Rim Screws

[beebemotorsports]

Hey jim you where right on screwing the rims

how many should i put in

the templets i see all show 16

[footbraker]

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1.29 60 foot, DEAD HOOKING, off the footbrake at 2400RPM, 3860 lbs., 59%/41% F/R weight bias, stock type/bolt-on suspension.

And it's done WITHOUT rim screws, tubular A arms, trick springs, drag shocks, anti-roll bar and tubes!

Tires don't turn on the rim, launches like this EVERY pass/everywhere and the 60 foots vary thousanths from pass to pass!!

So how is it that you need rim screws??

[81 olds]

do it on a radial then ask questions!

[footbraker]

I DO!:p

[85Camaro]

Must have extra grippy rims....

[81 olds]

well all knowing why don't you tell us how its done because jim powski was there saw the car and what it s doing and recamended screwing the rims.

[85Camaro]

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[81 olds]

and beer

[85Camaro]

:drinkers:

[footbraker]

What you think of my advice/knowledge is of no concern to me nor is what Jim recommended!

The FACT is the 60 foots that THIS car is running with it's mid 11's on motor and 10.54 on the bottle to date tells me he/it doesn't NEED rim screws!!!!:rolleyes:

[81 olds]

the way you phrased it sound like your tryin to be a smart ass

[81 olds]

what advise have you givin to help this problem ?

[81 olds]

:drinkers:

thanks i needed that :)

[footbraker]

What part of NOT needing rim screws not to mention...wasting his time and $$ don't you understand?

My ride is over 200 lbs. heavier, makes far more power and 60 foots at least 2.5 tenths quicker!

If I don't need rim screws...HE don't need rim screws!!!!

What he needs to do is TUNE the chassis/suspension...

"1st pass was a motor pass spun really really bad went 11:69 @ 117 mph

2nd pass we sprayed it it spun even worse went 12:15 @ 86mph shutting it down a little past the 1/8 to read plugs

3rd pass we put 6 tenths delay in the nitriuos so it would not spin
it hooked pretty good that time ran a full pass went 10:54 @ 124"

[81 olds]

well all knowing how do you stop it from moving 2.5 inches ( give or take a little )
besides your advise of not needing rim screws ? how do you expct some one to fix a problem with advise like"you shouldn't need rim screws " and not tell them anything else???

[footbraker]

Come on...this is easy stuff!:rolleyes:

1. remove the tires from rims
2. clean wheel bead and tire bead
3. remount tires DRY...meaning NO soapy water/tire mounting lube!!!!

Tires WILL move on the rims for several passes but will stop!!

Trust me, him spinning the tire on launch has NOTHING to do with his tires moving on the rim!!

[81 olds]

now I see some advise in your statement
:smt041

[81 olds]

they were mounted by a shop that speicalizes in race tires ( not the local chain store ) I don't think they use any thing to mount them ( i think they put them on dry) but I can't swear to it. got any other ideas ?

[Slow 69 SS]

Just a suggestion...you might want to see if they used powder (Talc) when they mounted the tires. I never spun tires on the rim untill a shop I hadn't done biz with mounted my tires with that.

.02

[81 olds]

im going to get a new set for my car in the next day or two i'll keepthat in mind thanks

[85Camaro]

Your car is a motor car and his car is a nitrous car, nitrous hits hard out of the hole. and a FYI the car has been just as fast as yours.

So let me get this straight rim screws would not solve the issue of tire spinning on the rim?

You stated screws will not stop the car from spinning the tires? If you ran at milan in april on a wed night you would know why it spun the tires...

It just really gets your panties in a bunch when someone spends money on something that's not needed doesn't it???

[81 olds]

dosen't a t- brake hit the tire a lot harder than footbreakin it ?

[85Camaro]

dosen't a t- brake hit the tire a lot harder than footbreakin it ?

Ask the man I'm sure he knows......:roll:

[81 olds]

[QUOTE=85Camaro]

If you ran at milan in april on a wed night you would know why it spun the tires...

QUOTE]


you aint kiddin !!!!!!!!

[footbraker]

Your car is a motor car and his car is a nitrous car, nitrous hits hard out of the hole. and a FYI the car has been just as fast as yours.

So let me get this straight rim screws would not solve the issue of tire spinning on the rim?

You stated screws will not stop the car from spinning the tires?

Ok junior allow me to educate you...

1. Surely you mean just as quick ON THE BOTTLE!:p
2. "nitrous hits hard out of the hole"...infering that THIS as well EVERY engine on the bottle hits HARDER/makes more torque than my n/a engine and/or ALL n/a engines... ain't acurate or true!
3. his tires aren't "spinning" on the rim, they've moved on the rim!
4. correct...screwing the tires to the rim will NOT stop the tire spinning he spoke of at the hit of the throttle when launching!

HIS tire spin he mentions in a previous post is the result of a chassis/suspension that isn't working/ transfering weight!!

dosen't a t- brake hit the tire a lot harder than footbreakin it ?
Are you saying it will 60 foot quicker?...NOT when the car works!!!

[85Camaro]

I can't beleave you are making such a fuss over screwing tires to the rim...:WGAF

[Maliboost]

I can't beleave you are making such a fuss over screwing tires to the rim...:WGAF



are you kidding? the "King of semantics" makes a BFD out of everything.

So Jim:

Was the tire spinning on the track?

OR

Was the rim "moving" on the tire?

OR both?

Bob

[beebemotorsports]

WOW
I was busy yesterday
but his has got way out of hand
I never said screwing the rims would stop me from spinning the tires

but the tire moved 3 inches on the rim and now the tire is out of ballence and has a vibration

what harm will it do to screw the tires to the rim

[beebemotorsports]

Oh ya !!!!!!
footbracker here is your cookie for not needing to screw your rims
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[footbraker]

are you kidding? the "King of semantics"
Semantics huh:roll:
Hey pal...

THE PROOF IS IN THE PERFORMANCE!:p

You on the other hand are clueless with a shytbox that don't run!!

[footbraker]

Oh ya !!!!!!
footbracker here is your cookie for not needing to screw your rims
http://www.cookiesinheaven.com/images/cookies/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg
Not just rim screws:p

Just think how much quicker/faster my ride would be if I used...

tubes, tubular A-Arms, trick springs, drag shocks, dominator carb, aluminum heads, split fire plugs, K&N air filter/lid, a magic stick from Harold Brookshire, 2"+ headers, sumped tank, fuel cell, fire hose fuel lines, a fuel pump cable of feeding a Pro Stock engine, stud girdle, valve springs with 300 psi on the seat, a glide, a BTE converter, a spragless converter and a line lock.

Maybe I should also put my battery in the trunk, remove the power steering pump and power brake booster too. . NOT!

ANOTHER wannabe that thinks he knows who believes the marketing, myth, rumor and hearsay spewed in the magazines and quoted by the naive and clueless on the net!:roll:

Do let us know when your junk is on par with the best working, small tired/bolt-on suspension Chevelle in the country!

[beebemotorsports]

"Well, la-dee-freakin'-da!"
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[81 olds]

hey beebe whats your mile an hour on a little sbc pump gas motor with a little nitrous?

[85Camaro]

when your junk

You've never even seen the car and your calling it junk???

You are unbeleavable.... A true A**hole

Not to mention the car has been running for 1 month. How long have you been runnning and testing your car??? (sorry I won't come down to your level and degrade your car I've never seen)

You have some serious issues.......

[85Camaro]

THE PROOF IS IN THE PERFORMANCE!:p


I don't see any proof other than you running your mouth..... I'm thinking http://www.motownmuscle.com/forums/images/smilies/bsflag.gif

[81 olds]

You've never even seen the car and your calling it junk???

You are unbeleavable.... A true A**hole

Not to mention the car has been running for 1 month. How long have you been runnning and testing your car??? (sorry I won't come down to your level and degrade your car I've never seen)

You have some serious issues.......


x2
not to mention a sbc is running right with " best working, small tired/bolt-on suspension Chevelle in the country!"
when beebe gets all the issues fixed and he can claim this title from toe jammer footbreaker what ever his holliyness goes by today. then we all can watch toe jamm cry but you use nitrous to do that !!!!!!!!

[81 olds]

You've never even seen the car and your calling it junk???

You are unbeleavable.... A true A**hole

Not to mention the car has been running for 1 month. How long have you been runnning and testing your car??? (sorry I won't come down to your level and degrade your car I've never seen)

You have some serious issues.......


x2
not to mention a sbc is running right with " best working, small tired/bolt-on suspension Chevelle in the country!"
when you get all the issues fixed and you can claim this title from toe jammer footbreaker what ever his holliyness goes by today. then we all can watch toe jam cry but you use nitrous to do that !!!!!!!!

[beebemotorsports]

I would beleive I am the Fastest SBC purple 68 chevelle with no chrome wheel well moldings, pump gas , stock suspention , Dragradial car.

BRING IT ON
Where do you live

I'll even let my wife Whoop your azzz

[footbraker]

Jersey and don't show up until you can run quicker than 9.14!:p

As for your wife....she looks better with the helmet on!!!

[85Camaro]

Jersey and don't show up until you can run quicker than 9.14!:p

As for your wife....she looks better with the helmet on!!!

why 9.14?? your run 10.22, now you want to spray against a 10:1 small block that is so called junk???

[81 olds]

Jersey and don't show up until you can run quicker than 9.14!:p

As for your wife....she looks better with the helmet on!!!


look at that a big block gotta turn aon a bottle to run a small block your a pos
shit talkin useless phuck stick who cant get a bbc to run go crawl into your hole !

[85Camaro]

look at that a big block gotta turn aon a bottle to run a small block your a pos
shit talkin useless phuck stick who cant get a bbc to run go crawl into your hole !

Shit we will run motor to motor small block to big block ;)

Then we will put the motor in my car and I'll let you turn on the bottle. since you'll be 800lbs heavier

[Maliboost]

THE PROOF IS IN THE PERFORMANCE!:p



If you wanna impress anyone, run some 7's with those tires. until then........... nobody cares.

Bob

[beebemotorsports]

Wow
all these over asking how many rim screws should i run

[Maliboost]

I took the box of screws & divided it by 4. FSC did an article sometime last year about it & everyone they asked had a different answer, including the mfg's of the tires.

Bob

[Willytucker]

Without getting into the BS going on here...8 on each side will hold the tire and save you some drilling. Make sure the screws are in the same location (across from each other) on both sides of the rim so the tire sidewall reacts the same on both sides. Good luck!

[da kid]

Aww phuck it, I might as well join in, why don't I load up the JYD and come up north and kick his ass with a lil ol 289.Real 10.5 stock suspension 25 year old shocks and struts,and yes, on my drag radials I've got the godamned rim screw's!!!:mad:

[85Camaro]

Aww phuck it, I might as well join in, why don't I load up the JYD and come up north and kick his ass with a lil ol 289.Real 10.5 stock suspension 25 year old shocks and struts,and yes, on my drag radials I've got the godamned rim screw's!!!:mad:

:cool:

[Justin]

Every time I see Footbraker he is just running his mouth talking Shit!! Hey Buddy your car is cool, now get over yourself! What class do you run with that thing?? When Mr Beebe pulls to the line, he wants to win the round, having the rims screwed might make sure the tire does not slip on the wheel. Now if it were to slip during some test and tune for fun I'm sure it would not be a big deal. The point is for a few bucks and some time he can rest easy knowing that will not be the reason that the 60ft goes away during elims.

Before you ask NO I do not race currently!

[old school]

looks like the red malibue needs the sus work cause every inch up is one less forward !

[blown54]

back to the subject,i just looked and mine have 8 each side.I took the Roy Hills chassis class several years ago and he said that the best way to do it was to have 10 screws per side and the first 5 you set up to be in line with the wheel studs and the next 5 in the middle of those.He said that when the car takes off that the forces travel from the stud out to the tire and you want to have screws there to hold it.

I can see when running a automatic and footbrake you might not need them as the launch is soft,but with a trans brake or a stick the tires are going to hit real hard.The last thing you want is the tires moving on the rims.if the inside doesn't move the same as the outside the tire becomes twisted then problems occur.when you do the screws the tire has to have a relaxed fit on the rim.
I tried not to use them at first but my car hit on the launch so hard the tires just moved around and was worried that if they move to much they could lose air or worse yet come off the rim!

[MrsBeebemotorsports]

Jersey and don't show up until you can run quicker than 9.14!:p

As for your wife....she looks better with the helmet on!!!


I suggest you learn how to race a real racecar and hang with the big boys before you start taking digs at their wives.

I have NO fear, or you or any car. And I will take you on. I think I read that you've only been 10.20's so why do I have to wait til I can run quicker than 9.14?

It's ok to admit you are just a 'test & tuner'.

You might find you do better when you're off the soapbox and in a car.

Good luck to you :butthead:

[Jim Filipowski]

Wow
all these over asking how many rim screws should i run


AHHHH PHUCK-IT... Beebe Buy some bead lock wheels you cheap PHUCK!!!


Anybody want some from the little NOVA...355ci of pump gas small block, Stock gas tank,100 percent stock FRONT & REAR suspension. Back seat too.

Hey 81 Olds I will have fresh bottles in it for you next time. Them bottles of mine where sitting for 10 years and I guess I can only get 3 passes out of a bottle and not 4.:smt017

All them gal's from Jersey are all big talking babies.

[beebemotorsports]

back to the subject,i just looked and mine have 8 each side.I took the Roy Hills chassis class several years ago and he said that the best way to do it was to have 10 screws per side and the first 5 you set up to be in line with the wheel studs and the next 5 in the middle of those.He said that when the car takes off that the forces travel from the stud out to the tire and you want to have screws there to hold it.

I can see when running a automatic and footbrake you might not need them as the launch is soft,but with a trans brake or a stick the tires are going to hit real hard.The last thing you want is the tires moving on the rims.if the inside doesn't move the same as the outside the tire becomes twisted then problems occur.when you do the screws the tire has to have a relaxed fit on the rim.
I tried not to use them at first but my car hit on the launch so hard the tires just moved around and was worried that if they move to much they could lose air or worse yet come off the rim!
Thanks for the info
sounds like this makes sence

[81 olds]

Hey 81 Olds I will have fresh bottles in it for you next time. Them bottles of mine where sitting for 10 years and I guess I can only get 3 passes out of a bottle and not 4.:smt017

All them gal's from Jersey are all big talking babies.


ok we'll try again next time if you needed a bottle why did't you come down to the trailer and ask?

[Jim Filipowski]

ok we'll try again next time if you needed a bottle why did't you come down to the trailer and ask?

That's cool...Little Beebe was helping me...:confused: It's been 10+ years sense I played with NOS. Glad to see ya in the finals.:cool: :cool:

[81 olds]

it was cool to make it that far
little beebe ? you mean the window licker? sometimes he licks the ones just cleaned and the cleaner messes him up a bit lol

[85Camaro]

AHHHH PHUCK-IT... Beebe Buy some bead lock wheels you cheap PHUCK!!! Ohhh Bead locks :prayer: :lol:



Hey 81 Olds I will have fresh bottles in it for you next time...

Do I smell a grudge match in 3rd round of qualifying next race???:p

[Jim Filipowski]

Do I smell a grudge match in 3rd round of qualifying next race???:p


BRING IT AND DON'T sing it like the Footbreaker!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also bring sum $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I'am in...

[81 olds]

are you getting close to having the camaro ready ?

[85Camaro]

are you getting close to having the camaro ready ?

Damn you got around the nova and now your calling out the camaro!!! :lol:

[85Camaro]

BRING IT AND DON'T sing it like the Footbreaker!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also bring sum $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I'am in...

What's up 81, are you in??

I've already given you all my money!!!! You shop is magic or something every time I leave there my pockets are empty!!!! :lol: BTW I need some good hyme joints for my rear suspention :)

[beebemotorsports]

BRING IT AND DON'T sing it like the Footbreaker!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also bring sum $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I'am in...
OH we will bring $$$$$$$$$$$ allright

For some track Hamburgers :smt044

[81 olds]

as long as it's not my money i'll race any one any time knowing jim he'll bring out the procharger motor or the camaro when its ready

[Justin]

OH we will bring $$$$$$$$$$$ allright

For some track Hamburgers :smt044

He does not need the $$$$ The scale guy was giving him Fries last month

[81 olds]

Damn you got around the nova and now your calling out the camaro!!! :lol:
i just figure if I or any one called him out he would bring the heat !!!!

[81 olds]

I've already given you all my money!!!! You shop is magic or something every time I leave there my pockets are empty!!!! :lol: BTW I need some good hyme joints for my rear suspention :)



it does that to me also!!!!!!!!!

[beebemotorsports]

as long as it's not my money i'll race any one any time knowing jim he'll bring out the procharger motor or the camaro when its ready
He is going to need the procharger to beat the nucular banana

[81 olds]

He is going to need the procharger to beat the nucular banana



you guys just love to stir the pot don't ya????


how did this thread go from rim screws to grude matches???
I don't mind i think it would be a good way for milan to use up down time
besides i've lost before I'll lose again !! ( at least it won't be to a ford!!!)

[85Camaro]

....am I going to have to put my $$$$$ up on this one??? Here I go again putting $$$$ up just to see a race. :roll: Ok but if it's my $$$$$$ I get to chose the tune up :-D

[81 olds]

....am I going to have to put my $$$$$ up on this one??? Here I go again putting $$$$ up just to see a race. :roll: Ok but if it's my $$$$$$ I get to chose the tune up :-D



look at my history when I don't bet we win!!!!!!!!!!

[85Camaro]

you guys just love to stir the pot don't ya????


how did this thread go from rim screws to grude matches???

Because YBBitch::-D

[85Camaro]

look at my history when I don't bet we win!!!!!!!!!!

This is true, Hey when you bet on my car we win :cool: it's the other black camaro that loses or lets off before the end of the race!!!!:lol: