Small Turbo project

[mrmike]

I have been working on getting my 66 Dodge Charger together. It has a 509ci KB alum block and B1TS heads with a 106mm precision turbo. I know its mopar stuff and it might be strange to some of you, but I hope it works well!
Here is a link to see some of the things we have done.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ss66charger@prodigy.net/album?.dir=deab&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

[Monty Mikho]

Dude that is bad ass!!!

[85Camaro]

:smt103 Crazy

[LTLHOMER]

Is the motor going in the back or just the turbo?

[sam curry]

thats a good looking ride but aint it going to get pretty hot with turbo inside the car the do glow a nice cherry red under load

[redvictor]

i'd like to know how long those headers are going to be,and the oil return will be difficult.....man,it'll take an age to spool up with 6ft long headers...lol
Car is sweet though....for a Dodge....

[85Camaro]

Bevins car just comes to mind with the turbo BOOM... ouch

[mrmike]

Dang, you guys are right so I will move it!
Oil is provided by an indepent system(cooler,more control over oil and no cross contamination.) Heat and "boom" factors covered by the tunnel material and design and custom "Boom" blanket.
Ever seen a twin turbo setup with the turbos next to the firewall, spinning towards the driver? Trust me that firewall does not have crap on what we have come up with!
Has far as spooling, with this engine and proper AR ratio and pipe diameter, should not be a problem.
We have been working on this for awhile and it should work. I hope! All we can do is try!
But please keep the questions comming, so we can work on the things we are missing! Mike.

[85Camaro]

Dang, you guys are right so I will move it!
Oil is provided by an indepent system(cooler,more control over oil and no cross contamination.) Heat and "boom" factors covered by the tunnel material and design and custom "Boom" blanket.
Ever seen a twin turbo setup with the turbos next to the firewall, spinning towards the driver? Trust me that firewall does not have crap on what we have come up with!
Has far as spooling, with this engine and proper AR ratio and pipe diameter, should not be a problem.
We have been working on this for awhile and it should work. I hope! All we can do is try!
But please keep the questions comming, so we can work on the things we are missing! Mike.

Were not trying to bust balls or anything just commenting that's all.. On a serious note I think it's neat I like seeing people breaking the mold and doing things different. If everyone did the same thing racing would be boring. Good luck and keep us udated on that beast...:D

[mrmike]

Were not trying to bust balls or anything just commenting that's all.. On a serious note I think it's neat I like seeing people breaking the mold and doing things different. If everyone did the same thing racing would be boring. Good luck and keep us udated on that beast...:D
I Didnt mean to come off that way at all! I know its a little different and makes a few questions pop up, but thats why I like it!!!
Trust me I need all the help I can get! Mike.

[sam curry]

i like the idea of the cool breeze you should get as it passes by you on its way to the inlet

[Maliboost]

that thing is pretty wild. My first thought is that the header lengths are gonna be "real long". but what about those guys that are pushing thier air charge all the way to the trunk for the IC?

the big difference I think though............. heat. its the thing thats never talked about. some folks think that the energy from the heat in the exh contributes to as much as 30% of the energy to spin the turbo. if thats the case, then there is gonna be a problem with efficiencies. it might be made up with a smaller Exh housing on a larger compressor, but....................... I just dunno.

Please keep us updated on how it works. for sure its gonna be WAY BAD!!!!!

bob

[Camaro_Dave]

maybe ask these guys a few questions ststurbo.com
they build rear mounted turbo systems. i'm sure you could learn a lot from their experiances

[mrmike]

maybe ask these guys a few questions ststurbo.com
they build rear mounted turbo systems. i'm sure you could learn a lot from their experiances
My chassie guy became a dealer for them{STS} after they saw what I was doing! He has installed a few kits and heat did not seem to be a factor.

[Camaro_Dave]

yeah its pretty wild what they've done. they are only a few miles from where i live (utah) there are tons of cars and trucks runnin around with the kits on em.

[mrmike]

Dude that is bad ass!!!
Thanks, Monty. We spoke a long time ago when I was thinking about doing the efi/nitrous setup. My plans kinda changed, again! How is your ride doing? That thing looks great!!! Mike.

[Six_Shooter]

I really don't think spool time is going to be a problem, the pipes will not be overly long and I'd surmise a larger diameter to get the flow there, velocity will be a key factor here, where you could run a rather seemingly small pipe from the collectors to the turbine inlet, to keep the velocity up. I'd say there is going to be no more than about 4' maybe 5' between the collector and the turbine inlet. Think about where long tube headers dump, and where that turbo is. ;)

Some front mounted turbo systems have two or three feet of pipe between the collector and turbine. ;)

Also factor in that this car will most likely have an automatic, which means spool time is irrelevant, Pre stage, Stand on the brake and the gas, build boost, stage, while keeping boost up and launch at what ever pre-determined boost level you set. Then in the gear changes the turbo will need to slow down anyway to make boost levels, so spool time is again irrelevant.

Weight is in the right spot, above and just forward of the rear end, and I bet that turbo aint light. ;)

Short exhaust post turbine, again, promoting quick spool. No worries of "Is that 5.5" tube going to fit?" It will, since there's no real floorboards to worry about.

The path from the Compressor to the TB will be shorter than ANY front mount system that employs those passenger seat igloos, again, promote quicker build up of boost in the intake tract.

The only issue I see with this, is how to get fresh clean air to the turbo. You don't want to suck it up under the car, because that will be heated from the engine ahead of it, also debris could be there, sucking up even a pebble could mean disaster. Probably a LARGE tube from the compressor inlet to the Cowl area would be the best, or out the side of the car through the quarter panel, but that would take away from the over all look of the car. Roof scoop? :lol:

Overall, I LOVE IT!

I hate remote mount systems, but for this application, that's awesome!

The car looks great too, I've always been a fan of those cars, and I'm a bowtie wearer. :o

I can't wait to see more progress on this, and how it ultimatly works.

Now if I could just get some time to work on my projects. :(

[Maliboost]

what is the 3rd cell for? you have one for the IC, one for fuel & one for ?????

Bob

[mrmike]

what is the 3rd cell for? you have one for the IC, one for fuel & one for ?????

Bob
Cant let all my secrets out!!!

[Maliboost]

It was an innocent question. LOL. Where the heck is "Agent 1320" (aka "the guy in the know") when you need him.

Bob

[Monty Mikho]

Thanks, Monty. We spoke a long time ago when I was thinking about doing the efi/nitrous setup. My plans kinda changed, again! How is your ride doing? That thing looks great!!! Mike.

Dang is that really you? Damn talk about a change.. I like it when people think outside the box.. :)

[Monty Mikho]

The 3rd cell is an ice tea machine.. :)

[Six_Shooter]

Going through this thread again, I see people worried about the turbo blowing up. I haven't seen catastrophic failure of a turbo yet, anyone have any pics or video?

[Six_Shooter]

Hmmm, I don't know if this is really going to effect you or not and I haven't personally verified the info, nor how it applies to any classes in particular, but I am reposting this from another site:

NHRA rules say the turbo has to be in the engine bay? :-?
yup, 2006 Rule Revisions: Page 54 (2/06)

Exhaust System: Add to section, "Turbo applications, aftermarket header permitted – turbo must be located in engine compartment."

Page 57 (3/06)

Could put a little rain in your parade. :(

I wonder what the reason is behind that rule?

[mrmike]

Hmmm, I don't know if this is really going to effect you or not and I haven't personally verified the info, nor how it applies to any classes in particular, but I am reposting this from another site:



Could put a little rain in your parade. :(

I wonder what the reason is behind that rule?


Stock

Page 53 (12/05)

Connecting Rods: Add to end of section, "Cylinder block housing bore size and rod bore housing size must maintain sizes as designated per NHRA's approved rod listing."



Page 54 (2/06)

Exhaust System: Add to section, "Turbo applications, aftermarket header permitted – turbo must be located in engine compartment."

This is how it is listed on the NHRA web site. I copied this from there. I think it is ment for the class "Stock". But , I will check into it! Thanks, for the look out!!! Mike.

[idoxlr8]

Very Cool

[mrmike]

Very Cool
Thanks, Mike.

[Six_Shooter]

Ok, here is some additional info posted on the same site I got that from...

I figured it only effected certain classes.

i got this directly fom the sts web site

This new NHRA rule has nothing to do with STS customers taking their cars to the track. None of the vehicles that we currently build turbo systems for came equipped with factory turbochargers. So these vehicles will not be allowed to race in the STOCK or SUPERSTOCK class with a turbocharger anyway. If a track official questions the location of the turbocharger on one of our systems (relating it to this new rule) the track official needs to contact the NHRA Techline because this rule only applies to STOCK and SUPERSTOCK racing classes

[mrmike]

Ok, here is some additional info posted on the same site I got that from...

I figured it only effected certain classes.
Thank God! You about gave me heart failure!!!! Once again, Thanks for the info. Mike.

[Six_Shooter]

So any updates on this?

I was hoiping there would be some new pics, but there are only the same ones I seen when you first posted this thread.