2009 Preliminary Real Street Rules (listed here)

[Jason Miller]

Here is where we are at guys... Switching the race to the 1/8 mile with the following rules and combos below. Put any input in this thread for consideration. I will have the 2009 Vitale Motorsports Real Street rules finalized by December 1st. So please put all suggestions in this thread if different than what I have posted here.



2009 Vitale Motorsports Real Street Program

FORMAT: This is an eighth-mile heads-up class run on a .400 pro tree with a pro ladder. Real Street is a qualified quick 8 field. There will also be another class called “Real Street Shootout” for qualifiers #9-16, and it will be run on a pro ladder. This allows non-qualifiers to compete for additional points and a place to race.

Body: The car must retain its original appearance and profiles. Aftermarket fiberglass replacement panels are limited to hood, decklids, and bumpers only (Small block nitrous cars only are permitted to use aftermarket front fenders and doors as long as they are stock appearing with stock appearing door handles). No removable front ends. Ground effects are legal as long as they are offered through the dealership: Saleen Mustangs, Calloway Corvettes, Firebird Firehawks, etc.

Wings: Aftermarket wings and spoilers are permitted.

Bumpers: Complete stock appearing front and rear bumpers are required. Fiberglass bumpers are permitted.

Hood: Cowl hoods are limited to a rear-opening configuration only. No height limit on cowl hoods. A legal hood must cover the entire induction system. OEM forward facing scoops consistent with vehicle model are acceptable, but must retain exact dimensions of factory opening, after opening hood may be swelled or increase cowl to any height.

Interior: Factory appearing aftermarket dashboard, headliner, upholstered door panels, and driver seat is required. Aftermarket steering column is permitted. Full Carpeting is required. No bare paneling permitted. No grace period, this rule is strictly enforced.

Lettering: Decals may be displayed anywhere on vehicle.

Windshield/Windows: OEM glass windshield and windows are preferred. Lexan windshield and windows are permitted, but must be clean and professionally done.

Chassis: Complete stock chassis, frame rails, core support, and cross members must be retained. Aftermarket, direct fit bolt-on replacement K-member allowed. Back-halved cars are not permitted. Mini tubs only are allowed, but must be completely upholstered. Rear frame may be notched for tire clearance only with no penalty.

Engine: Small block or big block engines allowed. Must use a factory production height block. Cast iron or aluminum engine block material is permitted. Chevrolet big blocks using Chevrolet, Pontiac, and Big Chief heads must have a maximum deck height of 10.200. Ford big blocks using Ford and Profiler heads must have a maximum deck height of 10.300. Chrysler big blocks using original Hemi, RB heads, and Indy cylinder heads must have a maximum deck height of 10.720. Any deck height permitted on all small blocks.

Turbochargers: Any type intercooler is permitted. Turbochargers are measured at the inducer wheel diameter at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the inlet housing. All turbocharged cars must be able to remove bodywork to allow turbo size to be checked. Nitrous oxide can be combined on 2-rotor, 4-cylinder, and 6-cylinder cars turbocharged cars only.

Superchargers: Any type intercooler is permitted. Cog belts or gear driven superchargers are permitted.

Nitrous oxide: Any type multi-stage nitrous system is permitted.

Transmission: Any automatic transmission allowed. No clutchless manuals allowed. No lencos or jeffcos allowed. No lencos/torque converter combinations allowed. No electric shifters or air shifters allowed.

Induction: Carburetors are limited to a single 4-barrel (small block nitrous cars only are permitted to run two 4-barrell carburetors). Split carburetors are not allowed. Fuel injection must be electronic. Manifolds must be commercially available cast manifold with no welding or other external modifications that alter the size or shape of the plenum, runners or ports. Only bolt-on carb spacer plates allowed. Nitrous small block cars, 4-cylinder, and 6-cylinder cars are permitted to use sheet metal intakes.

Ram air: Any aftermarket or fabricated ram-air unit is allowed. Cannot be visible from exterior. Turbo cars are permitted to have an opening in hood or front bumper for air inlet, but scoops are not permitted.

Oiling system: Front cross member may be altered for oil pan removal. Dry sumps are permitted on all cars.

Exhaust: All entries are allowed to use tubular headers. The headers must be connected to a working exhaust system with mufflers. Exhaust pipe OD is unlimited and it must extend beyond the leading edge of the driver’s seat with exhaust directed to the side by means of a turn down. Mufflers are not required on turbo cars.

Street legal equipment: All vehicles must have a license plate (does not need to be valid or registered). Functional headlights, taillights and brake lights required. All headlights, brake lights, marker lights, etc must be on car and not removed for any reason. Windshield wipers are not required. Gasoline only allowed. All vehicles must be driven to the staging lanes, but may be towed back from their passes.

Suspension: Stock style suspension cars only allowed. Aftermarket direct replacement components such as: front control arms, rear control arms, front coil over shocks, rear coil over shocks, a-arms, and polyurethane bushings are permitted. Aftermarket heims may be used on control arms and a-arms. Aftermarket rack and pinion steering allowed. Bolt on traction devices only allowed. Weld on sub-frame connectors and rear sway bars are permitted. Leaf Springs and shocks may be moved to accommodate tire clearance only. Four links and ladder bars are prohibited. Wheelie bars are permitted on nitrous small block cars only.

TIRES: All slicks and radial tires will be checked by sidewall designation.




Nitrous Big Block
Any type nitrous system (Any size radial tire) 3300 lbs

Supercharged Big Block
F1, X trim, or XX trim supercharger (Any size radial tire) 3000 lbs
Any version F2 supercharger (Any size radial tire) 3300 lbs
Any version F3 supercharger (Any size radial tire) 3400 lbs

Supercharged Small Block
F1, X trim, or XX trim supercharger (Any size radial tire) 2900 lbs
Any version F2 supercharger (Any size radial tire) 3150 lbs
Any version F3 supercharger (Any size radial tire) 3250 lbs
Twin F1, X trim, or XX trim supercharger (Any size radial tire) 3350 lbs

Turbocharged Big Block
Any size single turbocharger (Any size radial tire) 3300 lbs
Any size twin turbochargers (Any size radial tire) 3400 lbs

Turbocharged Small Block
Any size single turbocharger (Any size radial tire) 3200 lbs
Any size twin turbochargers (Any size radial tire) 3300 lbs

Turbocharged 10-cylinder
Any size twin turbochargers (Any size radial tire) 3500 lbs

Nitrous Small Block
Any type nitrous system (Any size radial tire or 30” x 10.5” slick) 2700 lbs

Turbocharged 6-cylinder
Any size single turbocharger with nitrous (Any size radial tire or 30” x 10.5” slick) 2900 lbs
Any size twin turbochargers with nitrous (Any size radial tire or 30” x 10.5” slick) 3000 lbs

Turbocharged 4-cylinder
Any size single turbocharger with nitrous (Any size radial tire or 30” x 10.5” slick) 2200 lbs

Turbocharged 2-rotor
Any size single turbocharger with nitrous (Any size radial tire or 30” x 10.5” slick) 2300 lbs

[Viper TT]

I am still questioning the Big Block Twin Turbo weight and why it is listed at 3400lbs vs the V10 Twin Turbo at 3500lbs? Previous debates have been to where many are considering the V10 to be equal to a Big Block.

FYI, a Big Block can easily be built in excess of 600ci. The Gen II V10 is 488ci factory and I have a 575ci V10 which is maxed out on bore size and stroke.

[Jason Miller]

Maybe we should consider bringing the V10 weight down to 3400lbs.

[Viper TT]

That's your call, but I would think they would be weighted similar.

Although you know my car will never be 3400lbs! :D

[Viper TT]

I will miss 1/4 mile at MIR. :smt089

[REDROCKET RANDY]

I think the rules look good other then sal should be the same as the big block and twins.

[cgz648]

Why is the BB limited to a 10.200 deck height??? You could now run a 600 plus cubic inch BB with twin 91mm turbos or bigger if you wanted? Change that deck height rule Jason, at least for Nitrous BB

[Jason Miller]

The World Cup Finals will still be 1/4 mile! :)

[Viper TT]

The World Cup Finals will still be 1/4 mile! :)

Maybe we should poll it? I'll start a poll.

[95mmRenegade]

I am trying to get my car buttoned up for next year, I need clarification on these points to finish up my winter projects. How tough are the rules going to be enforced, Are cars going to be DQ'd if they don't fit?

1) Sheetmetal intakes on all combos
2) 50% of the cars don't have factory core supports
3) Exhaust - 75% of the turbo cars do not have an exhaust that extends to the front of the driver seats
4) Towing - OK to line AND back to pits
5) Wolfe Ladder Bar/traction bar is a weld in piece - Rules state BOLT IN ONLY

Going 1/8 mile is a nice choice, I think some of the 275 guys can throw a set of 295s or 315s on a run in the field.

[Fastmover]

Jason, How about 1/4 mile for the special events IE WOW III, SC Showdown, Pro Stock open? I think it would be a great treat for the crowds to see some low 7s and 200+ at these events!

PS also for 2010 rules, SB SC (twin screw off serpertine drive) +single stage NOS.

[C Little]

the second quick 8 should have a 1 tenth break out of the fastest qualifying time.

[Jason Miller]

I cant afford to add the Real Street purse to Superhcharger Showdown, Pro Stock Open, etc.. those shows already cost us a ton of purse money.

Jason, How about 1/4 mile for the special events IE WOW III, SC Showdown, Pro Stock open? I think it would be a great treat for the crowds to see some low 7s and 200+ at these events!

PS also for 2010 rules, SB SC (twin screw off serpertine drive) +single stage NOS.

[Jason Miller]

sheet metal intakes are only allowed on 4cyl, 6cyl, and small block nos cars only.
we have been very relaxed on core support issues because most have to clearance them so much for turbos, superchargers and dry sumps.
turbo cars do not need exhaust, dump it where you can.
towing is ok back to pits but not to staging lanes
"Weld on sub-frame connectors and rear sway bars are permitted." That is only part that can be welded in and ladder bars are not permitted.

I am trying to get my car buttoned up for next year, I need clarification on these points to finish up my winter projects. How tough are the rules going to be enforced, Are cars going to be DQ'd if they don't fit?

1) Sheetmetal intakes on all combos
2) 50% of the cars don't have factory core supports
3) Exhaust - 75% of the turbo cars do not have an exhaust that extends to the front of the driver seats
4) Towing - OK to line AND back to pits
5) Wolfe Ladder Bar/traction bar is a weld in piece - Rules state BOLT IN ONLY

Going 1/8 mile is a nice choice, I think some of the 275 guys can throw a set of 295s or 315s on a run in the field.

[Jason Miller]

Maybe we should poll it? I'll start a poll.

I wont take my biggest event of the year and put in 1/8 mile. The Shakedown, Orlando, and World Cup will be the end of the year big 1/4 mile races.

[C Little]

I cant afford to add the Real Street purse to Superhcharger Showdown, Pro Stock Open, etc.. those shows already cost us a ton of purse money.
YOU MUST SPEND MONET TO MAKE MONEY R\S would be the headliner snack lines would be full during the rest of the show.

[C Little]

sheet metal intakes are only allowed on 4cyl, 6cyl, and small block nos cars only.
we have been very relaxed on core support issues because most have to clearance them so much for turbos, superchargers and dry sumps.
turbo cars do not need exhaust, dump it where you can.
towing is ok back to pits but not to staging lanes
"Weld on sub-frame connectors and rear sway bars are permitted." That is only part that can be welded in and ladder bars are not permitted.

Guess that counts us out. Who gives a fuck if you tow your car to the lanes. You should just have a 5 mile tour to make it look like we have street cars.

PS C ya @ cecil 2 times a month True 10.5 and ODR 1st and 3rd Sat of the month

[Viper TT]

I wont take my biggest event of the year and put in 1/8 mile. The Shakedown, Orlando, and World Cup will be the end of the year big 1/4 mile races.

I didn't mean poll World Cup Finals, I am talking about polling Real Street for 2009.

[Viper TT]

sheet metal intakes are only allowed on 4cyl, 6cyl, and small block nos cars only.
we have been very relaxed on core support issues because most have to clearance them so much for turbos, superchargers and dry sumps.
turbo cars do not need exhaust, dump it where you can.
towing is ok back to pits but not to staging lanes
"Weld on sub-frame connectors and rear sway bars are permitted." That is only part that can be welded in and ladder bars are not permitted.


I completely missed the Sheet Metal Intake rule. I run a Hogan sheet metal intake. That rule takes me out because I'm not running a stock intake manifold.

[Fastmover]

Jason, How about 1/4 mile for the special events IE WOW III, SC Showdown, Pro Stock open? I think it would be a great treat for the crowds to see some low 7s and 200+ at these events!

PS also for 2010 rules, SB SC (twin screw off serpertine drive) +single stage NOS.

I though they appeared at these events last year?

[95mmRenegade]

I completely missed the Sheet Metal Intake rule. I run a Hogan sheet metal intake. That rule takes me out because I'm not running a stock intake manifold.

Sounds like we need to ditch the sheetmetal intake manifold rule. All in favor say I. We also need to work on the towing to lane rule.

[Viper TT]

Sounds like we need to ditch the sheetmetal intake manifold rule. All in favor say I. We also need to work on the towing to lane rule.

I'll second that motion! :-D

[Jason Miller]

I guess we will have to drop the tow rule altogether as well as the sheetmetal intake rule.

[Jason Miller]

Are racers going to be asking for 4 links, wheelie bars, 10.5W tires next? When does it end?

[Viper TT]

Are racers going to be asking for 4 links, wheelie bars, 10.5W tires next? When does it end?

Possibly, but I think we can agree that it doesn't get any more "Real Street" than my car. ;)

[Viper TT]

I guess we will have to drop the tow rule altogether as well as the sheetmetal intake rule.

My choices are more than limited. Not saying that is your problem because I chose the platform to build.

If the sheet metal intake rule is something you feel will ruin the class, don't change it for just my case. While I will not be able to race Real Street, it is what it is.

[Tornado91]

Jason, Wanted to know if you would consider alcohol. I hear that Q16 makes just as much power or more than alcohol.

[95mmRenegade]

If its 1/8 mile racing, towing or sheetmetal intakes don't mean shit. My 438" Lsx and 598" Brodix BBC both have sheetmetal intakes. Its not about power but airflow distribution to let the motor live.

[95mmRenegade]

Are racers going to be asking for 4 links, wheelie bars, 10.5W tires next? When does it end?

Well we were going to bring a 2nd car for real street. Shawn and I will be running 2 cars next year, I hope it doesn't stir it up too much. Are fiberglass fronts ok? Its a 670" BBC with twin Pro-mod 91s.

[Jesse Lambert]

Damn, I guess if we are going to let everyone have what ever they want, we might as well just put radials on the Red Camaro and call it a day!

[Viper TT]

Human nature. Give an inch, take a mile.

[turboalex]

1/8 mile ......damn :(

[95mmRenegade]

1/8 mile ......damn :(

Are you serious your car hauls the mail in the 1/8?????

[CoRuPtINC]

Are you serious your car hauls the mail in the 1/8?????


Ya it will ....but its still nice to have a 1/4 mile race at a killer track

[95mmRenegade]

I am really excited about running a full season next year and alot of people have asked why do I bitch about the rules. My biggest beef is the enforcement and not changing rules as we go. One thing that struck a nerve was changing the tow back rule mid season after a couple turbo cars couldn't refire on the big end.

We found out in testing that a Q16 fuel/mechanical fuel pump didn't like hot starts. We also found the trans temps were very high after a full pass when we were on the converter too long in the box. There were 2 options to fix the problem, towing the car back to the pits or to insulate the fuel lines/add an additional tranny cooler. Since towing was not legal at the time we spent the $500 to insulate the lines and add an additional cooler. I can't speak for anyone else on the board but I know I don't have $500 in disposable money. Looking back to my build I can easily say I spent $2000 trying to make the car "legal" when at the end of the day those items were never tech'd and the money was pissed away to in an effort to fit into the rules. I certainly hope you guys can understand my fustration.

[C Little]

I am really excited about running a full season next year and alot of people have asked why do I bitch about the rules. My biggest beef is the enforcement and not changing rules as we go. One thing that struck a nerve was changing the tow back rule mid season after a couple turbo cars couldn't refire on the big end.

We found out in testing that a Q16 fuel/mechanical fuel pump didn't like hot starts. We also found the trans temps were very high after a full pass when we were on the converter too long in the box. There were 2 options to fix the problem, towing the car back to the pits or to insulate the fuel lines/add an additional tranny cooler. Since towing was not legal at the time we spent the $500 to insulate the lines and add an additional cooler. I can't speak for anyone else on the board but I know I don't have $500 in disposable money. Looking back to my build I can easily say I spent $2000 trying to make the car "legal" when at the end of the day those items were never tech'd and the money was pissed away to in an effort to fit into the rules. I certainly hope you guys can understand my fustration.
If you dony have 500 to waste you better get out of heads up drag racing. If you want such enforcement and so many rules go race NMRA. If you dont like the tow back then drive it back. Talley how much fuel @ 10$ plus a gallon you waste driving to the lanes and back fron a pass. X tra 3\4 of a gallon x the number of rounds equals alot more then 500$

[turboalex]

If you dony have 500 to waste you better get out of heads up drag racing. If you want such enforcement and so many rules go race NMRA. If you dont like the tow back then drive it back. Talley how much fuel @ 10$ plus a gallon you waste driving to the lanes and back fron a pass. X tra 3\4 of a gallon x the number of rounds equals alot more then 500$


Very True

[5ohhh]

the only thing street about these cars was that everyone had to drive to and from the lanes. I understand nobody wanting to drive back so they can check plugs and not have to mess with hot starts but damn you cant drive 700 ft from the pits to the lanes? Half of the time real street is called to the lanes and its 30 minutes later before anyone moves soim sure towing everyone up is going to speed up the process even more right?

Im assuming if sheet metal intakes are allowed that goes for nitrous cars too. So lets tell Richie, Scott and all the nitrous guys now that they have to take there legal intakes that they have 3-4000 dollars in porting and fogger work into that they have to throw them in the corner because sheet metals are allowed.

What was wrong with last years rules? Everyone complains about a disadvantage when a Turbo Car had the fastest E.T.'s and a Nitrous car won the Championship. Sounds like parity to me.

The only thing I think should be changed is the no forward facing scoop rule. These 9-10 inch cowl hoods are impossible to see over and driving through the pits is very tricky. After all, the turbo cars are allowed to have open inlets to the impeller so its not like its some big advantage for the NOS cars.

Jason the class kicked ass last year it was an awesome show to watch and we will be there regardless of the rules. The guys that really need to have input are Stine, Vrettos, Bitzer, Marlow, Buckler, Lambert, Patel etc. the ones who support your race and will always be there. Not people who are gonna complain all winter about rule changes and then not show up anyways come May.

[Jesse Lambert]

the only thing street about these cars was that everyone had to drive to and from the lanes. I understand nobody wanting to drive back so they can check plugs and not have to mess with hot starts but damn you cant drive 700 ft from the pits to the lanes? Half of the time real street is called to the lanes and its 30 minutes later before anyone moves soim sure towing everyone up is going to speed up the process even more right?

Im assuming if sheet metal intakes are allowed that goes for nitrous cars too. So lets tell Richie, Scott and all the nitrous guys now that they have to take there legal intakes that they have 3-4000 dollars in porting and fogger work into that they have to throw them in the corner because sheet metals are allowed.

What was wrong with last years rules? Everyone complains about a disadvantage when a Turbo Car had the fastest E.T.'s and a Nitrous car won the Championship. Sounds like parity to me.

The only thing I think should be changed is the no forward facing scoop rule. These 9-10 inch cowl hoods are impossible to see over and driving through the pits is very tricky. After all, the turbo cars are allowed to have open inlets to the impeller so its not like its some big advantage for the NOS cars.

Jason the class kicked ass last year it was an awesome show to watch and we will be there regardless of the rules. The guys that really need to have input are Stine, Vrettos, Bitzer, Marlow, Buckler, Lambert, Patel etc. the ones who support your race and will always be there. Not people who are gonna complain all winter about rule changes and then not show up anyways come May.

X10000000

[turboalex]

the only thing street about these cars was that everyone had to drive to and from the lanes. I understand nobody wanting to drive back so they can check plugs and not have to mess with hot starts but damn you cant drive 700 ft from the pits to the lanes? Half of the time real street is called to the lanes and its 30 minutes later before anyone moves soim sure towing everyone up is going to speed up the process even more right?

Im assuming if sheet metal intakes are allowed that goes for nitrous cars too. So lets tell Richie, Scott and all the nitrous guys now that they have to take there legal intakes that they have 3-4000 dollars in porting and fogger work into that they have to throw them in the corner because sheet metals are allowed.

What was wrong with last years rules? Everyone complains about a disadvantage when a Turbo Car had the fastest E.T.'s and a Nitrous car won the Championship. Sounds like parity to me.

The only thing I think should be changed is the no forward facing scoop rule. These 9-10 inch cowl hoods are impossible to see over and driving through the pits is very tricky. After all, the turbo cars are allowed to have open inlets to the impeller so its not like its some big advantage for the NOS cars.

Jason the class kicked ass last year it was an awesome show to watch and we will be there regardless of the rules. The guys that really need to have input are Stine, Vrettos, Bitzer, Marlow, Buckler, Lambert, Patel etc. the ones who support your race and will always be there. Not people who are gonna complain all winter about rule changes and then not show up anyways come May.


X1000 I agree

[Viper TT]

the only thing street about these cars was that everyone had to drive to and from the lanes. I understand nobody wanting to drive back so they can check plugs and not have to mess with hot starts but damn you cant drive 700 ft from the pits to the lanes? Half of the time real street is called to the lanes and its 30 minutes later before anyone moves soim sure towing everyone up is going to speed up the process even more right?

Im assuming if sheet metal intakes are allowed that goes for nitrous cars too. So lets tell Richie, Scott and all the nitrous guys now that they have to take there legal intakes that they have 3-4000 dollars in porting and fogger work into that they have to throw them in the corner because sheet metals are allowed.

What was wrong with last years rules? Everyone complains about a disadvantage when a Turbo Car had the fastest E.T.'s and a Nitrous car won the Championship. Sounds like parity to me.

The only thing I think should be changed is the no forward facing scoop rule. These 9-10 inch cowl hoods are impossible to see over and driving through the pits is very tricky. After all, the turbo cars are allowed to have open inlets to the impeller so its not like its some big advantage for the NOS cars.

Jason the class kicked ass last year it was an awesome show to watch and we will be there regardless of the rules. The guys that really need to have input are Stine, Vrettos, Bitzer, Marlow, Buckler, Lambert, Patel etc. the ones who support your race and will always be there. Not people who are gonna complain all winter about rule changes and then not show up anyways come May.

:smt023 Except for the sheet metal intake thought for obvious selfish reasons! :p In my case, I can either run the factory intake manifold or a sheet metal. The factory intake will not work for my application, so I only have one choice and that is a sheet metal intake manifold.

[DaveHanlon]

Glad to see the old "frame rail notched for tire clearance only" rule is still in there......

[al-marlow]

the only thing street about these cars was that everyone had to drive to and from the lanes. I understand nobody wanting to drive back so they can check plugs and not have to mess with hot starts but damn you cant drive 700 ft from the pits to the lanes? Half of the time real street is called to the lanes and its 30 minutes later before anyone moves soim sure towing everyone up is going to speed up the process even more right?

Im assuming if sheet metal intakes are allowed that goes for nitrous cars too. So lets tell Richie, Scott and all the nitrous guys now that they have to take there legal intakes that they have 3-4000 dollars in porting and fogger work into that they have to throw them in the corner because sheet metals are allowed.

What was wrong with last years rules? Everyone complains about a disadvantage when a Turbo Car had the fastest E.T.'s and a Nitrous car won the Championship. Sounds like parity to me.

The only thing I think should be changed is the no forward facing scoop rule. These 9-10 inch cowl hoods are impossible to see over and driving through the pits is very tricky. After all, the turbo cars are allowed to have open inlets to the impeller so its not like its some big advantage for the NOS cars.

Jason the class kicked ass last year it was an awesome show to watch and we will be there regardless of the rules. The guys that really need to have input are Stine, Vrettos, Bitzer, Marlow, Buckler, Lambert, Patel etc. the ones who support your race and will always be there. Not people who are gonna complain all winter about rule changes and then not show up anyways come May.
x999,999,999,999,999,999,999 :D

[turboalex]

Thats kinda funny that the main people who race in the class want the rules to stay the same :-D

[Jesse Lambert]

I agree that I like the rules from last year, but I also agree that the 1/8 does bring parity.

[turboalex]

x999,999,999,999,999,999,999 :D


Hey Al shouldnt that be
x666 666 666 666 666 666 :smt077

[Novalicious]

How is it that you can run ANY size twins on a BBC but not twin carbs.......makes absolutley NO sense..... What's the difference. You are limiting the deck heights to keep BIG prostock type motors out, but who cares if a bbc has a sheetmetal and 2 carbs when twins are ok no matter what size and they(turbos) can have a NON factory hole cut in the hood or bumper, but NOS can't have a foward facing scoop. So if I cut a hole in the hood to create a ram air type set up, that is ok?

And for the record, I am nos, sheet metal,twin carb and 3600lbs. Just sounds like a bunch of crap.

[TRAVIS417]

THE RACIN WAS GREAT LAST YEAR KEEP THE RULES THE SAME AND RACE AND KEEP IT 1/4 MILE

[Jesse Lambert]

You gonna bring that Nova out this year?

[Novalicious]

You gonna bring that Nova out this year?

I can't bring it to MIR Sheet metal 2 carbs, but yes it is almost finished. Hopefully it will run decent, but at under 600 ci it is doubtful, lol.

[BACARTY]

I can't bring it to MIR Sheet metal 2 carbs, but yes it is almost finished. Hopefully it will run decent, but at under 600 ci it is doubtful, lol.

bring the booze and you got a crew chief:)....they aint worried about your nova there worried about that camaro:-D:-D;):-Daw

[Novalicious]

I always bring the booze when I'm not driving, but the rules here don't make much sense, that all.LOL We drank 3 gal.s of captain at Bradenton in 2 nights it was ugly for some. That camaro I was helping with went 7.70 yesterday with thesame tune it had in Bradenton. Can't wait till they turn it up. Either way you see my point.....

[streetking]

i agree with nova i dont see the big advantage to the foward facing scoop...btw my camaro has a carb enclosier not a hood scoop even orsca lets you get away with that,but i talk to jason about the world finals and he said its not how fast my car goes it looks to much like a race car......

[REDROCKET RANDY]

ok jason keep the old rules but let the bb with twins run at 2700lbs and 1/4 mile and that will work for me.:-D:-D

[Big23Daddy]

ok jason keep the old rules but let the bb with twins run at 2700lbs and 1/4 mile and that will work for me.:-D:-D

I agree the start of 1/8 racing will be the beginning of the end of 1/4 racetracks in the North.

The South didn't start 1/8 racing because it was safer, easier on parts or allowed closer racing... they did it becasue thats all they had... I don't even know of 1 safety rule that was made from 1/8 racing.. It's kind of what the worlds seems to be coming to.. When I was coming up, if you didn't make the baseball team, football, basketball, wrestling, track team... you just sucked PERIOD! If you loved that sport enough you worked harder until you made the team... if not it was what it was.. Nowadays we cater to those who wont.. (Not Can't) WONT... and tell those who will to just deal with it... And those who do bring the fans to the race anyway.. Racing was never a cheap mans sport.. thats what bracket racing is for..

This is just my Opinion which I am entitled to...but the truth is the truth..

BD

[Viper TT]

I agree the start of 1/8 racing will be the beginning of the end of 1/4 racetracks in the North.

The South didn't start 1/8 racing because it was safer, easier on parts or allowed closer racing... they did it becasue thats all they had... I don't even know of 1 safety rule that was made from 1/8 racing.. It's kind of what the worlds seems to be coming to.. When I was coming up, if you didn't make the baseball team, football, basketball, wrestling, track team... you just sucked PERIOD! If you loved that sport enough you worked harder until you made the team... if not it was what it was.. Nowadays we cater to those who wont.. (Not Can't) WONT... and tell those who will to just deal with it... And those who do bring the fans to the race anyway.. Racing was never a cheap mans sport.. thats what bracket racing is for..

This is just my Opinion which I am entitled to...but the truth is the truth..

BD

There it is in a nutshell! :smt023

[turboalex]

I agree the start of 1/8 racing will be the beginning of the end of 1/4 racetracks in the North.

The South didn't start 1/8 racing because it was safer, easier on parts or allowed closer racing... they did it becasue thats all they had... I don't even know of 1 safety rule that was made from 1/8 racing.. It's kind of what the worlds seems to be coming to.. When I was coming up, if you didn't make the baseball team, football, basketball, wrestling, track team... you just sucked PERIOD! If you loved that sport enough you worked harder until you made the team... if not it was what it was.. Nowadays we cater to those who wont.. (Not Can't) WONT... and tell those who will to just deal with it... And those who do bring the fans to the race anyway.. Racing was never a cheap mans sport.. thats what bracket racing is for..

This is just my Opinion which I am entitled to...but the truth is the truth..

BD

amen :smt038

[Jason Miller]

All I hear from everyone is how much they love Cecil or Capital's 1/8 mile program. I never hear from anyone to keep the 1/4 mile besides the spectators.

[GrannySShifting]

The guys on the outside looking in want 1/8 mile.

[Viper TT]

All I hear from everyone is how much they love Cecil or Capital's 1/8 mile program. I never hear from anyone to keep the 1/4 mile besides the spectators.

Sucks to be you! :smt082

[GRNMCHN96]

I agree that I like the rules from last year, but I also agree that the 1/8 does bring parity.

I brought a knife to a gun fight last year and I prefer 1/4 mile cause its fun, but i agree 1/8th gives the class a little parity along with a nobody like me a freakn chance.

[cgz648]

Well if 1/8th mile wasn't born to make things more competitive or cheaper on parts or for the safety factor than by all means Jason should keep it 1/4 mile. SFI was introduced to "Police" the safety factor, God Forbid it ever happen but who wants to see a 3400-3500lb car @ 200+ MPH wreck. Either way it doesn't matter to me I just go to help one of the RS racers but everyone has to see it from a Promoters standpoint. Remember all the shit Dave Hance went through with Radial(weights and speeds) leading up to The Shakedown. Just my opinion

[Big23Daddy]

Well if 1/8th mile wasn't born to make things more competitive or cheaper on parts or for the safety factor than by all means Jason should keep it 1/4 mile. SFI was introduced to "Police" the safety factor, God Forbid it ever happen but who wants to see a 3400-3500lb car @ 200+ MPH wreck. Either way it doesn't matter to me I just go to help one of the RS racers but everyone has to see it from a Promoters standpoint. Remember all the shit Dave Hance went through with Radial(weights and speeds) leading up to The Shakedown. Just my opinion

Well 1/8 mile racing never was.. PERIOD.. an the 3400/3500lb 200MPH cars.. thats why 25.2 and 3200 lbs was made..the racers and promoters need to take some responsibility too. The fans pay the bills also..

BD

[Big23Daddy]

I brought a knife to a gun fight last year and I prefer 1/4 mile cause its fun, but i agree 1/8th gives the class a little parity along with a nobody like me a freakn chance.

when Lynch was winning all the 1/4 races.. people cried let's go 1/8 mile racing.. has much changed? He still wins..

Look at the world we are becoming lazy fat people...want to get paid more to do less.

Should we now change the lenght of the football field because we allow our kids to become lazy, and make it 60 yards instead of 100, baseball only 6 innings and only 3 bases..and stealing bases not allowed..

BD

[Fastmover]

I LOVE the 1/4 mile racing, I hate watching half a race. Jason you know the fans want 1/4. I hate to be in your Shoes. Good Luck.


BD. I had a chance to meet you at ATCO, it was cool. However, I am putting you on the spot right now.

How many races are you comming to run at MIR this year? You said you were comming to 1320X and didn't make it. So you are you actually comming to run real street with the rest of the NJ mafia, Courpt, Alex, Jersey Brett?????

[Big23Daddy]

I LOVE the 1/4 mile racing, I hate watching half a race. Jason you know the fans want 1/4. I hate to be in your Shoes. Good Luck.


BD. I had a chance to meet you at ATCO, it was cool. However, I am putting you on the spot right now.

How many races are you comming to run at MIR this year? You said you were comming to 1320X and didn't make it. So you are you actually comming to run real street with the rest of the NJ mafia, Courpt, Alex, Jersey Brett?????

You could never put me on the spot... I carried the class on my shoulders for years.. which started in 1990... It's time for the young guns to take over.. I traveled and raced heads up..for many of years.. Won 17 straight races in a row.. that was from Iowa, canada, to Texas..Florida.. I didn't make the 1320X because the car wasn't done..

To answer your question...All I will say is the car is ready..

BD

[Jesse Lambert]

Hope to see ya there BD. To be the best you have to beat the best!

[Big23Daddy]

All I hear from everyone is how much they love Cecil or Capital's 1/8 mile program. I never hear from anyone to keep the 1/4 mile besides the spectators.

Jason I've known you for a long time.. and you've been around this racing for awhile.. Just remeber what everyone said about the Turbo cars early on.. Turbo cars can't spool so ohh let them race.. Turbo racers solved the problem.. Most turbo cars run 1.35 to 1.26 60ft a few on go 1.20's but most run 1.30 and go 4.80 to 4.90's and go 158 to 160mph to the 1/8... if you force 1/8 mile racing only you will have these same cars.. going 1.15 to 1.20 @ 4.69 to 4.73 @ 165mph then what will we go to.. 1/16 racing.. You know as well as I do that those who want to win will win.. it's in the blood.. 1/2 1/4 1/8 doesn't matter... and that holds true for 1/8 racers.. too. John Kolivas is a born 1/8 mile racer.. converted 1/4 mile racer and the results are the same.. 3 Time NMRA BFG D/R Champion..and only person to run 7's on 325 BFG's in NMRA Trim

BD

[Big23Daddy]

Hope to see ya there BD. To be the best you have to beat the best!

That is true.. I am trying to get back into that racing mentality.. which usually means long nights and days.. being over tired, and spending money...damn I want to sleep more now.. LOL

BD

[CHOIR BOY]

This will be my first year running the class so my opinion probably wont carry much weight but I have supported MIR for serveral years in other classes. I love 1/4 mile racing and would rather see you put restrictions on cars rather than restrict the class to 1/8 mile just my 2 cents

[chrisevans]

Just wondering-what was is the real reason for"maybe"changing to the 1/8th mile deal?
Jason has ALOT of Locals that only run his series & it seemed car counts were always good(14+cars).(When I say local-I mean within a hour travel) as long as most of them knew(Or where comfortable with) they were gonna end up in the "shootout". So it cant be MORE car count?

[turboalex]

Hope to see ya there BD. To be the best you have to beat the best!


I agree it would be nice to have the man the myth the legend racing at MIR next year.

Jason I just dont understand the whole deal ...This was a killer race why change it .....:rolleyes:

[turboalex]

That is true.. I am trying to get back into that racing mentality.. which usually means long nights and days.. being over tired, and spending money...damn I want to sleep more now.. LOL

BD



Shoot ..mentally ....c'mon now you eat breathe and sleep racing just like the rest of us .....that tree comes down ...
YOUR READY :-D

[turboalex]

"Is it up all night like a crack head trying to get a fix or is it we are crack heads for being up all night trying to fix it"

someone told me that once

[Jason Miller]

The main reason why we are looking at possibly changing it is simply because there are no SFI specs.

[outlaw05]

we have two cars here that would run there if it was 1/8 mile, its not that we couldn't run mid 7's but i dont like the thought of crashing at 190 plus. i still say 1/8 mile brings the driver back into the picture.

[Fastmover]

You could never put me on the spot... I carried the class on my shoulders for years.. which started in 1990... It's time for the young guns to take over.. I traveled and raced heads up..for many of years.. Won 17 straight races in a row.. that was from Iowa, canada, to Texas..Florida.. I didn't make the 1320X because the car wasn't done..

To answer your question...All I will say is the car is ready..

BD

Still didn't answer the question. You seem to have allot of input into the rules, It would be good to see you show up and run some events with us.

First I don't run in this class. I was the Announcer for this class at MIR, 1320X, World Cup etc....
As for you, I want to see you at MIR, and I value your comments, just wondered if you were going to make it to some races this year.

[turboalex]

The main reason why we are looking at possibly changing it is simply because there are no SFI specs.


Ok so its basically a safety factor that you are concerned about .....now that i can understand, if you continue to keep the weight rules in effect people are going to have to abide by the chassis specs ...25.5 .2.3 what ever .....

your call bro ...and its gonna be a tough call to make

[Viper TT]

Ok so its basically a safety factor that you are concerned about .....now that i can understand, if you continue to keep the weight rules in effect people are going to have to abide by the chassis specs ...25.5 .2.3 what ever .....

your call bro ...and its gonna be a tough call to make

I guess Jason could start out the season 1/8 mile as he is planning with a "Subject to change" clause just in case the 1/8 mile Real Street program face plants. :confused:

[cgz648]

Jason, you say there are "No SFI specs" you mean for a 3400-3500lb car running low 7's @ 200+???

[Jason Miller]

Jason, you say there are "No SFI specs" you mean for a 3400-3500lb car running low 7's @ 200+???

Thats correct. I dont want to make it a 7.50 index class.

[streetking]

jason you still havent cleared one thing with me and nova he and i both have 2 carbs and foward facing scoops why not let this slide...i dont believe richie stine went any faster with his big hood....

[Big23Daddy]

Still didn't answer the question. You seem to have allot of input into the rules, It would be good to see you show up and run some events with us.

First I don't run in this class. I was the Announcer for this class at MIR, 1320X, World Cup etc....
As for you, I want to see you at MIR, and I value your comments, just wondered if you were going to make it to some races this year.

I did answer your questioned... I said the car is ready...and if it's 1/8 mile the answer is no.. I race 1/4 mile... my car is 25.2 I spent the money and lost the weight to get it there.. I wont sit and watch 1/4 mile tracks start using 1/8 mile for safety reason.. it gives guys a lame excuse not to go the extra mile... but again thats just my opinion.... which doesn't mean shit..

[cgz648]

You obviously have a very competitive car, why didn't you come to Bradenton or Orlando?

[706dragradialnova]

1 / 8 :Party

[Drag Radial]

1/8th mile with 3 or 4 special 1/4mile events for the Big Dawgs to put the numbers up!

[Fastmover]

I did answer your questioned... I said the car is ready...and if it's 1/8 mile the answer is no.. I race 1/4 mile... my car is 25.2 I spent the money and lost the weight to get it there.. I wont sit and watch 1/4 mile tracks start using 1/8 mile for safety reason.. it gives guys a lame excuse not to go the extra mile... but again thats just my opinion.... which doesn't mean shit..
Good I hope we get to see you there. I won't get to see it in person this year, But I know my man Jimmy Bigggs will have the hook up!

[Turbo90gt]

I was wondering why not drop the weights down and you are fine with the 25.2 cage. Just make the BB twins 3175 and go down from there. Thats the way it was at the Shakedown race. Then to keep everyone close just use reducers for turbos or the amount of stages for the n2o guys. I didnt think anyone was complaining that anyone else was that much faster. Everyone knows the fastest qualifier doesnt always win the race. Its your deal though Jason just would be nice to have a place to race 1/4 mile. Also just think about this Jason you had a lot of prestige when the radial record was held at your track. How many people did that draw to your track?

[REDROCKET RANDY]

X2

[Jason Miller]

I really am trying to do whats best for close racing and for the drivers not to have change alot of things.

I know alot of you want 1/4 mile and believe me, no one wants 1/4 mile more than I do. But most cars cannot get below the 3200 lbs and to think that everyone or the majority will be able to get that light and all get 25.2 certs by the time the season starts would be a little naive, not to mention how fast would a BBTT car run at 3175 lbs? I believe at this point that the 1/8 mile would be a better solution. It doesnt mean that it will always stay 1/8 mile.

[Big23Daddy]

You obviously have a very competitive car, why didn't you come to Bradenton or Orlando?

Orlando 3500lbs... wont do.. Brandenton 1/8 miles.. If I travel all the way to bradenton to race... I want to go full throttle 1320 Feet.. and release 2 chutes... I mean shit I have to drive to the end of the track anyway... Why Not at full Throttle..

BD

[Big23Daddy]

I really am trying to do whats best for close racing and for the drivers not to have change alot of things.

I know alot of you want 1/4 mile and believe me, no one wants 1/4 mile more than I do. But most cars cannot get below the 3200 lbs and to think that everyone or the majority will be able to get that light and all get 25.2 certs by the time the season starts would be a little naive, not to mention how fast would a BBTT car run at 3175 lbs? I believe at this point that the 1/8 mile would be a better solution. It doesnt mean that it will always stay 1/8 mile.

Jason with all do respect but I seem to differ from the fact that racers can't get their cars down to 25.2 weights.. I have Twin Turbo's, steel doors, fenders, deck lid, glass windows, intercooler that carries water, and mainly a full steel cars.. the car weighs 2960 without me in the car.. So it's not a question of if they can, but if they will.... and if most 1/4 mile tracks start running all 1/8 races... then I guess they don't have to.

Again just opinion..

BD

[cgz648]

Orlando 3500lbs... wont do.. Brandenton 1/8 miles.. If I travel all the way to bradenton to race... I want to go full throttle 1320 Feet.. and release 2 chutes... I mean shit I have to drive to the end of the track anyway... Why Not at full Throttle..

BD

I guess I understand that, does that mean we won't be seeing you out again until the Shakedown in 09? What did your car weigh at The Shakedown this year?

[Big23Daddy]

I guess I understand that, does that mean we won't be seeing you out again until the Shakedown in 09? What did your car weigh at The Shakedown this year?

3220 with me in it with weight added... two run Orlando I would of had to put 320lbs... just in case their scales are light...

[manyponies]

I agree with BD about not being able to make min weight. My 25.5 car with a blower ,steel doors and OEM glass but no intercooler was under 2900 lbs. WITH my 200#butt in it.
Its a tough call for for the tracks and sanctioning bodies on the weight vs ET issue. We ran into this about two years ago with the NMRA in SSO. They required us to follow SFI but required a min weight that was equal to the max of the SFI spec or we were too fast for the heavier spec. I understand the delima the tracks and sanction bodies are in, In our society we have too many people that want to play but cry foul when things don't go their way or go wrong. We have lawyers getting into everything and I have a feeling that if someome were to get seriously hurt in a car that does no meet SFI criteria fot its ET at a NHRA or IHRA santioned track , we will see the lawyers crying foul here too. I would hate to see our sport spoiled by the law profession. I really don't care if racing is 1/4 or 1/8 mile. The people who work hardest will still be sucessful. I know we sign release forms and think we are responsible for our own actions and saftey, but when the allure of making money from someone elses misfortune is present, we may see more people outside the racing community having srong opinions on the "saftey" of events.
Again, I really don't care if racing is 660' or 1320'.....just as long as we can still race. Whats best for the sport?

[Fastmover]

what is the new 25.3 spec. Weight Vs. ET?

My thinking is that we only had what, 5 cars go sub 7.50s? How many of them were 3300+?

I know you are all pushing the edge, I wonder how many are really pushing the SFI limits. Although 1 is too many!

[Jesse Lambert]

25.3 is supposed to be 6.50 @ up to 3600 lbs I believe

[al-marlow]

x666FordSux::Party

[Novalicious]

My shit was 3540 before the 25.5 upgrade and a 40 lbs lighter driver. I'm screwed, but I can't run MIR right now anyway.

[twinturbo79z28]

Jason with all do respect but I seem to differ from the fact that racers can't get their cars down to 25.2 weights.. I have Twin Turbo's, steel doors, fenders, deck lid, glass windows, intercooler that carries water, and mainly a full steel cars.. the car weighs 2960 without me in the car.. So it's not a question of if they can, but if they will.... and if most 1/4 mile tracks start running all 1/8 races... then I guess they don't have to.

Again just opinion..

BD

BD,you have to realize that you picked probably the lightest car you possibly can to make a DR car from,not everybody else has such a light car to start from,and thank god for that,i sure dont want to see a field of twin turbo fox body mustangs and i'm sure most of the spectators dont either.So it's still not the question of will but it's still the question of can.

[Fastmover]

,i sure dont want to see a field of twin turbo fox body mustangs and i'm sure most of the spectators dont either..

I don't mind!:cool:

[TurboTA87]

,i sure dont want to see a field of twin turbo fox body mustangs .


x1000.. And I like mustangs, just not a whole class of them!!!

[manyponies]

Its not only mustangs that can be made light. I said my 25.5 car was under 2900 # with a 200# driver. It was waaaaay under this weight. It takes work to get them light but it can be done. The 25.3 spec will not be available until at least spring.

[twinturbo79z28]

Its not only mustangs that can be made light. I said my 25.5 car was under 2900 # with a 200# driver. It was waaaaay under this weight. It takes work to get them light but it can be done. The 25.3 spec will not be available until at least spring.

you never said what kind of car you have.I have a 10.5 car with complete glass frt and doors and lexan and have a hard time keeping it at 3000lbs with me in it and keep the car balanced

[Big23Daddy]

BD,you have to realize that you picked probably the lightest car you possibly can to make a DR car from,not everybody else has such a light car to start from,and thank god for that,i sure dont want to see a field of twin turbo fox body mustangs and i'm sure most of the spectators dont either.So it's still not the question of will but it's still the question of can.

There are those that will do whatever is needed to win.. I didn't pick this car because it was lighter... It's just what I have always raced with... If I couldn't get it light enough I would go with glass fenders, doors, brakes, and lexan... as long as the rules allowed it...

We can't blame those who use lighter cars to build racecars when rules or sanctions allow lighter cars, because of those who chose to build heavier cars.. Ford ,Chevy or Dodge,,

[CHOIR BOY]

Well todays Dec 2. will we hear the verdict today? Inquiring minds want to know.

[manyponies]

you never said what kind of car you have.I have a 10.5 car with complete glass frt and doors and lexan and have a hard time keeping it at 3000lbs with me in it and keep the car balanced

Its a mustang , but at our weight with a blower we would have to add weight to run the 275 n/a. I had to add 420# last year to make 3100#. It takes alot of work, but what doesn't.:)

[95mmRenegade]

I know Jason has said that the SFI specs are important and safety is a very important item that can't be overlooked. Having seen Milan, as well as a couple other tracks, DQ guys for going faster than the certification and Shakedown set weights that allow racers to be legal. Could NHRA/SFI or IHRA/SFI set out penalties to the racers or track owners? Hopefully the new chassis spec will solve any problems of ET/Weight.

I remember talking to Kurt Urban from Michigan and they had a car that went faster than 7.50s(25.5 cert) and *supposedly* Milan told him that if he went below 7.50s on a 2nd pass he would not be welcome back to the track without the proper SFI certification.

[Jesse Lambert]

Then if he is worried about the spec's, enforce them. If he is worried about it and wants to run 1/4 mile then do like many others are and reconsider the weights. That doesnt make sense to me. How are you worried about racers and safety yet require someone to be 3400-3500+ lbs?

[heavy duty]

Then if he is worried about the spec's, enforce them. If he is worried about it and wants to run 1/4 mile then do like many others are and reconsider the weights. That doesnt make sense to me. How are you worried about racers and safety yet require someone to be 3400-3500+ lbs?
Good point

[95mmRenegade]

Then if he is worried about the spec's, enforce them. If he is worried about it and wants to run 1/4 mile then do like many others are and reconsider the weights. That doesnt make sense to me. How are you worried about racers and safety yet require someone to be 3400-3500+ lbs?

I was wondering more about SFI/IHRA deal. I've heard about a few tracks flat out tell you you go faster than your spec, your going home. Is a track like Milan worried SFI/IHRA would pull their license? Cause we don't need that shit happening.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

I think everyone should let royce and jason miller take care of it.It's there track and there tech. if they see a problem they will take care of it.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Phil you should ask jason for a weight break because you run always are running on only 7 cyl. lol aleast that what you say.:-D:-D:-D

[95mmRenegade]

I don't need a weight break, I'll take the same weight as the small block single turbo 106mm setups.

[turboalex]

<----Wolfe torque arm for sale $$$$ .....buy it and you can run 7.30s@200+ need $ to pay for my new pro-mod :-D

[REDROCKET RANDY]

I think there should be a 100lbs weight break for any car older then a 1980. :-D

[Viper TT]

I think yellow cars should have to run in reverse! :partyman:

[Jesse Lambert]

Just keep on worrying about the yellow one!

[Jason Miller]

Getting ready to post the rules here in a few minutes guys on www.mirdrag.com

[Paulie9fingers]

... Jason are they changing from what's on here ?

[Viper TT]

Getting ready to post the rules here in a few minutes guys on www.mirdrag.com (http://www.mirdrag.com)

May the force be with you! :p

[turboalex]

I think yellow cars should have to run in reverse! :partyman:


I think all Vipers should run with power steering and AC .....uh wait :-damnitnever mind :-D

[Jason Miller]

Yes in some areas. It will be 1/8 Mile though.

... Jason are they changing from what's on here ?

[Paulie9fingers]

Good job Jason, I like the 2 carb deal

[Novalicious]

Big props on the 2 carb rule rethink, now I just have to finish this MFK'r I will be at a few races for sure...