2009 Real Street Rules Suggestions

[Jason Miller]

What does everyone think about restricting nitrous BB cars to two stages and using restrictors on turbos and blowers to keep the class in the 7.5-7.7 area?

Of course the Nitrous BB cars would still be restricted to 10.2 deck height. We need to come up with a better way of checking the deck height as well.

[Jason Miller]

What does everyone think of below? Or should the restrictors on the twin turbos be smaller? And what should the F3 BB blowers be restricted down to?

SB nitrous @ 2700lbs (any amount of stages)
BB nitrous @ 3300lbs (2 stages max, all others must be capped)

SB single turbo @ 3300 lbs (up to 106mm turbo, or must use 106mm reducer)
BB single turbo @ 3400 lbs (up to 106mm turbo, or must use 106mm reducer)

SB twin turbo @ 3400 lbs (must run 80mm reducer)
BB twin turbo @ 3400 lbs (must run 76mm reducer)

10cyl, twin turbo, 88mm turbos w/ T4 exh @ 3500 lbs

SB superhcharged F1 @ 2700 lbs
SB supercharged F2 @ 3100 lbs
SB supercharged F3 @ 3300 lbs

BB supercharged F1 @ 2800 lbs
BB supercharged F2 @ 3200 lbs
BB supercharged F3 @ 3400 lbs (must run ??mm reducer)

[Jason Miller]

If someone goes too quick too often then they would be subjected to running an even smaller restrictor?

[PARADISEAUTO]

where the hell did u come up with that?

[Viper TT]

To prevent a future rule change or run the risk of not being able to attend Real Street events, could you make the V10 rule not T4 exhaust housing specific? A reducer requirement is fine, but I really couldn't tell you where to set the reducer size.

There is a possibility I may upgrade my turbos at some point. :D

[Viper TT]

Also, if the V10 is at 3500lbs, shouldn't the BB Twin Turbo also be at 3500?

[95mmRenegade]

For what its worth......a Small Block with True Twin 76s measured tip to tip not inlet have consistently been 7.5-7.6 on a 295 drag radial. One of the LSx guys tested reducers mid part of the year and the 88s not reduced ran the same ET and MPH as the 88 reduced to 85, 80 showed a very very small drop in ET/MPH.

[Jesse Lambert]

Jason, I understand what you are trying to acomplish with these rules, but the more you try to hold back/restrict the combo's the more people you're going to lose. The hot thing right now is outlaw style drag radial and that is very big in out area (north east). There are enough other venues for people to run their combos unrestricted to satisfy their needs other than installing restrictors and "bracket racing" worrying about going too fast and being restricted even more.....

[chrisevans]

Jason, I understand what you are trying to acomplish with these rules, but the more you try to hold back/restrict the combo's the more people you're going to lose. The hot thing right now is outlaw style drag radial and that is very big in out area (north east). There are enough other venues for people to run their combos unrestricted to satisfy their needs other than installing restrictors and "bracket racing" worrying about going too fast and being restricted even more.....

X2

[Jason Miller]

I want to appease as many as we can. Are we better off just making it an 1/8 race for Real Street and letting it all hang out?

I am trying to be as open minded as I can.

[cgz648]

I think you might have better attendance if you ran Real Street on Saturdays or Sundays??? 1/8th mile is an awesome Idea though

[Nutcase]

I want to appease as many as we can. Are we better off just making it an 1/8 race for Real Street and letting it all hang out?

I am trying to be as open minded as I can.

that would essentially mirror what cecil does on their saturday event.

[Drag Radial]

I want to appease as many as we can. Are we better off just making it an 1/8 race for Real Street and letting it all hang out?

I am trying to be as open minded as I can.



Great idea!

[Viper TT]

As much as I like 1/8 mile for maintenance and safety related concerns, it's nice to have at least one race where we can run it out for the 1/4 mile. With the track quality and long shutdown, MIR is just about the safest 1/4 mile track we're going to find in this area.

I know what you are trying to accomplish Jason. Quite honestly you're going to have to make the decision that best suits what you think will work for your track, which none of us really can provide an answer for you. Unfortunately you will upset a certain group with any decision you make.

You really need to make the decision fairly soon so we can all proceed accordingly.

[Drag Radial]

So mix it up a little between 1/4 and 1/8th mile......nobody does that!

[90lxracer]

So mix it up a little between 1/4 and 1/8th mile......nobody does that!


That would be pretty wild!

[cgz648]

All the rules with restricted entries is going to be hard to police, if you go with the 1/8th mile format your then just going to have to have base weights and that's it.

[95mmRenegade]

Whats the average car count for John's "restricted" 275 class vs the "unrestricted" real street. If memory serves me correctly John said they had 31 racers or something?

[Paulie9fingers]

John had 15 cars at the last race at MIR and I think Jason regularly gets enough for the 2 eight car fields or close to it. John had 31 different racers total and Jason had 48 different racers total.

[Paulie9fingers]

Car count for races at MIR;

Real Street; 14, 16, 16, 16, 14, 14, 16, 14, 13, 8, 14

275 OSBA; 14, 8, 15

[chrisevans]

As much as I like 1/8 mile for maintenance and safety related concerns, it's nice to have at least one race where we can run it out for the 1/4 mile. With the track quality and long shutdown, MIR is just about the safest 1/4 mile track we're going to find in this area.

I know what you are trying to accomplish Jason. Quite honestly you're going to have to make the decision that best suits what you think will work for your track, which none of us really can provide an answer for you. Unfortunately you will upset a certain group with any decision you make.

You really need to make the decision fairly soon so we can all proceed accordingly.
X2 Sal....I thought this thread would be much longer by now!!!:-D

[Jesse Lambert]

Jason, as much as I like 1/4 mile racing making it an 1/8 mile race keeps everything a lot more competitive. Match cecils rules and let's go!

[Jason Miller]

When does Cecil run their races? Saturdays?

[chrisevans]

http://yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90679

Heres the schedule!! Pretty darn easy!!LOL:p

[mt315]

i like the idea of Real street" quick 8 1/4 mile,
and then bring the 275 guys right behind them in a 1/8 mile form- mat. on a friday night ????

[Fastmover]

Car count for races at MIR;

Real Street; 14, 16, 16, 16, 14, 14, 16, 14, 13, 8, 14

275 OSBA; 14, 8, 15
Those real street #s are wrong. I worked when we had over 30 cars once, and had 20+ the night before 1320x.

[Drag Radial]

Those real street #s are wrong. I worked when we had over 30 cars once, and had 20+ the night before 1320x.


I think he just based those on the 2 full fields of 8 rather than the total number of cars that tried to make the show.

[heavy duty]

Great idea!
X2, it would even the playing field somewhat too. JMO!

[Paulie9fingers]

Those real street #s are wrong. I worked when we had over 30 cars once, and had 20+ the night before 1320x.

... I actually took them off of the points, probably should have gone to the results page instead.

http://www.mirdrag.com/v2/points/2008/08_realstreet_SEASON.pdf

[turboalex]

As much as I like 1/8 mile for maintenance and safety related concerns, it's nice to have at least one race where we can run it out for the 1/4 mile. With the track quality and long shutdown, MIR is just about the safest 1/4 mile track we're going to find in this area.

I know what you are trying to accomplish Jason. Quite honestly you're going to have to make the decision that best suits what you think will work for your track, which none of us really can provide an answer for you. Unfortunately you will upset a certain group with any decision you make.

You really need to make the decision fairly soon so we can all proceed accordingly.


honestly its kind of nice having a killer facility that allows us to run 1/4 mile. We drive 4-5 hrs just to make this race for that reason.
The North East, with out a doubt has the baddest cars around why start putting strict rules on them to slow them down.

[Paulie9fingers]

... sorry about the erroneous numbers and these may not be correct but they are based on the results pages, 14, 17, 19, 24, 14, 15, 21, 14, 13, 8, 14 . No 30 plus counts and the day before 1320X shows 14 but still great counts and a great show.

http://www.mirdrag.com/v2/results/2008/08-09/08-09-12.htm

[twinturbo79z28]

honestly its kind of nice having a killer facility that allows us to run 1/4 mile. We drive 4-5 hrs just to make this race for that reason.
The North East, with out a doubt has the baddest cars around why start putting strict rules on them to slow them down.


Because it going to turn into another outlaw 10.5 were one combo has an advantage over the others and only 3-4 racers will have any chance to win.when that happens the other guys will stop coming due to not being able to afford to build a car that will run up front.

[Jason Miller]

... I actually took them off of the points, probably should have gone to the results page instead.

http://www.mirdrag.com/v2/points/2008/08_realstreet_SEASON.pdf

Actually our points are only awarded to the top 16 racers. Any race that has 16 points earners actually had more than 16 racers.

[Jason Miller]

Royce and I are going to talk about 1/8 mile tomorrow. And discuss the pros and cons. I will keep everyone posted on what we decide.

[Jesse Lambert]

Thanks for keeping us updated

[turboalex]

Because it going to turn into another outlaw 10.5 were one combo has an advantage over the others and only 3-4 racers will have any chance to win.when that happens the other guys will stop coming due to not being able to afford to build a car that will run up front.


Remember the fast guys in the 1/4 mile usually run really fast to the 1/8th ;)

Racers who race to win will always find a way to the top, for instance Johnny Kolivas who runs in the NMRA BFG drag radial class just wrapped up his 3rd straight championship. Every year they changed the rules to try to slow him down ....yet every year he found a way to go faster.

just a thought

[twinturbo79z28]

I believe you have much better parody in 1/8 mile racing,i,ve seen both nitrous and turbo radial cars in the 4.80's but i havent seen any nitrous radial cars in the 7.30's or quicker.Making it 1/4 mile outlaw style will wilm make it pretty much a turbo only class,and possible a couple bb procharged combos.

[turboalex]

I believe you have much better parody in 1/8 mile racing,i,ve seen both nitrous and turbo radial cars in the 4.80's but i havent seen any nitrous radial cars in the 7.30's or quicker.Making it 1/4 mile outlaw style will wilm make it pretty much a turbo only class,and possible a couple bb procharged combos.


if i recall correctly ....Richie Stine went 7.38@174 recently

first Nitrous car in the 7.30s

[chrisevans]

A "Typical" 7.90-8.00(1/4mile) car will run 5.1X-5.00 to the 1/8th
A car that runs 7.30's-.40's(1/4mile) will run 4.86-96......Depending on the car-Turbo/Blower etc.
When Hinzman ran 7.18, he went 4.7X to the 1/8th.

So-in the 1/4 thats atleast 6-7tenths difference
in the 1/8th thats 2-3 tenths difference

[cgz648]

Cecil's race is always the first Saturday of the month, I think if your program was more like that one and run on other Saturdays you would have a great turnout, it would make it a lot easier for the guys from NY, NJ, PA, and Delaware to come.

[Drag Radial]

honestly its kind of nice having a killer facility that allows us to run 1/4 mile. We drive 4-5 hrs just to make this race for that reason.
The North East, with out a doubt has the baddest cars around why start putting strict rules on them to slow them down.

That is the exact reason I like the dual format with some races being 1/4 mile and some races being 1/8th mile, gives you guys a chance to put up those killer numbers while running the 1/8th gives those guys a "shot".

[bottlefed1]

1000ft ?

Keeps the cars from running past chassis certs, eliminates the complication of enforcing all the restrictions, and still gives the turbos a fair shake.

Just a thought...

Richard Gavle