DOTY

[R Hollingsworth]

Hey just wondering if you are gonna put that tq arm on the car and come to Jackson?? If so I have a new set of tires, wont need them my motor let go on the dyno, made a pull to 8200 and went back to idle then had no oil pressure. Come to find out the oil pump broke in half:confused: so then we thought that was a quick fix so went to checking mains and rods and then discovered the crank was craked:(:( so my junk wont be there.
There is qualifing on Sat 3 rounds , 1rnd Sunday before race so would have time to tune in would have to scale in @ 3200 I think..
Give me a shout if interested. Any one else interested is welcome rules are on tdra.us race is this sat and sun pays 2000 to win Jackson TN
Call me Doty 731-697-3707

[inthe5s]

if doug cant make it You want to help me ?? I might be able to come..

[DPouw]

You might want to think twice Vern. That's an awful lot of weight. :smt017 Hell, you can spray it for 50lbs more.

Naturally Aspirated

2900 Small Block N/A with conventional heads
3000 Small Block N/A with non-conventional heads
3100 Small Block N/A with non conventional canted valve heads
3200 Big Block N/A with conventional cylinder heads
3350 Big Block N/A with non-conventional or non-wedge heads

[R Hollingsworth]

if doug cant make it You want to help me ?? I might be able to come.. Sure , at least you have a chevy motor in that Ford. Do you think it will handle the extra weight?? That is a long way from 3000# LOL.
How bout you David you gonna try it out??
By the way Vern does Doug even have a tq arm for that car? And if anybody has a 4" sbc crank with 350 mains they want to donate I really need it!!!

[nascar]

Sorry about your motor. Why were you dynoing this late in the season?

[R Hollingsworth]

Just like everybody else in the hunt for a few more HP!!! I guess its a good thing it worked out like it did, if that wouldve happened at the track probably could have broke a lot more parts. Right now Im just out a crank and bearings and probably a line bore job, also a oil pump. Had a mellings select but going back with a billet alum pump, the cast one broke in half!! my guess is from the vibration.
Hope to have it together for the next race.

[nascar]

You might want to think twice Vern. That's an awful lot of weight. :smt017 Hell, you can spray it for 50lbs more.


Naturally Aspirated

2900 Small Block N/A with conventional heads
3000 Small Block N/A with non-conventional heads
3100 Small Block N/A with non conventional canted valve heads
3200 Big Block N/A with conventional cylinder heads
3350 Big Block N/A with non-conventional or non-wedge heads


That should be the weight in OSM. It appears fairly fair. It is only 150 lbs then nitrous sb and is only 50 lbs more then the nitrous small block with less then 18* heads.

[inthe5s]

You Know I cant run what you can run Small Block NOS 3200 and My NA Big block @3350 would not even be a close race it has been close the way it is . I cant run 3350 thats to much for my turd to carry .. so I am out on that race...

[Kelly Pelrine]

one question.... will those guys be pulling heads to check compliance? doubtful.

we (OSM) are a one day race why have rules you need to have time to check when you dont have the time. this is outlaw racing, limited rules big results! :)

[R Hollingsworth]

You dont have to pull heads, most are marked outside. BB and SB most can look at and tell. All they check is jet size on nos, weight after each round qu or el and only one tire size. Works out very good as anyone who has raced there will agree to. Very close racing most of the time.. Kelly if you have time you should check it out 1st saturday in Oct.
Last night 1st rd qual was at 6pm we finished up racing at about 11pm.
Maby I'll get my motor fixed and be able to check out your last race, also if Doty will donate a couple of those 15 pass tires!!!
The winner last night ran a 5.58 @127 BB Nova leaf spring cal tracs.

[Kelly Pelrine]

You dont have to pull heads, most are marked outside. BB and SB most can look at and tell. All they check is jet size on nos, weight after each round qu or el and only one tire size. Works out very good as anyone who has raced there will agree to. Very close racing most of the time.. Kelly if you have time you should check it out 1st saturday in Oct.
Last night 1st rd qual was at 6pm we finished up racing at about 11pm.
Maby I'll get my motor fixed and be able to check out your last race, also if Doty will donate a couple of those 15 pass tires!!!
The winner last night ran a 5.58 @127 BB Nova leaf spring cal tracs.
I didnt know there was a way to check for the canted stuff without removing a head. Then again thats why i have someone else for tech :p The BB & SB for sure can understand as that is easy to see. Just trying to cover all bases :) Sounds like a good running program. I think that first weekend in Oct is the NMRA finals at BG, but never know where i will show up haha. I am starting a new business so i will be able to be much more flexible with my time whoo hoo.

C'mon Doty give him some tires lol!

[inthe5s]

Hey Robert tell GBoy I tried the 275 60 15 tire and lets say with out a doubt I can run faster on that tire than I did on the slick now I know why you guys like them they hold up very well and last. I might try and run with you guys next year . On the down side I was at OSM weight not the 3350 . I will try and add weight and see if I can be competitive at that weight without spending Big bucks . I will have to get BES to do some of there magic I think I would need about 130 HP more to make it work so Who Knows I might come and play in your guys playground some day..

[R Hollingsworth]

I would think with Profiler heads you would have the extra HP in reserve:D. The guy who won Sunday has a stock style head, some type of Edelbrock. Curtis Boggs ported, supposed to make around 1100HP. He had a old style controller and was rolling out a long way before it came on. I think it went 127mph on the 5.58 pass. Anyway you look at it he's hauling AZZ!! You should'nt have any problem running a number Vern, pretty sure he was using a 61 pill..
May try and make the last OSM race. Whats the payout??

[DPouw]

$1000 1st and $300 R/U. with a $95 entry fee.

[inthe5s]

I would think with Profiler heads you would have the extra HP in reserve:D. The guy who won Sunday has a stock style head, some type of Edelbrock. Curtis Boggs ported, supposed to make around 1100HP. He had a old style controller and was rolling out a long way before it came on. I think it went 127mph on the 5.58 pass. Anyway you look at it he's hauling AZZ!! You should'nt have any problem running a number Vern, pretty sure he was using a 61 pill..
May try and make the last OSM race. Whats the payout??

curtis heads can make 1100 hp I seen this first hand . then he spays it mmmm . I did go faster but I would have to add the weight and that may have an neg efect on ET but like I said before it was the fist time I ran the tire so I might be able to run with you guys we will see

[Kelly Pelrine]

$1000 1st and $300 R/U. with a $95 entry fee.
and $50 for semi's

[R Hollingsworth]

Thats a good payout!! Is the last race at Bloomfield IN??
Hopefully I'll get the car back together, working on getting a new set of pistions if this comes together gonna change the stroke. If cant get the pistions in time just have to put it back to 421:(
Do they allow as small of a pill as I run in the OSM:p8.5 I have heard some of the people are gassin hard!! Your not doing that ru Inverno;);)

[Kelly Pelrine]

Yep last race is Bloomfield on the 27th :)

[DOTY]

YA, WE GOT A TORQUE ARM FOR IT. I EVEN CHECKED TO SEE IF IT WOULD FIT AND THERE WAS NO ISSUES I COULD SEE. KINDA PLANNED IT THAT WAY BACK AT THE TIME. I AM CLOSE TO FIGURING IT OUT WITH THE THREE LINK, SO NO TORQUE ARMS FOR NOW, YOUR GROUP IS THE ONLY ONE STICKING TO NOT ALLOWING VERN'S 3 LINK SETUP, OUTLAW RULES EVERYELSE. MAYBE AFTER THE SEASON I WILL DO SOME TESTING WITH IT AS I WANT TO KNOW, " MAY BE BETTER " BUT NOTHING IS EVER LEARNED BY FOLLOWING THE LEADER TO A "T".

I will be testing 1 or 2 more times before our last race with the current setup.

sorry for the caps, just looked up.

Doug...

[inthe5s]

Thats a good payout!! Is the last race at Bloomfield IN??
Hopefully I'll get the car back together, working on getting a new set of pistions if this comes together gonna change the stroke. If cant get the pistions in time just have to put it back to 421:(
Do they allow as small of a pill as I run in the OSM:p8.5 I have heard some of the people are gassin hard!! Your not doing that ru Inverno;);)

well what do you call hard ????

[R Hollingsworth]

Sep. or Oct. ????
Heck Vern anything over 73 pill is huge for my junk:p
If the race is on Sep 27 dont know if i can make it, that is my wifes birthday:rolleyes: Maby can work that out the day before.
Just got the crank and slugs on the way so looks good on time.
How bout those 15 pass tires Doty??

[inthe5s]

well I use 120s so I guess I spray this shit out of my junk

[Kelly Pelrine]

Sep. or Oct. ????
Heck Vern anything over 73 pill is huge for my junk:p
If the race is on Sep 27 dont know if i can make it, that is my wifes birthday:rolleyes: Maby can work that out the day before.
Just got the crank and slugs on the way so looks good on time.

Its Sept 27th.... bring her with ya :)

[DOTY]

Tires are laying in the shop for ya as asked !!!!!

[DPouw]

I must say Robert, you have/had your car rolling period. Especially, if your using less than a .073 jet. I read you had a .055 in at the time I think, that's even more impressive. I just can't seem to figure out just how your spraying your car with such a small shot and picking up the ET and MPH unless your less than 3200lbs. What weight were you when you went the 5.53 at 125? Either way you must have a very efficient converter. It used to sound like your at 6000 rpm's on the brake. :smt119 Hats off to both you and Gerald for fine tuning your combos on those radials. Keep us updated on if you guys are coming to ET on the 27th. Glad to here the damage wasn't as bad as it could have been. This sport takes enough money as it is. That's why I let Art sponsor me.:smt118

[R Hollingsworth]

We changed the tq conv. and the rear gears, its a 9" conv and 430s. Seems to run better that way, with the loose conv I was ringing the guts out of the motor leave at 7000 shift low to high @8500 go through lights @ 8300 that was also with 500 rear gear!! I guess it just is more efficient with the tight conv.
Crank is gonna be here Monday, the pistions week after then maby we can make some big HP!! Also had CFM do my carb and calibrate for Q-16 so maby all this junk together will help out. I guess we have the Glidden theory bild all the power u can and add a little spray;)

[DPouw]

Good to see you've got everything on it's way. We run 4.30's too. The only problem is the converter only goes to 3700 on the break right now. We've been working on a few things to help our efficiency. The engine is making plenty of power, just need to get the converter and chassis dialed in a little better. Maybe one of these days we'll make it to the same track. Right now it's gonna take all we got to keep up with that light weight BB running 5.50's at 129mph that Vern's driving. Vern must have felt sorry for us since he added weight to the car on his own. He's was over 3100lbs. at edgewater.:smt102 Hopefully, we'll be back at the track testing some new things next Friday with good results. If you don't mind sharing, what kind of slippage are you seeing on the converter since you had it tightened? We're currently at 5% and I've been contiplating loosing it up just a little. I figure your HP numbers should be somewhat close to ours.

[R Hollingsworth]

My convertor has about 8%. Its a 9 th OO PTC it goes to 4700 on the brake. With the 55pill it goes 5300 on the leave, needs to be about 6000. I had got a new one that is a 9" th10 sl PTC supposed to be looser on start and tighter on big end, may not need it since changing stroke in motor may end up with the same one in the car. I guess just have to wait and see what the dyno says!!

[DPouw]

Good deal. Ours flashes between 5600&5900 with a little bigger jet. It all depends on how much timing I pull on the hit. The converter is a bit to tight on the start. It's weird how close the number are. Your converter should be about right with the extra CI and HP. Like you said only the dyno will tell. Keep us posted and good luck getting the engine back up and runinng.

[stracer859]

hmm damn maybe thats why my junk is so slow,, it will only go 4200 on the brake and i 2 step it at 3500,, dunno what it flashes to tho ?? in the process of putting a racepak on it, if i dont tear it apart before then

[DPouw]

Good to see you've got everything on it's way. We run 4.30's too. The only problem is the converter only goes to 3700 on the break right now.

Tim, you will get alot of useful info from the racepack. Our converter is tight as hell and I two step it down too. All you need to do is learn how to use the info to your advantage. It takes time.

[stracer859]

yeah one of these years ill get something done,, thinkin about tearin the whole car apart and starting over, i got some new parts thats been layin around since march that want to get out of the boxes.

[craig w.]

You guys are definitely flying. I was hoping to get closer to the .50s last night, but the heavy dew at the Bounty Race just wasn't going to allow it.

Ended up hurting the motor in the semis and running the finals anyway. Got lucky and got the win with a 5.83 on 7 cylinders.

Broke a rocker stud, spit the lifter up out of its bore and the pushrod wedged between the block and the cam. Hopefully the cam is OK.

[DPouw]

Sorry, to here that Craig. Are you planning on trying to get the motor fixed in time for the last bounty race? I was glad to see that 5 cars showed. I can understand part breakage. We broke the ring and pinion about 2 months ago on the launch. It has taken us until now to fix all the things that were broke just from that one incident. Everytime we went out to test, we found something else wrong. I would have never thought all the chatter (almost like hard tire shake) from the gears giving would brake so much stuff. Now things are working right again. We'll need it to run with Vern. I wish you well getting things back togehter. Maybe we'll make it back down sometime.

[craig w.]

Thanks David. The damage isn't too bad as long as there are no surprises once I get the cam out. I should have it back together before the next Bounty Race on the 27th.

[R347GT]

Major bumer Craig! See if you can find a Ford crank for it, LOL! Just messin with ya! Whatever you guys have in your cars you'd better start pullin out Because otherwise Vernon will be in the House! Vern those wheel stands were instanity man! It's goint to be interesting to see you guys get together and duke it out! Gloves off hopefully if everyone shows it'll be just like old osca times, except an actual purse! How cool would it be to see Pouw, House, Watson, Hollingsworth, Boyd, Bramwell, Johnson, and others duke it out wheelstand capleable sounds like a recipe for fans in the stands!! I think if could get 15+ cars at the Valley it would show the Valley we're ready for a series!

[Kelly Pelrine]

How cool would it be to see Pouw, House, Watson, Hollingsworth, Boyd, Bramwell, Johnson, and others duke it out wheelstand capleable sounds like a recipe for fans in the stands!!
Come out to ET on the 27th & you'll see most of them! ;)

[R347GT]

Kelly I like your rules and everything about your racing organization, but wish we could put something together down in Ky! I may try to make it up!:drinkers:

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly I like your rules and everything about your racing organization, but wish we could put something together down in Ky! I may try to make it up!:drinkers:
Thank you.... and i know what you mean. To me its nothing to drive hours for a race because i have been doing it for many years with other Orgs. But its nice to have something close to home also. Hey ya never know in the years to come maybe OSM will get big enough where i can have a North and South series :eek: :rolleyes: But for now i am looking at just one track for next year. Hope ya make it to ET!

[R347GT]

Et is the track in Cincinnati right!? Or near there!?:confused:
I may think of running there next year if cash flow permitts!

[R347GT]

:supz:have you done any testing lately, you should have came on out to the valley! You and some others are going to have to step up BIG! To catch the new man in the house if you know what I mean!:peeing:supz:YBBitch:

[Kelly Pelrine]

Et is the track in Cincinnati right!? Or near there!?:confused:
I may think of running there next year if cash flow permitts!
No its in Bloomfield, IN its not near Cincy. Next years track hasnt been determined yet, i should know something by the end of the month.

[R347GT]

Just my two cents but the futher south the better! I think you'd pick up a bunch of racers! Goodluck Kelly you have a class act racing organization.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Just my two cents but the futher south the better! I think you'd pick up a bunch of racers! Goodluck Kelly you have a class act racing organization.

Thanks! Never know..... but our fan base is around here (NKY/Cincy). It might hurt us to go too far south. We pull from MI & N Ohio too so either way it'd hurt really. We're better off up here. OVOS has a pretty good cover on their classes. I know everyone down there wants 8.5 but at least Jim at I40 is tryin it out at his track. If Verns race goes well maybe Terry will let it back in. I know i tried to get him to have 8.5 this year even though it might hurt me. Hell im happy to have those guys!