2009 Real Street rules

[95mmRenegade]

Do we have any ideas on where the class is heading? How does a Big Block with twin 88s fit? :supz:

[CKNIGHT]

I hope they let you run twins on a big block!

[95mmRenegade]

That shit ain't going to happen. :lol:

[Jesse Lambert]

I know of at least 3 more cars that would show next year if they would alow it

[Drag Radial]

Might as well open it up and call it what it is and that's OUTLAW RADIAL!

[Jesse Lambert]

Nevermind, I just got word its more like 5 or 6

[REDROCKET RANDY]

The word i got they would like the hole field to slow down. They said that is getting out of hand and they would like it to be a 7.70 and slower deal. but i don't know how they are going to slow everyone down. everyone went out and spent the money to be fast know there going to wont everyone to slow down. i think they should have a way for everyone to be able to run.And just let the tire and the track tell you how fast you will go.

[95mmRenegade]

Ok, so Big Block with twin 88s on 275s?

[Drag Radial]

Everybody on a 275 BFG and run it to the 1/8th mile! LOL!

[95mmRenegade]

I wouldn't be opposed to 1/8 mile.

[burbanman]

I wouldn't be opposed to 1/8 mile.


Jason is though. Claims So MD people dont like being "cheated" by 1/8 mile racing.......

Must be all those rich yuppies down there......LOL :)

[JKNIGHT]

I think you could let everyone keep the M/T's and 315's and just make it 1/8 mile. It would level the playing field and you could make it an Outlaw Drag Radial class, so you can run Twins with a Big Block. Unfortunately MIR will never go to 1/8 mile. They say their fans will not support an 1/8 mile race. I have heard that they were thinking about changing the tires that your allowed to run. I don't know if they were thinking size or manufacturer, but I think trying to slow the class down by making us run on smaller or less biting tires is a very dangerous way to go.

[Fastmover]

I think split the class, you already have two fields with the shootout, just split the class, unlimited and limited rules.

[95mmRenegade]

It would be interesting to try a set of 275s.

[NA$TY-TA]

Dont ya think it would be a lil scary on a 275 Phil??

How would a 28" radial effect u vs the 30" now... didnt that help alot..??

[95mmRenegade]

Kyle,
Naw, Once you drive a drag radial car its a different ballgame. Let me know if you need a set of the main studs.

[SCHUCKZ]

Just bring them down to run King of the Streets, Ultimate Radial. You can run 2 big blocks with 8 turbos if you can make it work.:Party

[95mmRenegade]

How is the track prep down @ the KOTS and whats the average TQ ET?

[SCHUCKZ]

We are racing at Elk Creek VA this weekend. The track is awesome. You can throw anything at it. The only thing you have to worry about is wheelstands. This is the first time out for Ultimate Radial. I expect to see low 5s high 4s. Our regular heads up class Street Race runs low to mid 5s. Our current Street Race record holder Jon Rittenhouse has been a 5.08 at Elk Creek. He just ran at MIR Friday night and went a 8.12 there. That was his first time running quarter mile.

You can check out the different class rules here.
http://www.king-of-the-streets.org/rules.htm

Hope to see you there.

[Jesse Lambert]

Elk Creek is "a lil short"!

[95mmRenegade]

duts dat mean?

[SCHUCKZ]

It is altitude corrected by length. It will give you close to the same ET as a sea level track but the MPH will be low in comparison.

[95mmRenegade]

WTF is that? Altitude corrected? 1/8 mile should be 660'. :smt082

[MDracefan]

WTF is that? Altitude corrected? 1/8 mile should be 660'. :smt082

Yeah I agree, that does sound kind of ridiculous. Is it a Nhra or Ihra sanctioned track.

[SCHUCKZ]

IHRA, you would be surprised at how many tracks do it. The last time KOTS was there it read 6300' above sea level. Motor Mile isn't as high in elevation as Elk Creek and it was short until last year. They made it true 1/8th mile last year for ADRL and now it is slower than anywhere. It is more than 2 tenths slower than MIR or Mooresville. Elk Creek being shorter keeps racers from being pissed when they show up and are 3 tenths slower than other tracks.
The main thing is, it's the same in both lanes so both cars have a short track. It is about 620' long.
All the out of town guys who hear about it being short and think they are going to show up and lay down a way faster ET are always sadly mistaken.

[SCHUCKZ]

Here is a highlights video from our last race at Elk Creek.

http://kingofthestreets.powertvonline.com/video/6556

[Jason Miller]

Lets stay on point with this thread guys if we can about 2009 Real Street.

[Jason Miller]

I really don't see how we can allow Big Blocks with twins in Real Street. The Small Block with Twins are already running 7.3s, and to allow something bigger would be difficult. I am not trying to slow the class down, but I am surely not trying to let it go any faster if I can help it.

[Jason Miller]

Whenever I hear suggestions, questions, concerns, or criticism, I really try to listen to the racers. At first sometimes my reaction may be "I dont know about that", but I do listen and I will contemplate it. However, we cannot give everyone everything they want either. "Real Street" is not Outlaw Drag Radial. I try to give as many racers a fighting chance as I can to win.

If we keep giving a "a new combo" more than the "current top combo" the class will keep getting faster and faster, and for every 2-3 cars you gain at the top you will lose 5-6 at the bottom.

I know that some of the Big Block Nitrous cars are looking at switching to Superchargers as a more viable option and they can still race. Some have been asking to run alky even they do not run an intercooler.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

So your telling me that a 632 with a big cheif head can run a blower and a small block with a big cheif still heads can run twins but a big block with a conv.head can't run twins. well now i under stand everything one day some people will find out about head flow and other things that matter and then this mite get strait. And for the people crying to jason about big blocks and twins you know who you are and i'v been told who you are so don't be scared make your shit faster. jason thanks for all your help with this i under stand that theres alot of people blowing your phone up about this. i'll take my small big block with twins and run outlaw radial at cecil they won't have a problem with it. :):)

[Jesse Lambert]

The rules DONT say you cant have a Big Block and Twins. And didnt you tell us that if the rules dont say you cant have it then its allowed?

[95mmRenegade]

Are we trying to keep the class a 7.50ish deal or slow it down to 7.7-7.8?

[REDROCKET RANDY]

How fast do you think you can go? Do you want to bracket race you should be trying to go as fast as that thing will go. cecil has a 8.50 index class you could go run. maybe you could get jason to start a 7.60 index class.:p:rolleyes:

[95mmRenegade]

Well considering the car went .50s on the 10 pass out, we're pretty confident with the current setup the car will go .20s-.30s once the motor is back in. Any other questions?

[REDROCKET RANDY]

so why do you care if there are big blocks and twins if you can run 7.20s.? you should want every combo there so when you go fast then you can say i can hang with everything out there not wondering what would have happend if this combo or that combo was here how you would have done. you will never hear richie or alex say don't let this in or that. They want the fastest shit there so they can say i out ran everyone. just my 2 cent everyone should be there even if they need to be 3600lbs at least they can run.:):)

[OnABudget]

Wow....this is the first time I actually built something that doesnt fit.So a 632 with chiefs and methanol and an F3 is legal??????That makes no sense.

Jason, you really need to look into at least allowing different combos on a trial basis at Import/Domestic to gauge the potential of say a bigblock twin with conventional heads.There`s more of these being built every week.I don`t think there will be a shortage of cars with allowing 1 more combo in,thats not proven to be any faster then what the current rules allow.

Please consider Import/Domestic as that is one race that we don`t want to miss.

Thanks,
JB

[Jesse Lambert]

X2.....lets at least give it a try! To be the Best you have to race the Best!

[95mmRenegade]

so why do you care if there are big blocks and twins if you can run 7.20s.? you should want every combo there so when you go fast then you can say i can hang with everything out there not wondering what would have happend if this combo or that combo was here how you would have done. you will never hear richie or alex say don't let this in or that. They want the fastest shit there so they can say i out ran everyone. just my 2 cent everyone should be there even if they need to be 3600lbs at least they can run.:):)

We are having some problems with the integrity of the LSx block and we wanted to switch to a big block. We know a big block will not have the same problems as the LSx? Does that make sense why I asked if its legal? Why build a combo thats not legal? I don't ever recall every saying that I didn't want to see big blocks and twins.

[Jesse Lambert]

so if you make the change, that takes the count up to I believe 6-7 cars that wont be able to race Real Street next year that have already said they want to

[Jason Miller]

Tell me what I can change when they go too fast. What can be pulled away from them, instead of outright banning them when they go to fast? I can't throw more weight on the cars when they go to fast as they are already too heavy, so thats not the answer.

Secondly, its only a matter of time before someone puts big chief heads on their big block twin turbo car and then 6-7 other racers do the same thing and then everyone complains that I should allow them or they wont run.

Then I fear that racers will add four links, wheelie bars, etc... and do the same thing over and over again. This is exactly what has happened to Outlaw 10.5 and why that class is so fast now. Those cars never started off that way, and look at them now. When is enough is enough? And racers build to the rules, instead of building outside the rules to be able to beat the current top racers?

My biggest problem with this chain reaction is that racers that build to the rules (whether it be a single turbo small block, twin turbo small block, supercharged small block, etc..) then they are forced to go and re-do their whole car to keep up when they are the ones that built to the rules without complaining.

So again... my agenda has never been a secret. I want as many cars as I can get for Real Street without making rule changes to allow the field to go faster than they already are. I cant help natural progression and racers find a little more ET, but to allow a new combo in that could potentially go much faster without having rules in place to slow them down if it does happen, doesnt make sense to me. Throwing more weight at a car that weighs 3400lbs already is not the route to take in my opinion.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Well if anyone would like to see alex vrettos, randy lambert, john balinsky, chris knight, kieth matheson and phil if he takes out the other motor we will be at cecil in 2009. vote for big block and twins peace out.:rolleyes:

[DaveHanlon]

You guys kill me. 2 years ago you didn't want me to race at MIR because i had notched frame rails, and you guys built your car to those class rules and you felt it wasn't fair if i came(with something that was admitted by everyone to not be an advantage) to race, because you built your cars to those rules. What happened to that? How would it be fair to the people who already have cars built to these class rules if jason let in something that actually is a distinct advantage?

And don't take this as crying over spilled milk, i'm just sick of hearing people constantly trying to erode the rules to gain an advantage everywhere. If anyone ever took an honest look at the rules it would be pretty simple, Stine has been 7.40's with a sing 4 barrel cast manifold nitrous motor. Shane stack, wolfe, etc have been .40's with a single turbo on a smallblock. I beleive mustang mike has been a 50 flat with a smallblock and a blower. So lets see, would a class make sense where you were limited to a cast manifold nitrous big block, a single turbo or supercharger smallblock? Oh wait, thats how radial started out.


Also, can we just leave at least one track in the area a 1/4 mile track? Cecil and Capitol both offer 1/8 mile drag radial racing, can there be something left for those of us who are fans of the 1/4 mile?

Jason i'd like to speak with you about this rule: "Rear frame may be notched for tire clearance only with no penalty." to find out if that still excludes me or not, in the event that i get a chance to make it down next year, phone email or private message, whatever works best for you.

Balinsky, i have an input shaft for you still.....i've been MIA all year. Sorry again bud.

Dave Hanlon

[REDROCKET RANDY]

well dave i know where that is headed and like i told you that night and i will tell you again that we did not say anything about your frame rails so i guess if you would like to talk about it again then we can anytime you would like. because someone eles told me that you think it was use and again it was not use. so if you need to talk to me you know how to get ahold of me. its realy funny that you could not get your car to spool up and run right then my brother helps you and you go faster then he helped you again and you go even faster then you want to tell everyone that we are crying about your frame rail so why would we help you and then go tell jason not to let you run use you head smart guy.

[DaveHanlon]

well dave i know where that is headed and like i told you that night and i will tell you again that we did not say anything about your frame rails so i guess if you would like to talk about it again then we can anytime you would like. because someone eles told me that you think it was use and again it was not use. so if you need to talk to me you know how to get ahold of me. its realy funny that you could not get your car to spool up and run right then my brother helps you and you go faster then he helped you again and you go even faster then you want to tell everyone that we are crying about your frame rail so why would we help you and then go tell jason not to let you run use you head smart guy.

You completely missed my point Randy, i'm not here to argue about that night or sling mud, because i never intended to race down there until i was asked to so it doesn't really matter, however your brother did express to my father and i that they felt it was unfair because Jason had been adamant over the winter in restricting the way they modified the framerails on the mustang when they built it. My reason for bringing that up is that in that same light i also believe it's unfair to allow such a drastically more powerful engine combination into the class when there are already people who have invested a lot of time effort and money into combinations that are already class legal, much as your brother and jesse felt slighted about the frame rail situation.

[Matt Jewell]

Outlaw 10.5 isn't Real Street. And you might be surprised who the 2 racers were that Made the big deal at the Creek about your car. The Lamberts weren't a name mentioned. Call me sometime and I'll bring you up to speed.

[DaveHanlon]

Outlaw 10.5 isn't Real Street. And you might be surprised who the 2 racers were that Made the big deal at the Creek about your car. The Lamberts weren't a name mentioned. Call me sometime and I'll bring you up to speed.

Look, my father talked with Rodney, and i know who started the whole thing, and i know what Rodneys conversations with jason were. I'm not bitching about it, i'm using it as a frame of reference for the current discussion.

[95mmRenegade]

Why don't you guys throw a Billet 114 on those big block?

[Jesse Lambert]

Dave, the reason that we were highly upset that night was due to the way the rules were/were not enforced. If the rules are in place then they should stay that way and be enforced for the season. The same thing happened again this season when twins were allowed only using BFG's. We built a single turbo car due to this. Then all of a sudden certain people wanted to run and the rules were changed to allow them to run MT's. I like the new rules dont get me wrong but, again we were told NO and then 2 or 3 races in the rules were changed after we built a car to their rules. The discussion here is for next years (2009) rules. What ever they are they need to be enforced and stuck to for the full season!

[Jesse Lambert]

Why don't you guys throw a Billet 114 on those big block?

because we cant afford to have 3 or 4 of them in the trailer. No one has been able to make them live and it is just not cost effective.

[95mmRenegade]

Big Blocks @ 3600 mininum?

[95mmRenegade]

because we cant afford to have 3 or 4 of them in the trailer. No one has been able to make them live and it is just not cost effective.

Jesse
I feel your pain!

I know it will never happen, but 1/8 mile would make MIR real street insane. We could go to 16 car fields insted of 8. It would be a tossup every round. I think everyone can go 4.9-5.2s.

[DaveHanlon]

Dave, the reason that we were highly upset that night was due to the way the rules were/were not enforced. If the rules are in place then they should stay that way and be enforced for the season. The same thing happened again this season when twins were allowed only using BFG's. We built a single turbo car due to this. Then all of a sudden certain people wanted to run and the rules were changed to allow them to run MT's. I like the new rules dont get me wrong but, again we were told NO and then 2 or 3 races in the rules were changed after we built a car to their rules. The discussion here is for next years (2009) rules. What ever they are they need to be enforced and stuck to for the full season!

See i don't feel that the timing makes a difference in this case, but i'm glad you at least understand my referencing the subject. Since it would be terribly unsafe to have twin turbo big blocks at 3600+, what would you do to help the nitrous cars, loosen up the rules on them? Remember, the nitrous cars still have restricted deck height and manifold, so people who are already building motors for next year have had to adhere to those rules, so now change it and their blocks and manifolds are worthless to them?

I don't get it, everybody sees what happened to 10.5, why does everyone want the same thing to happen to radial?

[DaveHanlon]

Jesse
I feel your pain!

I know it will never happen, but 1/8 mile would make MIR real street insane. We could go to 16 car fields insted of 8. It would be a tossup every round. I think everyone can go 4.9-5.2s.

I know it would tighten up the fields a lot, but is it honestly as fun for you to drive 1/8th mile rather than 1/4? I know it's not for me, i like the 180 mph charge at the stripe.

[95mmRenegade]

I do like the 190+mph traps but it definitely wears the parts. ;)

[JKNIGHT]

I think split the class, you already have two fields with the shootout, just split the class, unlimited and limited rules.


I like this guys idea! Any chance of making it (2) classes? Outlaw Real Street and Real Street??????

[Drag Radial]

I like this guys idea! Any chance of making it (2) classes? Outlaw Real Street and Real Street??????

And don't forget us 275 radial guys because Nitrous Small Blocks need a place too................... WOW 3 radial classes!

[Drag Radial]

Outlaw Radial 1/8th mile

Real Street 1/4 mile

Limited Radial 1/8th mile

[chrisevans]

Jesse
I feel your pain!

I know it will never happen, but 1/8 mile would make MIR real street insane. We could go to 16 car fields insted of 8. It would be a tossup every round. I think everyone can go 4.9-5.2s.

I would do my best to make it if they did this.........But Jason will never change it.....;)
I gotta agree with you Phil-I like BIG trap speed-but its NOT worth the damage anymore LOL!!!

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Dave we keep building cars to mir rules then the rules get chaged after two or three races i'm done with that i'm going to build my car the way i want and when i'm done if i don't fit anyones rule i'l go test in tune all the time i don't care. and if jason lets big blocks and twins in then i'll runn i know i can run every where eles other then mir thats all.

[95mmRenegade]

I really like 1/4 mile but when Shawn and I test its always 1/8 mile. If they did 1/8 mile run what you brung with weight mininums it would be a tight field. Shit Small blocks with 2 stages can run deep into the 5s. Instead of having .7 from top to bottom you would have .2-.3. Top qualifier would be a high 4.9x last qualifier would be a 5.2. No one would really have an advantage because at that point its car setup and 60. Races are over in 5 seconds. I'd like 1/8 mile but are the specators going to support it, believe it or not they are financially tied to this deal. No specators no money no race.

At this point I am staying with the 438 and have replaced some shit to hopefully be able to spin it to the moon and run the big numbers on the big end. One thing we plan on changing for next year is only use the power when we need to. We'll get the tuneup maximized to run a 4.8 in the 1/8 mile and only add power if its needed. Stine has taught us a thing or 2 over the last month.

[Turbo90gt]

Outlaw Radial 1/8th mile

Real Street 1/4 mile

Limited Radial 1/8th mile


I think that is the best thing i have heard. Let real street rules stay the same for 2009. Then allow whatever in the outlaw radial class but make it 1/8 mile. Also add the 275 class at whatever distance. I think that would solve all of the issues and everyone can agree. Maybe you would have to start 1st round a little earlier in the evening say 6 or so though to get 3 class in. Also it may be a sponser issue to have 3 classes i dont know.

[95mmRenegade]

The 3 classes will definitely thin the car count down.

[al-marlow]

Hey guys, just my opinion 1/8 mile outlaw drag radial big block twin turbos, sheetmetal intake two carbs, whatever. Lets just race and see who can put the power on the ground.:)

[95mmRenegade]

Bad Al!
How do you think the fans will react to the 1/8 mile?

[Jesse Lambert]

Im goin 8.50 racin!

[Drag Radial]

Or how about Outlaw Radial with these rules:

1. Any size radial tire
2. Any one type power adder. No nitro, no alcohol. Any cubic inch permitted.
3. Stock suspension only;

• DIRECT BOLT on replacement parts (coil over shocks and minimal mini tub OK).
• No ladder bars
• No 4-links
• Weld in anti roll okay
• Torque Arms allowed if car was originally equipped with one (ie 3rd and 4th gen F-Body, Buick GNX)
• Leaf spring cars allowed slapper bars, cal-trac bars, smith trax and complete mono or multi leafs, no half leaf/coil over combos allowed, moving springs inboard is permitted
• Suspension type must be as originally equipped : factory attachment points must be used, forward mount on F body torque arm attached to cross member permitted
• Factory frame notching permitted
4. No wheelie bars.
5. Mufflers require
6. 3,200 lbs for BB NOS/TURBO/Supercharged 2,800 lbs for SB NOS(All cars will be weighed prior to run).
7. 4/10ths PRO TREE, IHRA Rules Apply, Driver and Car Safety Equipment will be used. Tech director reserves the right to deny any competitor deemed unsafe or not meeting the spirit of the rules.


And these for a 2nd class:

(Vehicle Minimum Weights)

1. SB N/A 23 degree/stock valve angle 2600
2. SB N/A: 15/18 degree 2800
2. SB Nitrous, Turbo, or Blower stock valve angle: 3000 and non stock valve angle : 3100
3. Canted Valve SB and BB N/A: 3100
4. ** SB Power Adder limited to Inline Valve Heads Only
5. ** BB N/A Combos limited to Conventional Style Heads
6. ** Cleveland Style Heads must be used on Cleveland Block

Add on rule ** Big blocks can use single stage/spray bar plate with 1 single NOS brand power shot ,or super power shot nitrous solenoid. Any fuel solenoid is allowed. Weight is 3400#, any 275 drag radial, and conventional cylinder heads only.

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(Nitrous Specifications)

1. Single Stage/Plate system only with a maximum of one nitrous, one fuel, and one purge solenoid. Each solenoid is permitted a single orifice. Plate systems limited to 1 nitrous spray bar and one fuel spray bar, purge must exit engine compartment. Plate must not be permanent part of the intake or use fogger nozzles.
2. Progressive systems permitted and are allowed one additional solenoid for progressive operation only, must be inline. EFI systems are required to use a single nitrous nozzle which injects nitrous oxide into the engine prior to the throttle blade.
3. Fogger Systems or (2) Stage NOS Prohibited. These systems must be removed or disconnected/capped prior to and during the race. Failure to do so will result in DQ.

(Blower Specifications)

1. Vortech: YSI, T-Trim, S-Trim – or any model of lesser rating
2. ProCharger: F1(Non “R”), D1/D1SC - or any model of lesser rating
3. Reverse rotation /forward facing blowers permitted on Ford Modular/LSI applications only. Blower inlet air source must originate from within the engine bay.

(Turbo Specifications)

1. Maximum size of 76MM Small Frame. Boost Controllers Permitted
2. Forward facing Turbo prohibited. Turbo inlet air source must originate from within the engine bay





(Tire Specifications – Listed Sizes/Models Only)

1. P275/60/50/45 M/T, BFG, HOOSIER, Nitto or Goodyear Radial Only 100lb break for BFG
2. 28 X 11.50LT – Street Slicks 100lb weight added (Mickey Thompson, Hoosier Quick Time/Pro)
3. ** SB/BB NA (Only) may use any type of Radial or 28X10.5 non-w slick


(Rear Suspension – Stock Type Only w/Coil Over Okay)

1. Split Mono or Multi Leaf permitted - NO Half Leaf/Coil Over
2. Factory Length Torque Arm on 3rd/4th Generation F-body and GNX permitted
3. Rear Control arm mounting points + or - 1 inch
4. Slapper Bars/Cal Trac/Smith Trax/Slide-a-Links permitted
5. Mini Tubs/Tubs permitted
6. Shocks must be stand alone and may not be adjustable or monitored during run via electronic and/or other means. Electronic programmable shocks prohibited.

(Front suspension – Stock Type w/Coil Over Okay)

1. After market K member/sub frame okay
2. Use of spindle mount wheels prohibited

(General Specifications)

1. Mufflers required on all combinations
2. Lexan Permitted. Fiberglass Allowed: Hood, Rear Deck Lid, FR/RR Bumpers
3. Carbon fiber panels limited to hood only
4. Factory Style Dash/Interior
5. No Wheelie Bars
6. N/A combos are prohibited from using any type of Power Adder.
7. Each event winner must immediately pass a vehicle review/tech/weight check prior to returning to the pits and before receiving the event purse.

[95mmRenegade]

Im goin 8.50 racin!

No your not....Are you?

[Drag Radial]

No your not....Are you?

He's pulling your leg! He'd rather sit than go index racing!

[Jason Miller]

I dont know that we would have time to run Real Street and 275 in the same night. We still have to run Pro Street, Super Street, and Streetbike ET classes that night. We can't forget about the normal guy that comes to race on Friday nights. The 275 class would need to be run on a different night.

[JKNIGHT]

2. Any one type power adder. No nitro, no alcohol. Any cubic inch permitted.



Why shouldn't you be allowed to run alcohol??? What about on a non-intercooled Turbo car??? What is the difference in running alcohol and no intercooler as opposed to gas with an intercooler? Especially in an "OUTLAW" class!

[95mmRenegade]

I think the class was great last year, really don't need any new rules with the exception of Lexan front windows after seeing what recently happened. Lexan front windows and no visable fasteners.

[prostreets10]

so if you dont have twin turbos or 600 plus inches with 3 stages you quickly become a spectator. :toimonster:

[looking4vr]

Bad Al!
How do you think the fans will react to the 1/8 mile?
I HATE the idea of 1/8th mile racing at my beloved home track....BUT if it means you guys break less stuff, and therefore get to race more I'm all for it. I know enough guys down in the pits now to understand full well how much easier it is on these cars not to have them on the ragged edge for a full 1/4 mile pass. Not to mention the safety aspects of the cars not becoming ballistic missile's @ the inevitable 200mph mark. I'd much rather see the cars continue to come back in one piece but as I've taken part in and overheard enough conversations it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured in one of these cars...

I actually think it could improve car counts if guys don't have to upgrade to the latest spec on the chassis too, no?

Anyway, thats my fan's perspective and .02 cents :D If this 275 class takes off I hopefully won't be a spectator too much longer ;)

[prostreets10]

I dont know that we would have time to run Real Street and 275 in the same night. We still have to run Pro Street, Super Street, and Streetbike ET classes that night. We can't forget about the normal guy that comes to race on Friday nights. The 275 class would need to be run on a different night.

Jason, you could run the 275 class like you do the shoot out now. Not crying but theres no place for us small block nos guys in the real street class anymore! Who agrees?

[Drag Radial]

Hey we'll just keep running the 275 deal on Sundays Bobby! I had a great time and when we feel like running the 1/4 we'll show up and try and make the shootout.

What about a 16 car field for Real Street and 8 car for the shootout??

[95mmRenegade]

so if you dont have twin turbos or 600 plus inches with 3 stages you quickly become a spectator. :toimonster:
Really....I'll don't agree. We made 10 hits on a brand new combo last year and went 7.50s on our last two passes, one we let off @ 1000'. We had issues with both passes and have not turned the boost up yet. You can get it done with a single.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

How about this we just say no turbo's and no big block and make it just small blocks run what you brung and then all of the guy's with 434's and smaller will be in the same boat because i can build a 500+ small block with 4 hits then all of this will start all over again so who's in for it. Tell jason to change the rules and i will get to work on it. Then in two years we will be right back here again.

[Jason Miller]

We cant make Real Street a 16 car field unless we figure out how to run 2 rounds of qualifying and 4 rounds of eliminations between 6:30pm - Midnight

Right now the schedule is

Gates Open--- 6:30pm
1st Qualifier--- 8pm
2nd Qualifier--- 9pm
1st Round -----10pm
2nd Round ----11pm
Final -----------Midnight

By making it a 16 car field, we would have 4 rounds of elims. How do we do that and not run after midnight. The peak time for spectators are from 8pm-11pm. But most stay for the Real Street Final when its close racing to see who wins.

I dont see how we can run the 275 class on the same night as Real Street because of time. We still have to run Pro Street, Super Street, and Streetbike bracket classes too.

[Drag Radial]

I'm fine with Sundays!

[MDracefan]

Just curious why don't they run at some of the Saturday special events, they would get more exposure in front of the large crowds.

[Jesse Lambert]

weekend race + good purse= better turn out!

[5ohhh]

Jason,

As a fan of this class for about 5 years...leave the rules the way they are. Infact, the best racing this class EVER had was 2 years ago when turbo cars were on BFG's and Nitrous cars had Limited Stages. When you went to the creek on a real street night 2 years ago nobody knew who was going to win the race it could have been Stine, Buckler, Lambert, King, Bitzer on and on and on.

My dad has built a car for the class according to this years rules and we hope to be out within the month testing and racing before years end. Real Street is a great class but I think everyone would agree a 8 car field all packed within 2 tenths is a hell of alot better show than 2 cars running away from the pack.

As far as slowing the class down, twins should be limited to a 275 as well as Nitrous Cars with 3 stages.

2 Stages and a Single 88 or smaller any size Radial.

The nitrous small block rules as they are I think are great yet none of the Nitrous guys have tried to take advantage of them (no bars)


Regardless of what decision is made on 2009 you guys put on a hell of a show and I cant wait to get Dad's car together and be apart of it!

[95mmRenegade]

I don't think your going to catch richie on 275s but ya never know.

[turboalex]

I love Rule discussions :-gay

its a lose ....lose situation
You change the rules to let some people step up but at the same time the people who cant keep up as it is ... step out

Jason ...i feel your pain bro ......Good Luck:-D

[Drag Radial]

I love Rule discussions :-gay

its a lose ....lose situation
You change the rules to let some people step up but at the same time the people who cant keep up as it is ... step out

Jason ...i feel your pain bro ......Good Luck:-D

LMAO!!!! http://www.mafia-motorsports.com/forums/images/smilies/beat_deadhorse.gif

[Jesse Lambert]

so on 2 the bbc's can go 7.60's-7.70's
but 88mm turbos on the edge can go 7.90's-8.0's....

[5ohhh]

so on 2 the bbc's can go 7.60's-7.70's
but 88mm turbos on the edge can go 7.90's-8.0's....

OK 101mm or smaller whatever seems to be the most popular size (turbo stuff is greek to me idk spit)

But IMO the reason the class has gotten so fast this year is because of three things:

1. Nitrous cars having Unlimited Stages

2. Twins Get the Same tire as evryone else

3. The 315/60 coming into play where as last year everyone was on a smaller tire


Outlaw Radial is crazy because just like outlaw 10.5 the rules never end...

Kinda like showing up at 1320x and watching Pro Mod Cars with a 10.5 inch tire dominate:smt078

[looking4vr]

Real Street RULES!


Oh...wait, I'm sorry...back to the rules discussion ;)


Poo Poo for rain btw...:(

[Jesse Lambert]

So if we cant run big blocks with twins next year, can we run alcohol?

[95mmRenegade]

Alcohol on small blocks? I'm game.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Can i run a 632 with big cheif heads and i f3r? in real street

[68maro]

Can i run a 632 with big cheif heads and i f3r? in real street
shhhhhh!!!!

[Jason Miller]

Sure, check out the minimum weight for that combo on the World Cup Website, haha

[95mmRenegade]

:)

[Viper TT]

Sure, check out the minimum weight for that combo on the World Cup Website, haha

:rolleyes: Hmmmm.....A Top Kick with BBC/F3R combo. :p

[gryphon68]

Sure, check out the minimum weight for that combo on the World Cup Website, haha

Not a very welcoming weight break . . . . :confused::confused::confused:

[REDROCKET RANDY]

So when will the 2009 real street rules be out ????

[Jesse Lambert]

x2 Putting the cars together and would like to see where we can race next season!!!

[Viper TT]

I think the World Cup Finals Real Street rules will be implemented for 2009 Real Street.

[95mmRenegade]

So if thats the case
last years rules + the addition of Lexan
no headlights, brake lights or interior
Alcohol for V8 supercharged combos
Also no spec for fiberglass doors or bumpers/fenders.

[twinturbo79z28]

I say we do like the ADRL,whatever you want just so its on a radial.No rules-no crying:smt088

[Jesse Lambert]

whats the base weight for small blocks with twins? max turbo size? Just tryin to see if I will be testing or racing at MIR next year

[REDROCKET RANDY]

What ever there going to be i just would like to see them. And i don't care if he's going to make it a 8.50 class i just would like to see some rule soon. so if i won't to i can make some changes for 2009. i hope that the rule's don't show up march 2009.Thanks

[95mmRenegade]

From talking to Jason the rules *Sound* like they are going to match pretty closely what we had in 2008.

[5ohhh]

I know quite a few people who would also like to see the forward facing scoop rule changed. Doing away with these 12" cowl hoods would definatly be alot safer.

[95mmRenegade]

I *think* the forward facing scoop rule will be changed for next year.

[5ohhh]

I *think* the forward facing scoop rule will be changed for next year.


and to think we just put on a rear facing one two weeks ago..lol

that would definatly be a good change I know the BB Nitrous boys are tired of running into trash cans in the pits :p

[REDROCKET RANDY]

damn phil it sound like you and jason have already set up the rules can you let the rest of us know what eles you have going on with them. i know i will onley be coming over there for test and tune but i have other people asking about the rules. next time you guy's hang out and talk about the rules let him know we would like to know whats going on with them. thanks

[95mmRenegade]

Randy,
I have nothing to do with the rules for real street and have 0 input on rules for next year. I was up @ MIR for the last real street race and spoke to Jason at the track about it. He said that the rules are going to be very close to the ones from last year and he really does not want the field going any faster. :rolleyes:

[Jesse Lambert]

So will he stay with what ever rules are put in place or make changes during the year that restrict/eliminate combo's based on et's. The past two seasons we've had rule changes that directly affected our cars/combo's and how competitive we can be ouside of MIR. There are other events for us that we have to think about as well. We will not end up with a car that can only be competitive at one track! Been there...Done that...Won't happen again!

[Jason Miller]

Guys, the fans really love the Real Street class at MIR, and you guys have had some great racing this year, some cool looking cars, a variety of combinations, and great sportsmanship.

Lets keep this healthy and productive. I understand you guys have other places to race as well and not just here and I am very sympathetic to that. Let's try to figure a way to keep this class where it is in terms of ETs and help the combos that need help getting competitive, but not at the expense of hurting the class because we give someone to much. I dont want to keep playing leap frog with combos.

We do need to get the rules done ASAP, so you guys can plan for 2009. Would be nice to hear reasonable suggestions at jmiller@mirdrag.com

I am a fan of this class as much as I am a promoter and Event Director. So let's decide whats best for everybody! :)

[Turbo90gt]

Is there any chance of lowering the weights for all combos for 2009.

[turboalex]

Is there any chance of lowering the weights for all combos for 2009.


I agree with that ....:-D

[Jesse Lambert]

Me too!

[GrannySShifting]

just my 2 cent everyone should be there even if they need to be 3600lbs at least they can run.:):)

Ive tried that approach w/ Jason with another class or two, make em weigh what you need for parity capped at the max the cert will allow and let em in.

FOr real street put the BBC/turbo twins on 275s :rolleyes:

[REDROCKET RANDY]

There not going to let bb and twins in at mir. but i will come over there for test and tune. does anyone know if a turbo car has ever won the championship for real street ever. i think it's been a nos car every year and every year all they want to do is slow down the turbo cars. they should just make it a nos class then they would not need to change the rules.

[5ohhh]

There not going to let bb and twins in at mir. but i will come over there for test and tune. does anyone know if a turbo car has ever won the championship for real street ever. i think it's been a nos car every year and every year all they want to do is slow down the turbo cars. they should just make it a nos class then they would not need to change the rules.


Yes a Nitrous car has won every championship as far as I know...but thats because they show up. You cant expect to win a championship when you show up to 50% of the races the way the turbo cars do....and Jason allowed twins this year..the same tire for the turbo cars as the nitrous cars and you think he was trying to pick on the boosted cars??????? That class was about as fair as it could possibly be this year if NOS cars have all the advantages then why does a turbo car hold the track record???

[95mmRenegade]

track records dont win races. Richie is a bad ass mofo and has proven he can get down ANY track when it counts.

[Fastmover]

Not true. Glennie Buckler won with a SBF turbo!

[Fastmover]

Yes a Nitrous car has won every championship as far as I know...but thats because they show up. You cant expect to win a championship when you show up to 50% of the races the way the turbo cars do....and Jason allowed twins this year..the same tire for the turbo cars as the nitrous cars and you think he was trying to pick on the boosted cars??????? That class was about as fair as it could possibly be this year if NOS cars have all the advantages then why does a turbo car hold the track record???
Because Alex broke a transmission every few passes!

[5ohhh]

track records dont win races. Richie is a bad ass mofo and has proven he can get down ANY track when it counts.

Exactly my point...dont you agree Consistancy is what deserves to win Championships? Its not that the rules wont allow the Turbo Cars to compete because they can and infact, Alex was usually #1 qualifier at every Real Street Event he attended..so its not that the rules were holding him back from a championship, it was attendance and consistancy both of those cars are stupid fast and pretty equal IMO

[5ohhh]

Not true. Glennie Buckler won with a SBF turbo!

When Buck won it in 2004 with the Black LX it was still a SBF NOS Car. He switched to Turbo in 2006 in the LX...wrecked it and debuted the new body style car he has now at the End of 06.

08: Stine BBC NOS
07: Bitzer BBC NOS
06:Stine BBC NOS
05: Stine BBC NOS
04: Buckler SBF NOS

And thats as far back as I recall but its always been an NOS car

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Can anyone tell me how fast a big block with twins has been with a radial??and stock sup.??

[95mmRenegade]

I don't think anyone has tried, I would think that its going to be a more reliable combo than the small block turbo.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

So if it has not been done yet then why not try it and see what happens and if they take over the class then stop them from coming. mir can change the rules for them at any time so why not try it and then find out what happens. another thing why can't big block and a procharger come race well some guy from ohio went 7.18 at 198 or something and now its outlawed at mir trust me he's not coming to mir. This is like the people out there that make up rules for tim lynches combo so it does not come to there race trust me when i say he's not coming to va or md to race for 1000,00 dollers so don't make rules for cars and combo's that will not be racing at your races. tim lynch and steve petty are bad ass. but people with the same combo's don't run as fast so don't stop there combo's from running because they run so fast. i now jason will take this wrong but i'm not busting your balls i think you should atleast try it. big block and twins and prochargers at mir 2009 atleast try it.

[5ohhh]

So if it has not been done yet then why not try it and see what happens and if they take over the class then stop them from coming. mir can change the rules for them at any time so why not try it and then find out what happens. another thing why can't big block and a procharger come race well some guy from ohio went 7.18 at 198 or something and now its outlawed at mir trust me he's not coming to mir. This is like the people out there that make up rules for tim lynches combo so it does not come to there race trust me when i say he's not coming to va or md to race for 1000,00 dollers so don't make rules for cars and combo's that will not be racing at your races. tim lynch and steve petty are bad ass. but people with the same combo's don't run as fast so don't stop there combo's from running because they run so fast. i now jason will take this wrong but i'm not busting your balls i think you should atleast try it. big block and twins and prochargers at mir 2009 atleast try it.

I agree to some extent, but if a Big Block Procharged car has been 7.18...dont you think that same motor with twins would be a hell of alot faster? A BBC Twin Motor would make upwards of 2500 HP...so why not also allow Blown Alcohol Motors? If new combos keep coming in to this class its just going to keep snowballing and get out of control. Soon enough SB NOS cars stand NO chance, infact they are really behind the 8 ball now. I know what your saying about Hinzman not ever coming to MIR but that doesent mean that someone else cant build the same combo over the winter and do what he has done. Unfortunatly, when these rules are made you really have to look at the fastest car for each combo and figure out who has an advantage and who is behind. So nitrous cars all have to play catch up to Stine just as Alex set the pace for all of the turbo cars...kinda sucks but thats just how it is.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

50hhh you bring up good points. so what car do you have and what combo do you run???

[95mmRenegade]

So if it has not been done yet then why not try it and see what happens and if they take over the class then stop them from coming. mir can change the rules for them at any time so why not try it and then find out what happens. another thing why can't big block and a procharger come race well some guy from ohio went 7.18 at 198 or something and now its outlawed at mir trust me he's not coming to mir. This is like the people out there that make up rules for tim lynches combo so it does not come to there race trust me when i say he's not coming to va or md to race for 1000,00 dollers so don't make rules for cars and combo's that will not be racing at your races. tim lynch and steve petty are bad ass. but people with the same combo's don't run as fast so don't stop there combo's from running because they run so fast. i now jason will take this wrong but i'm not busting your balls i think you should atleast try it. big block and twins and prochargers at mir 2009 atleast try it.

So a Big Block with what sized turbos? 76s?

[5ohhh]

50hhh you bring up good points. so what car do you have and what combo do you run???

My dads car came out for the first time at Ford Fever and we will run real street in 2009...so I mean technically your attempt to be sarcastic and insinuate that I have no car so I have no input is fine, but also as a fan of the class since it began almost 5 years ago, I feel my opinion is not quite as biased as yours. Our car isint Turbo, NOS or Procharged at the moment, its N/A and runs at 3300 lbs as if it was a NOS car, which is fine, I dont expect the rules to adapt to the car that we built which is what everyone seems to do as of late.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Well look at that dave hance has a 632 big cheif motor with twin90s and he could only go a 7.55 and that is steve petty tuning so you guy's think i'm going faster then that. i guess you guy's where wrong. and that thing is a top notch motor and i have a bracket motor that i made into a turbo motor. and 50hh i'm not busting your balls you took it the wrong way.

[5ohhh]

Well look at that dave hance has a 632 big cheif motor with twin90s and he could only go a 7.55 and that is steve petty tuning so you guy's think i'm going faster then that. i guess you guy's where wrong. and that thing is a top notch motor and i have a bracket motor that i made into a turbo motor. and 50hh i'm not busting your balls you took it the wrong way.

Well my apologies, its a tough call regardless because us low budget guys like my family and yourself have to suffer because we cant afford Steve Petty or Steve Johnson he way these other guys can. Hance's car is new but before long he will be down in the low low 7's im sure, and you will suffer because of it, it really sucks but thats heads up racing for ya, everytime someone spends a buck you gotta spend two to catch back up:(

[95mmRenegade]

IMO a BBC will make enough power to run 205-210mph easily. The only way a BBC would work is with twin 76s.

[95mmRenegade]

Tim Johnson did Blast a 7.4x in one of his very first hits with his Turbo/BBC combo.

[5ohhh]

Tim Johnson did Blast a 7.4x in one of his very first hits with his Turbo/BBC combo.


No doubt they will FLY. Your basically taking a BBC that makes an initial 250-300 HP if not more that a Small Block N/A to start and then throwin two hairdryers on it...that will make HUGE power.

[5ohhh]

Not to mention Stine has the baddest NOS car in the land right now and its taken him all year long to break into the low 7.40's with the .44 hit he had in testing this week, and that black Camaro has more passes this year than most of the MIR cars combined lol

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Tim johnson is on alcohol. and its a big chief motor. i guess no matter what i come up with it's not going to happen.:):)

[95mmRenegade]

Tim Johnson was not on alcohol when he ran @ MIR. Randy, Your a great guy and I definitely like having you around. If it comes to voting, I'll vote BBC and twin76s.

[OnABudget]

So ban the F3 Big block that went 7.18,ban the tt bb that didn`t run shit yet. Didn`t Wolfe go a 7.21, better get out that pen and stroke that combo to 10000 lbs also.

Hance has chiefs,Hinzman has chief style heads,Johnson has chiefs,what has a conventional head gone?You can limit the cylinder head to conventional,and see what plays out?
My .02

[REDROCKET RANDY]

THANK YOU JOHN.

[twinturbo79z28]

As for engine rules i could care less,i will put Phil's small block up against anything that anybody puts in a stock suspended radial tire car.
With that being said it sounds to me like that people think that a conventional head is a disadvantange on a big block turbo motor-all i have to say to that is Bill Futch and Joe Newsham,both of these guys have turbocharged big block chevys with conventional heads-they are 2 of the fastest cars in 10.5,Futch has been a 6.56 i believe and Newsham has been in the .60's i believe.And i think we all know that hp isnt the main advantage to having a big block.

[OnABudget]

Last I checked we were comparing radial cars and times, since when does Futch and Newsham run radials????Then lets get technical,Hance`s small block been 4.40`s in 10.5, its now in Mustang Mikes car,I guess we have to ban him too, if you want to compare 10.5 to radial.

Also put Futch and Newsham at 3500+lbs and see what they run.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

i'v never seen them guy's on radials did i mis something. i guess if you guy's want to race me yall need to bring it to cecil. lol

[95mmRenegade]

Last I checked we were comparing radial cars and times, since when does Futch and Newsham run radials????Then lets get technical,Hance`s small block been 4.40`s in 10.5, its now in Mustang Mikes car,I guess we have to ban him too, if you want to compare 10.5 to radial.

Also put Futch and Newsham at 3500+lbs and see what they run.

The Outlaw drag radial cars are making close to the same power as the outlaw 10.5 cars if you look at the numbers, so there is something to be learned from Newsham and Futch. The big block has alot of advantages, for one its going to be more reliable than the small block at the same power level. You can take a detuned big block and make the same power as a small block set on Kill mode and have no reliability issues. And when you set the big block on a kill tuneup its no comparison.

Everyone seems to think that a small block on a single is not going to be competative. I had 0 drag radial experience this year when Shawn and I started, 8 passes on a brand new backyard built drag radial car we are in the 7.5s @ 190+. The car is no where near a set on kill tuneup and we had some very big issues that hurt power. Working through the suspension bugs I am very confident that our little 438 with a Precision 106mm turbo will go deep into the 30s.

IMO a Big Block with twin 88s should easily run in the teens/twenties @ 208-212 in drag radial. I can tell you that Paul Major in a little LSx went 207 on twin 88s with a small block, what would he have done with a big block? If Jason allows Big Blocks in Real Street, I can assure you..... I'll have a 600+ cubic inch Big Block in the mustang with twin 88s and I'll show everyone 210+mph in drag radial.

[twinturbo79z28]

Last I checked we were comparing radial cars and times, since when does Futch and Newsham run radials????Then lets get technical,Hance`s small block been 4.40`s in 10.5, its now in Mustang Mikes car,I guess we have to ban him too, if you want to compare 10.5 to radial.

Also put Futch and Newsham at 3500+lbs and see what they run.


You must not be able to understand my point-there is no disadvantage to a conventional head on a big block in a turbo application i dont care what fucking tire you put on it.
You can get conventional heads that flow damn near 500 cfm on the intake-just because nobody has gone fast with conventional big block heads on radials doesnt mean it wont happen-doesnt take a slide rule to figure that one out.

[Jesse Lambert]

Paul Major isnt running the LSX engine in the car for the outlaw races lately. All of the 200+ mph passes hes made were with the warhawk engine i believe

[TurboTA87]

As for engine rules i could care less,i will put Phil's small block up against anything that anybody puts in a stock suspended radial tire car.
With that being said it sounds to me like that people think that a conventional head is a disadvantange on a big block turbo motor-all i have to say to that is Bill Futch and Joe Newsham,both of these guys have turbocharged big block chevys with conventional heads-they are 2 of the fastest cars in 10.5,Futch has been a 6.56 i believe and Newsham has been in the .60's i believe.And i think we all know that hp isnt the main advantage to having a big block.


I think his point was that some serious power can be made with conventional heads and someone with a good chassis setup on a radial car and a good tune could put up a big number without leaning on it quite as hard as the smallblock parts. I could be wrong but that's what I got out of his post.

[twinturbo79z28]

Paul Major isnt running the LSX engine in the car for the outlaw races lately. All of the 200+ mph passes hes made were with the warhawk engine i believe


Yes,they were made using the Warhawk block engine,but it is still an LS style chevy

[twinturbo79z28]

I think his point was that some serious power can be made with conventional heads and someone with a good chassis setup on a radial car and a good tune could put up a big number without leaning on it quite as hard as the smallblock parts. I could be wrong but that's what I got out of his post.


exactly

[REDROCKET RANDY]

I think the funny thing is that both of the guy's worried about the big block and twins are from the same car the tuner and driver and not one other car from real street are saying anything. i guess everyone eles will race anyone out there. LOL

[twinturbo79z28]

Shit Randy-i'm not worried-if you can beat them join them-if they allow big blocks in real street with twins no problem-we will either run with them or put in a tt big block ourselves.I have a nice 548 bbc with Dart 360's hanging on a stand right now,sure would look nice in a black mustang.

[Drag Radial]

Tim Johnson did Blast a 7.4x in one of his very first hits with his Turbo/BBC combo.


Tim Johnson??? I thought he had a SBF with a single turbo in a mustang and yup he went 7.4X at 19X earlier this year at MIR.

[5ohhh]

Tim Johnson??? I thought he had a SBF with a single turbo in a mustang and yup he went 7.4X at 19X earlier this year at MIR.

hmmm thats what I thought too...damn half breeds :p

[95mmRenegade]

I think the funny thing is that both of the guy's worried about the big block and twins are from the same car the tuner and driver and not one other car from real street are saying anything. i guess everyone eles will race anyone out there. LOL

Didn't I say earlier that if it was put to a vote I would vote to ALLOW BIG BLOCKS AND TWIN 76S. But I already know you want to be able to run twins and 88s. :rolleyes: I will line my small block with twin 88s up with ANYONE in drag radial. I ain't skeered.

[Turbo90gt]

I have no bbc, no big chiefs and no alcohol. It is a sbf with inline victor glidden heads and running gas. I wish Jason would open it all up and allow bb and twins (wouldn't mind trying it myself) but then you get into adding weight to that combo and run into safety issues. The only thing I have a problem with this whole thing is why Sal can run a V10 with twins but your not gonna let someone run a bb with twins?:confused:

[95mmRenegade]

Its right in the rules. :partyman:

V10 - Twin 88s 3650 mininum weight.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Then let me run at 3650 at least that would let me run.i think everyone should have a shot at running even if you are going to be at 3650.

[OnABudget]

I already told Jason I would run at 3650 at Import/Domestic and take it as a trial run on the rules.

As far as arguing on what combo can run what,I`m done, as it seems some people are just don`t get it.Who wouldn't want to spend less money on a more reliable engine, with less maintenance?

[95mmRenegade]

OnaBudget,
What did he say?

[5ohhh]

I have no bbc, no big chiefs and no alcohol. It is a sbf with inline victor glidden heads and running gas. I wish Jason would open it all up and allow bb and twins (wouldn't mind trying it myself) but then you get into adding weight to that combo and run into safety issues. The only thing I have a problem with this whole thing is why Sal can run a V10 with twins but your not gonna let someone run a bb with twins?:confused:


Oh man that made my day, for a second I thought all this time the Red Hatch I always thought was the cleanest car in the class was a BBC...made me feel a little sick in the stomach lol

[tim lewis]

I have no bbc, no big chiefs and no alcohol. It is a sbf with inline victor glidden heads and running gas. I wish Jason would open it all up and allow bb and twins (wouldn't mind trying it myself) but then you get into adding weight to that combo and run into safety issues. The only thing I have a problem with this whole thing is why Sal can run a V10 with twins but your not gonna let someone run a bb with twins?:confused:

i thought i saw on the heads friday when we put the motor back in that it had the new papus heads??????

[5ohhh]

The only thing I can think of with the v10's being allowed is that honestly, outside of the Viper stuff what is really avalible for a v10? Its not like someone is gonna build v10 from scratch and stuff it in a camaro or fox mustang. I mean the viper IS the v10 market as far as I know and cylinder heads, blocks, cranks, camshafts etc. I would imagine are alot more limited availibilty than say a BBC....just my 2 cents. I have no real beef with the BB and Twins...just that if the class is trying to slow down or atleast not go any faster than thats not the way to go, Randy I hear your side of it and agree it sucks not to be able to race at all. I fought it at Ford Fever because I had a carb instead of efi, I just wanted to race even if it was with a 200 lb penalty, so I hear where your coming from it sucks.

[ATVracer]

Do the V10's have to keep the IRS ?

[Jason Miller]

Guys after the World Cup Finals, I would like to have a meeting for everyone to attend. Anyone intersted in picking a place and a date? I cant do Nov 14-16 as I will be in Rockingham for a bike race, but can do any other date.

[1slo5oh]

Gawwwwwwwwwwwwdddddddddddd.....Where can I get a set of the Papus Heads?

[heavy duty]

Gawwwwwwwwwwwwdddddddddddd.....Where can I get a set of the Papus Heads?
Cool Ray's Racing sells them exclusively, Tim Lewis has his #;)

[heavy duty]

I have no bbc, no big chiefs and no alcohol. It is a sbf with inline victor glidden heads and running gas. I wish Jason would open it all up and allow bb and twins (wouldn't mind trying it myself) but then you get into adding weight to that combo and run into safety issues. The only thing I have a problem with this whole thing is why Sal can run a V10 with twins but your not gonna let someone run a bb with twins?:confused:
X2, helped him @ Vmp this weekend, unless them Papus heads look like sbf heads it's got a sbf. Where do you guys come up with this shit???:-D

[REDROCKET RANDY]

This should be fun.

[Jesse Lambert]

Well count out another 2008 competitor. Just got confirmation that they are getting ready to step up to a big block w/twins.

[95mmRenegade]

Who dat Jesse?

[Jesse Lambert]

Not letting the cat outta the bag yet. He got an offer on the small block and if all goes well, he'll start putting the BB together soon!

[95mmRenegade]

What kind of big block? Twin 88s?

[Jesse Lambert]

conventional heads and twins

[95mmRenegade]

twin 76/80/85/88/91/94/101s?

[Jesse Lambert]

not sure yet no bigger than 88's

[TRAVIS417]

HEY JASON, ANY CHANCE IN REPLACIN TOP STREET ON FRIDAY NITE WITH THE 275 SERIES I THANK U WOULD GET MORE CARS AND GIVE THE FANS A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO WATCH. NOT MANY PEOPLE I KNOW COME OUT JUST WATCH TOP STREET

[Fastmover]

HEY JASON, ANY CHANCE IN REPLACIN TOP STREET ON FRIDAY NITE WITH THE 275 SERIES I THANK U WOULD GET MORE CARS AND GIVE THE FANS A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO WATCH. NOT MANY PEOPLE I KNOW COME OUT JUST WATCH TOP STREET
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[mt315]

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[C Little]

Let bb in with any single or twins on gas:)

[REDROCKET RANDY]

See even chris little said it him self bb and twins one more vote. im up to seven cars that wants bb and twins and more are coming.

[5ohhh]

See even chris little said it him self bb and twins one more vote. im up to seven cars that wants bb and twins and more are coming.

Honestly, if its good for MIR's car count....why not let em in?

[Fastmover]

See even chris little said it him self bb and twins one more vote. im up to seven cars that wants bb and twins and more are coming.


new Class! Outlaw DR. Quick 8 stock suspension, 315 DRs unlimited motors!

1k to win 100 to enter.

Limited DR Quick 8, basically same at Real Street this year,
1k to win 40 to enter.

there are your 2 8 car fields!

[heavy duty]

Honestly, if its good for MIR's car count....why not let em in?
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[REDROCKET RANDY]

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[Jason Miller]

new Class! Outlaw DR. Quick 8 stock suspension, 315 DRs unlimited motors!

1k to win 100 to enter.

Limited DR Quick 8, basically same at Real Street this year,
1k to win 40 to enter.

there are your 2 8 car fields!

Who is going to pay all that purse?

[Fastmover]

Who is going to pay all that purse?
The Fans? Sponsor? I dunno. Just throwing it out there!

[twinturbo79z28]

I think that would be an excellent idea.The radial tire thing is def the fastest growing class.The problem always is you got guys that want to go faster and faster and can afford to and you got guys that can only afford to stay were they are.In ol 10.5 it became a class where only the rich could win and everybody else gave up.If you got 2 different classes the guys that want to go faster can,the guys that cant afford to can stay where they are and be competetive.
As for money for payouts.If we can get some rules hashed out before PRI in Dec.I would be more than happy to shake some of the vendors trees to get some money.If you put on a great event racers will come as well as sponsors.Jason you have proved that you can put on great events and have had some of the best racing that can be found anywhere-why should this be any different.

[5ohhh]

new Class! Outlaw DR. Quick 8 stock suspension, 315 DRs unlimited motors!

1k to win 100 to enter.

Limited DR Quick 8, basically same at Real Street this year,
1k to win 40 to enter.

there are your 2 8 car fields!


The only problem with that is that Vrettos Stine Marlow Buckler and all the guys who got into the low 7's in real street trim this year are still eligible for limited. That really doesent give the SB NOS cars a chance for anything. I know everyone wants to include the BB Turbos as do I too. I dont know if we need to open up a whole new class though...

[JKNIGHT]

You could make the Limited DR class the rules Jason had about (2) years ago in Real Street. Nitrous limited to 1 stage plate, give the Small Block nitrous guys (2) systems, you have to limit the turbo size cause I wouldn't want to see them put back on BFG's and you should have a class around the low 8's. Add the Outlaw Drag Radial and you should have (2) Kick Ass classes... providing you can get some sponsors to foot part of the bill. Just my 2 cents but the Outlaw Drag Radial pay out should be more than the Limited especially if they are going to pay more entry.

[5ohhh]

You could make the Limited DR class the rules Jason had about (2) years ago in Real Street. Nitrous limited to 1 stage plate, give the Small Block nitrous guys (2) systems, you have to limit the turbo size cause I wouldn't want to see them put back on BFG's and you should have a class around the low 8's. Add the Outlaw Drag Radial and you should have (2) Kick Ass classes... providing you can get some sponsors to foot part of the bill. Just my 2 cents but the Outlaw Drag Radial pay out should be more than the Limited especially if they are going to pay more entry.

Thats probobally the best idea I have heard yet. If the sponsers could help with $$$ part. Atleast it gives low budget guys a good class to start out with and makes things more "entry level". Good Call.

[dragstang]

Personally i think there is a lot of room for a small block nos class or say a 88mm turbo or f1 supercharger.

[KARL LAMBERT]

Guys after the World Cup Finals, I would like to have a meeting for everyone to attend. Anyone intersted in picking a place and a date? I cant do Nov 14-16 as I will be in Rockingham for a bike race, but can do any other date.

Jason,
That's an incredible offer but I'm not surprised that nobody has responded to it. You're never going to get everyone to agree on the weights, engines and power adders. Everyone sees an advantage for somebody else no matter what. :rolleyes: You're just going to have to make a call and stick with it. The most important thing in my opinion is STICK WITH IT! Minor adjustments only to the rules once they have been set for '09.

I'll bet you can get this worked out right here. I think people are more likely to get their true thoughts out in this forum than they are in a face to face meeting. Plus, it's a long haul for many of the people that participate in the program no matter where you have the meeting.

Maybe you've already done this and I missed it but why don't you post a sticky in the MIR section that is a set of '09 proposed rules and then get some input. Maybe have a cutoff date that you will no longer take input?

I know I can speak for everyone that participates in the program and say that we're all thankful to be able to race at what has to be the finest facility in the East and we appreciate your commitment to Heads Up Racing. It's important that you consider our input when making the rules but ultimately it's your call. After you listen to everyone give their .02, make the rules and stick with them.

Lets get it done so people planning for next season know what to do!

Karl

[Jesse Lambert]

Damn, well that about says it all! Lets get it done so we all know what to build!

[tim lewis]

well i geuss we really on alcohol! heavy said this would make a good pic lol

http://images43.fotki.com/v1390/photos/1/1155985/6917760/101_1634-vi.jpg

[KARL LAMBERT]

You guys ain't right!!:rolleyes:

[chrisevans]

Personally i think there is a lot of room for a small block nos class or say a 88mm turbo or f1 supercharger.
Yup...make it like the ford race was this year-
F1R's / 85 or 88's & SB/NOS combos w/"proper" weights
ALL on 325's !!!! You can call this "real street"
& the other "Outlaw-radial"-Like it already is!!:)

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Chris thats not outlaw thats "real street" if it was outlaw i could race.

[chrisevans]

"Real Street" is not Outlaw Drag Radial.

I like Jason & all,but I could'nt stop laughing when I read this one!!
R/S is every bit Outlaw-NO matter what anyone says.
I know the name has been with the class since the beginning-but has anyone ever read John Sears R/S rules for down south? Or seen NMRA R/S rules? They would know what I mean.
I think it should be BB/Conv.head w/twins & or a F3 @ the same weight Sal is.......NOT putting Sal out there-but his motor is a BIG Block ya' know?;)

[Jason Miller]

Yup...make it like the ford race was this year-
F1R's / 85 or 88's & SB/NOS combos w/"proper" weights
ALL on 325's !!!! You can call this "real street"
& the other "Outlaw-radial"-Like it already is!!:)

And how many cars would we honestly have show up?

How many 88mm turbo cars, F1s, are in our area. We only have a few nitrous small blocks too.

I need to have a car count here guys...

[95mmRenegade]

One thing for sure, some rules need to be enforced. No torque arms on mustangs and engines need to be checked for CID.

[Jesse Lambert]

I dont recall there being any cubic inch restrictions except possibly big block nitrous combos and thought theirs was a deck height rule.

[95mmRenegade]

;)

[Viper TT]

"Real Street" is not Outlaw Drag Radial.

I like Jason & all,but I could'nt stop laughing when I read this one!!
R/S is every bit Outlaw-NO matter what anyone says.
I know the name has been with the class since the beginning-but has anyone ever read John Sears R/S rules for down south? Or seen NMRA R/S rules? They would know what I mean.
I think it should be BB/Conv.head w/twins & or a F3 @ the same weight Sal is.......NOT putting Sal out there-but his motor is a BIG Block ya' know?;)

My opinion is the IRS counteracts my cubic inch advantage. :-D I'll agree if BB with twins convert to IRS. :smt082

In all honesty, I'd hate to be in Jason's shoes. No matter what he decides, he'll upset someone. I say make a decision and go with it so we can all make plans accordingly over the winter.

[Jesse Lambert]

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[tim lewis]

ill be happy if i can put my liberty in a radial car lol

[chrisevans]

And how many cars would we honestly have show up?

How many 88mm turbo cars, F1s, are in our area. We only have a few nitrous small blocks too.

I need to have a car count here guys...


Jason,
If you make a good class-people will show up.
For example-I know this guy with a sbf/F2 ;) & he comes down to run R/S(Outlaw radial !!) & is off by 6 tenths & 20 mph.
The said person goes home & says"I cant compete with those guys" & does'nt come back(Or he goes to cecil & runs 1/8th mile) because it keeps everyone closer/safer & easier on parts.
Then you make up the class we are talking about & that same guy says"wow-I can switch the blower & tires & do that!" & wa-la he's at your track running again!
the same goes for the single turbo guy / & NOS guy.
Good luck with whatever you do bro'.......you da' man!:)

[mt315]

Jason,
If you make a good class-people will show up.
For example-I know this guy with a sbf/F2 ;) & he comes down to run R/S(Outlaw radial !!) & is off by 6 tenths & 20 mph.
The said person goes home & says"I cant compete with those guys" & does'nt come back(Or he goes to cecil & runs 1/8th mile) because it keeps everyone closer/safer & easier on parts.
Then you make up the class we are talking about & that same guy says"wow-I can switch the blower & tires & do that!" & wa-la he's at your track running again!
the same goes for the single turbo guy / & NOS guy.
Good luck with whatever you do bro'.......you da' man!:)

well said chris..... i'm in as one of the "NOS guy". :-D

[chrisevans]

I here ya' Larry !
The Ford race this year had a"regular"Drag radial class & Outlaw, I do believe the car count was pretty darn good in DR.
Because believe it or NOT......there are ALOT of DR cars that don't run 7.50's & faster!
& people who have setups that dont have the"resources" to run 7 freakin'30's @ 200mph.!!!!!

[CHOIR BOY]

Hey Jason do you have a estimated time your gonna make your decision on the rules? it seems there alot of people waiting on this Inquiring minds want to know.

[Turbo90gt]

Is there any chance of allowing other fuels like alcohol?

[heavy duty]

You guys ain't right!!:rolleyes:
Karl YOU should know that by now! LOL!

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Sal i have IRS one bar is bolted on the left and one bar is bolted on the right and they do not touch each other so that makes them independant :):):):):) LOL.

[Viper TT]

Sal i have IRS one bar is bolted on the left and one bar is bolted on the right and they do not touch each other so that makes them independant :):):):):) LOL.

For the true IRS test we need Mona Lisa Vito to examine our tire marks while spinning over a curb! If they stay flat and even, you're good! :p

[KARL LAMBERT]

For the true IRS test we need Mona Lisa Vito to examine our tire marks while spinning over a curb! If they stay flat and even, you're good! :p

I'll bet as a "yute" that part of the movie gave you a woody Sal! LOL

[Viper TT]

I'll bet as a "yute" that part of the movie gave you a woody Sal! LOL

HitIt:-:

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Hey phil did you start on the rules yet. 2009 is right around the corner.:)

[slow dodge]

can we get some help for the poor old hemi cars :rolleyes::p:p

[turboalex]

Hey phil did you start on the rules yet. 2009 is right around the corner.:)



Ya let me guess ......

RULE #1

NO YELLOW CARS PERIOD :-damnit

[95mmRenegade]

Hey phil did you start on the rules yet. 2009 is right around the corner.:)


At this point I could care less about the rules, I started this thread to see if we could build a convential headed big block with twins. I am going to finish building my car to my specs and if it fits their rules great.

[95mmRenegade]

Ya let me guess ......

RULE #1

NO YELLOW CARS PERIOD :-damnit

Oh don't be mad. I am sure your going to be welcome even with a Wishbone and floater.

[REDROCKET RANDY]

I sure hope you can make it to cecil some day:):).

[Viper TT]

Ya let me guess ......

RULE #1

NO YELLOW CARS PERIOD :-damnit

FordSux:

[DEracebabe]

FordSux:
easy, easy. i'll remember that. damn i got no love from him :smt052
alex what is up with our boy? ;)

[turboalex]

easy, easy. i'll remember that. damn i got no love from him :smt052
alex what is up with our boy? ;)


Sal Sal Sal ......

thats not nice now is it :smt089
i thought we where boyz:partyman:

[Jason Miller]

I am headed to Rockingham, NC this weekend for the MIROCK race. When I get back, we need to see if we can pick a place and time for those that want to put input on the rules for us to sit and talk. Any ideas to where and when? Or is this a bad idea? I have some ideas that could appease everyone if everyone is on board, and still could open the board to all combinations, maybe even BBTT.

[KARL LAMBERT]

I am headed to Rockingham, NC this weekend for the MIROCK race. When I get back, we need to see if we can pick a place and time for those that want to put input on the rules for us to sit and talk. Any ideas to where and when? Or is this a bad idea? I have some ideas that could appease everyone if everyone is on board, and still could open the board to all combinations, maybe even BBTT.

From a previous post you may have missed:confused: Or maybe you didn't think it was a good idea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Miller http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/images/ibulletin/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1399641#post1399641)
Guys after the World Cup Finals, I would like to have a meeting for everyone to attend. Anyone intersted in picking a place and a date? I cant do Nov 14-16 as I will be in Rockingham for a bike race, but can do any other date.


Jason,
That's an incredible offer but I'm not surprised that nobody has responded to it. You're never going to get everyone to agree on the weights, engines, suspensions and power adders. Everyone sees an advantage for somebody else no matter what. :rolleyes: You're just going to have to make a call and stick with it. The most important thing in my opinion is STICK WITH IT! Minor adjustments only to the rules once they have been set for '09.

I'll bet you can get this worked out right here. I think people are more likely to get their true thoughts out in this forum than they are in a face to face meeting. Plus, it's a long haul for many of the people that participate in the program no matter where you have the meeting.

Maybe you've already done this and I missed it but why don't you post a sticky in the MIR section that is a set of '09 proposed rules and then get some input. Maybe have a cutoff date that you will no longer take input?

I know I can speak for everyone that participates in the program and say that we're all thankful to be able to race at what has to be the finest facility in the East and we appreciate your commitment to Heads Up Racing. It's important that you consider our input when making the rules but ultimately it's your call. After you listen to everyone give their .02, make the rules and stick with them.

Lets get it done so people planning for next season know what to do!

Karl

[REDROCKET RANDY]

Sounds like jason wants to have a big party at his house and he said he would have free beer and he would like to talk about letting in big blocks and twins in real street .LOL:-D:-D:-D:-D

[Jason Miller]

One thing that I do know and understand is that racers need to be able to race at the "Outlaw Drag Radial Events" as well as MIR. I dont need to have the fastest radial cars in the country, I just would like good car counts and close racing, just as alot of other people do.

What about re-visting Big Block TT, and Small Block TT, and F3s, but put inlet restrictors on all of them. That way they can just take them off and run elsewhere when they want. A 3rd NOS stage could also be capped off from the Big Block NOS cars too to keep things even. It would be nice to try to keep everyone in the 7.50 range.

The NOS small blocks would continue to get as many nitrous stages as possible, two carbs, lexan windows, fiberglass doors, etc..

The following combos below is just a possible idea...
(what does everyone think about this?) Again this is just something to start looking at, nothing final by any means)

SB nitrous @ 2700lbs (any amount of stages)
BB nitrous @ 3300lbs (2 stages max, all others must be capped)

SB single turbo @ 3300 lbs (up to 106mm turbo, or must use 106mm reducer)
BB single turbo @ 3400 lbs (up to 106mm turbo, or must use 106mm reducer)

SB twin turbo @ 3400 lbs (must run 80mm reducer)
BB twin turbo @ 3400 lbs (must run 76mm reducer)

10cyl, twin turbo, 88mm turbos w/ T4 exh @ 3500 lbs

SB superhcharged F1 @ 2700 lbs
SB supercharged F2 @ 3100 lbs
SB supercharged F3 @ 3300 lbs

BB supercharged F1 @ 2800 lbs
BB supercharged F2 @ 3200 lbs
BB supercharged F3 @ 3400 lbs (must run ??mm reducer)

[Jason Miller]

If someone goes too quick then we put a smaller reducer on the car. Eventually I think we can get everyone much closer.

[KARL LAMBERT]

If someone goes too quick then we put a smaller reducer on the car. Eventually I think we can get everyone much closer.

Any head or deck height on the BB?
What happens if the NOS cars go too quick?

[Fastmover]

BB F3 with Renegade reducer!

[Fastmover]

Just my 2 cents!

[5ohhh]

the idea of taking away nos stages i think is great, keeps it level and also easier on parts i.e. less oil downs, less single runs in eliminations etc....

also, what about making the tt cars cap off the front inlet and not allow forced air into the impeller if those or the single cars get too fast...not sure if thats possible but i think NMRA had that rule in radial for a while, NOS cars are not allowed forced induction through the carb so that makes sense

[chrisevans]

SB twin turbo @ 3400 lbs (must run 80mm reducer)
~This combo @ More weight has already run 7.37@198-I thought 7.50's were the goal?

BB nitrous @ 3300lbs (2 stages max, all others must be capped)
~WOW-Richie & Scott are NOT gonna like this one! Do you think they had two of em' lit up to run 7.40's? Iam in NO way speaking for either of them...but you'll leave the SB/Twin 80mm combo alone & do this to them?:rolleyes:

I personally would make it..........


1. Base weight 3200 lbs.
Deduct 400 lbs for NOS/ small block combo
NOS/SB combo's may have MAX slick 29.5X10.5 /wheelie bars & ladder bars
2. 315/60 MAX DOT Radial Tire (must fit in quarter panel)
3. Factory Transmission & Converter
4. Single type power adders only(Twin turbo is 1 power-adder)
5. Stock type front Suspension, Direct bolt on replacements accepted
6. Stock type rear suspension accepted
7. Mini tubs and Coil-over’s permitted. Must retain stock frame rails,
may be notched for tire clearance. Backhalf cars prohibited
8. No Wheelie Bars
9. Mufflers Mandatory
10.All Run on 1/4 mile format

Makes tech "real" easy! & why NOT have the baddest DR cars in the land @ your track.........thats what people want to see anyways!!

This is just my opinions & means nothing really! I would'nt be able to hang with my bucket o'bolts-& would'nt even bother coming-+I like 1/8th mile better(Safer/keeps everyone closer/less torn up parts)-but it sure as hell would be awesome to watch!!!!!!!:p

[KARL LAMBERT]

Phuck that Chris. We want you there!:)

[Jesse Lambert]

Sounds good to me Chris! Or go with Cecils rules 1/8 mile. It is easy to tech and keeps all of the combos competitve....I do like the 1/4 tho

[Jason Miller]

Chris, we never put 80mm reducers on the TT cars. They have always been 85mm. I am talking about making them 5mm smaller. If 80mm proved too big, then it could be made even smaller.



SB twin turbo @ 3400 lbs (must run 80mm reducer)
~This combo @ More weight has already run 7.37@198-I thought 7.50's were the goal?

BB nitrous @ 3300lbs (2 stages max, all others must be capped)
~WOW-Richie & Scott are NOT gonna like this one! Do you think they had two of em' lit up to run 7.40's? Iam in NO way speaking for either of them...but you'll leave the SB/Twin 80mm combo alone & do this to them?:rolleyes:

I personally would make it..........


1. Base weight 3200 lbs.
Deduct 400 lbs for NOS/ small block combo
NOS/SB combo's may have MAX slick 29.5X10.5 /wheelie bars & ladder bars
2. 315/60 MAX DOT Radial Tire (must fit in quarter panel)
3. Factory Transmission & Converter
4. Single type power adders only(Twin turbo is 1 power-adder)
5. Stock type front Suspension, Direct bolt on replacements accepted
6. Stock type rear suspension accepted
7. Mini tubs and Coil-over’s permitted. Must retain stock frame rails,
may be notched for tire clearance. Backhalf cars prohibited
8. No Wheelie Bars
9. Mufflers Mandatory
10.All Run on 1/4 mile format

Makes tech "real" easy! & why NOT have the baddest DR cars in the land @ your track.........thats what people want to see anyways!!

This is just my opinions & means nothing really! I would'nt be able to hang with my bucket o'bolts-& would'nt even bother coming-+I like 1/8th mile better(Safer/keeps everyone closer/less torn up parts)-but it sure as hell would be awesome to watch!!!!!!!:p

[chrisevans]

Chris, we never put 80mm reducers on the TT cars. They have always been 85mm. I am talking about making them 5mm smaller. If 80mm proved too big, then it could be made even smaller.

Jason,
I hate putting people"out there"but Alex had 80's on his car all year until recently, He's NOT afraid to tell anyone what he's got on his car.

I don't think;)

[C Little]

Jason,
I hate putting people"out there"but Alex had 80's on his car all year until recently, He's NOT afraid to tell anyone what he's got on his car.

I don't think;)
Then stay off the internet.

[chrisevans]

Then stay off the internet.

DAMN-That was mean!!:( I guess we are on YB though;)

[turboalex]

<----Garret twin gt47 80mm turbos for sale $3000 :-D

[twinturbo79z28]

i figured since nobody has posted in a couple days i would post and stir some shit up:-D
how about sheetmetal intakes on forced induction cars,they must not help any since most of the fast turbo guys have cast intakes

[KARL LAMBERT]

We must not need 'em then right?

[twinturbo79z28]

just want one for the cool factor:cool:

[Nutcase]

why make rules since they are obviously not enforced

[REDROCKET RANDY]

jason any rules yet for 2009???

[Jesse Lambert]

wait til March

[fuel]

wait til March

Jesse,

Sent you a PM

[95mmRenegade]

M/T 275s would make an interesting conversation.

[Novakane72]

M/T 275s would make an interesting conversation.
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