effective
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At what % do you need dual mags? Or when do they need 2 fuel pumps?
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PDRA, No NITRO for 2017
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:06 AM   #57
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You can run 20 to 30 % single mag 21 GPM pump A cool set up would be a top fuel tune up from the late 90's early 2000's 2 mags 95% nitro 60 GPM pump some of the big teams back in the day went well over 100 runs with out a major oil down.It would still need a large experienced crew to service it every round but it would be a cool car to watch
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I think a Nostalgia type set up, maybe a 23-25 gallon deal with a single 44 mag might make Pro Boost power.

There are no cooler sounding cars in the world than a Nostalgia engine with that old school pop and cackle
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Didn't nitro coupe do pretty well? Was that not 20-30%? I know Oddy told me the parts carnage was pretty high and some of the parts well you couldn't recognize them after blowing them up. Nitro i sp[hard to light off if I understand it correctly being its 1 part oxygen 1 part fuel has to be compressed?
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