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Old 03-26-2014, 01:28 PM   #1
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Default EPA PROPOSES HUGE LAND GRAB

The Environmental Protection Agency has come up with a way to execute one of the biggest land grabs by the federal government ever perpetrated on the American public. On Tuesday, the EPA proposed a change to the Clean Water Act so that the EPA would have the power to regulate temporary wetlands and waterways.
The land grab engendered tremendous concern from members of the GOP trying to protect private property; they noted that the EPA would gain power over seasonal ponds, streams and ditches.
Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, the top Republican on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, charged, "The ... rule may be one of the most significant private property grabs in U.S. history." He stated that the EPA was "picking and choosing" its science while trying to "take another step toward outright permitting authority over virtually any wet area in the country." Vitter also noted that if the EPA gets its way, more environmental groups could sue private property owners.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, was also furious, saying that the EPA grab "could result in serious collateral damage to our economy … [I]t appears that the EPA is seeking to dramatically expand its jurisdictional reach under the Clean Water Act." She added of her home state, "If EPA is not careful, this rule could effectively give the federal government control of nearly all of our state -- and prove to be a showstopper for both traditional access and new development."
The EPA proposal to more widely implement pollution regulations would affect “intermittent and ephemeral streams and wetlands” whose water comes from wet seasons or rains but are temporary.
The crux of the matter is what defines the "waters of the United States." The Supreme Court has ruled that the federal government could only touch waters that are "relatively" permanent or continuously flowing and large, such as "oceans, rivers, streams and lakes." The EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers defended the new rules by asserting on Tuesday that determining Clean Water Act protection had become "confusing and complex." The agencies jointly stated, “For nearly a decade, members of Congress, state and local officials, industry, agriculture, environmental groups, and the public asked for a rulemaking to provide clarity." The agencies also insisted that the waters newly targeted "form the foundation of the nation's water resources" and protested that the federal government would not truly be extending their reach.
EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy stated, "To be clear, our proposal does not add to or expand the scope of the waters historically protected under the Clean Water Act." The EPA also asserted that roughly 60 percent of American "stream miles" may only flow seasonally or flow after a significant rain, but those “stream miles” do have a "considerable impact" on downstream waters. The EPA noted that roughly 117 million Americans, drink water that comes from such streams.
The EPA proposal now faces a 90-day comment period; federal officials have pontificated that they will consult the public about their reaction to the proposed changes before they “shape a final rule."
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:31 PM   #2
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It's already fucked up, I can't see how it can get worse.

I have a friend with a thorny bush in his yard, he's not allowed to remove it. He has small kids.

I can give example after example of stupid shit like this, it's out of control now.
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:58 PM   #3
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One of the council men in one of the more southerly counties of NJ made a statement not long ago that there are like 157 different enviromental groups besides the over bearing State versions of the DEP EPA and the NJ Pinelands commision we have here NJ. They are all over bearing and way to powerful already. WTF
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:48 PM   #4
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Haz Waste is almost gone!

Air is on the run!

And now, the last frontier, WATER!!

And the only way to fight this crap is to change the Clean Air Act of 1970 all the way up through 1990.

Know all about this stuff after almost 14 years in MoDNR/APCP.

Looking back, what we now have is why we broke away from England way back then SO figure this st*t out!!

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Old 03-26-2014, 04:48 PM   #5
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With the broad wording/lack of defining, it can/will include any standing water anywhere in the country. This is merely the ground work for water tax that will be along in given time (and of course the "We'll take if we want it").

Your well? Not anymore.
Your sistern? Not anymore.
You're nice stocked pond? Not anymore.
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I already pay a "rain tax"........
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Obama is using government agencies as the henchmen for the leftist agenda.
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Obama is using government agencies as the henchmen for the leftist agenda.
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Obama is using government agencies as the henchmen for the leftist agenda.
It's not Obama.
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It's already fucked up, I can't see how it can get worse.

I have a friend with a thorny bush in his yard, he's not allowed to remove it. He has small kids.

I can give example after example of stupid shit like this, it's out of control now.
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Where exactly is the EPA based? Where do they get their money from? Who approves their funding and goals?
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Where exactly is the EPA based? Where do they get their money from? Who approves their funding and goals?


This is mostly determined by political appointments made by the administration in power.
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This is mostly determined by political appointments made by the administration in power.
This dovetails with a remark made in another thread concerning Dear Leader's alleged plan to pass the EPA off to the UN........if that comes to pass, the NWO will control a hefty piece of our country.
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This dovetails with a remark made in another thread concerning Dear Leader's alleged plan to pass the EPA off to the UN........if that comes to pass, the NWO will control a hefty piece of our country.
EPA has always been the UN. We will see it "officially" passed on to them- probably by Obama before he leaves office. Ever check out the UN Agenda 21 Plan for Sustainable Development ?
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EPA has always been the UN. We will see it "officially" passed on to them- probably by Obama before he leaves office. Ever check out the UN Agenda 21 Plan for Sustainable Development ?
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