Big Stuff 3

[Monty Mikho]

Sparky, I currently use a FAST EFI unit. I am thinking about switching to a Big Stuff 3 as everything I have been hearing about it has been positive. Question is what are your thoughts on the unit. Is it better or is their something better? Also how and who can I buy a unit from? Thanks in advance for the help :D

[Juiced10.5]

Sparky is a dealer. I'm in the market for one myself along with the Ultra Dash to go with it. :Party

[Sparky]

Monty,
Things have been very, very busy here, but I would like to take a moment to crawl out from under the mushroom I been hiding under, comment on the Big Stuff 3 system and some other exciting things that have happened and are happening here at Wires & Pliers.

I have installed a couple of John’s systems recently and I have recently become a dealer for Big Stuff 3, Thank you John.
Furthermore, I can install the system correctly without problems. I think one example that speaks louder then words are the Lynch/Petty gang. I rewired that car and Installed BS3 on it. The slowest that car has been since leaving my shop is a 7.17, we all know what performance gains the car has seen in recent outings, a string of 4.40’s in the 1/8th, a string of 6.80’s in the ¼ and even a 6.79!! I have been the only major thing Petty and Lynch have done to that car since before Huntsville, since then the car has been setting records and winning events. I strongly feel that me rewiring that car, setting the electrical system up properly and the Big Stuff 3 has a large to do with the performance gains that car has made recently. Regardless of what EFI Management System is being used, in short, something happen in my shop, period!

Mr. Petty’s comments to me on the BS3 system were very encouraging. Steve tuned some of the driveability and spooled the car at my shop, prior to going to the chassis dyno. He told me that the car acted completely different, that it would started instantly with no long crank time and it seemed cleaner driving it form the trailer to the dyno and back. Even at Orlando when we talked, he again commented on how well mannered the car is down low with its “street manners”. Steve also commented on how much fuel he pulled out of the car, over the previous fuel management system and how well the car reacted when he made changes to the tune up, every little change he made the car reacted.
Once at the dyno the car made awesome power, we made about 12 to 15 hits that day and never had a glitch, in fact the car has run without a glitch since it left here in late September. The Ignition box nor the BS3 have not left the car, no BS3 glitches or misfires, the car has performed flawlessly.
I also rewired and installed a Big Stuff 3 system along with a Race-Pak Dash in John Cunningham’s 1966 Chevy II Wagon, this car features a Newer Trailblazer Inline 6 cyl engine with a Precision 88mm Turbo, it has the stock block, stock crank and stock cyl head, this car has been 8.62 @ 174 mph in true street drivable trim. It has run Hot Rod Magazines Pump Gas Shootout and most recently, Hot Rod magazines Drag Week. Look for it to whoop ass in 2006……

The systems I installed into both cars have a pretty extensive data logger system. It has an internal logger which records all of the EFI data, (Air/Fuel, O2 Correction, TPS, MAP, Coolant Temp, Air Temp, Timing, etc). This system also has an external data logging system the can monitor Oil Pressure, Fuel Pressure, Turbo Back Pressure, Turbine Shaft Speed, Input Shaft Speed, Drive Shaft Speed and Pan Vac, which can also support a Race-Pak dash!
That’s pretty bad ass, you can have an EFI system, a full Data Logging System and drive all your Gauge/ Tach information with one unit and save a considerable amount of money, Vs buying all separate systems to support all of the above. The other real cool option the BS3 has is its internal data logger, you don’t need a laptop in the car or a add-on-logger to record data, the BS3 does it all. Prior to the run, you arm the logger and after the run you disarm the logger. You then have a half hour to retrieve the data from the BS3, which is done very easily as well. All you have to do is hook up to the BS3 with the BS3 program open, hit the F9 key, the data is instantly downloaded to your laptop within seconds and is displayed and saved, that’s it. You also have the ability to turn on and off different channels when viewing the data on your laptop.

I have installed 2 systems with the Race-Pak Dash option and all I can say is WOW!! This thing is too cool.
• The dash is totally configurable with a laptop.
• There are 3 different screens to set up and monitor EFI information along with the external data logging information (Oil Pressure, Fuel Pressure, etc).
• The Dash comes with 2 internal warning lights and the ability to drive a 3rd external warning light.
• The Dash will support an external shift light.
• It is fully back lit for night applications and can be adjusted through the dash.
• It looks really really cool and you’ll be the envy of all your friends!!

With the people I work with and talk to, there are a lot of good things being said about Big Stuff 3. Furthermore, with all that Big Stuff 3 has to offer and its cost effective pricing, Big Stuff 3 is quickly becoming the EFI of choice. I feel the performances levels of listed racers below speaks pretty loud of what the Big Stuff 3 is capable of:
• Petty and Lynch, the first in the 6’s, 4.40’s in the 1/8th , 6.79 and a slew of 6.80’s
• David Hance, 7.02 right out of the trailer with a brand new car, followed up by a 6.85 and running 4.46 and 4.47 to the 1/8th with his Outlaw 10.5 car and with his Pro Street car, 6.51 and 6.55, which is one of the quickest automatic cars in the country.
• Mark VanMeter and Joel Greathouse, 7.06 at Orlando
• Brian Carpenter, Runner up in outlaw 10.5 at Orlando.
• Troy Coughlin, Winner of the Big Dog Shootout.
• John Cunningham, 1966 Chevy II Wagon, 8.62 @ 174 with an inline 6.

Late 2005 and into 2006 have been really exciting at Wires & Pliers, a website update is underway. Listed below is a list of companies Wires & Pliers has recently become dealers for:

http://upload2.postimage.org/143470/BigStuff3Logo.jpg (http://www.bigstuff3.com)


http://upload2.postimage.org/143477/Race_PakLogo.jpg (http://www.racepak.com)


http://upload2.postimage.org/143480/FASTXFILogo.jpg (http://www.fuelairspark.com)

http://upload2.postimage.org/143819/NLRAMS1000.jpg (http://www.nlrsystems.com)

I hope this helps,
Sparky

[Monty Mikho]

Cool thanks Juice. I know he's been pretty busy lately and didn't wanna bug him. Sparky I need a Big Stuff 3 unit. Please e-mail me a method of payment and I will send it out to you.. Thanks :D

[Juiced10.5]

Cool thanks Juice. I know he's been pretty busy lately and didn't wanna bug him. Sparky I need a Big Stuff 3 unit. Please e-mail me a method of payment and I will send it out to you.. Thanks :D

Monty, You can send me the check or credit card info and I'll make sure he gets it. :-D

[Sparky]

LOL,
ok Juiced, you be the money man.....

Monty,
I accept Cash, Checks, Visa and Master Card,
Let me know

[Mark Kasperan]

Sparky, I'm also looking at the Big Stuff 3 could you pm a price for BS3 with the canbus for the data logger and the a price on the ultra dash? It's for a turbo car if that makes a differents. Thanks Mark

[Sparky]

Mark,
Please call me and we can discuss your particular needs and pricing.
(810) 229-9688

Thank you,
Sparky

[Mark Kasperan]

Thanks Mike.

[Performance Welding]

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[Sparky]

The new XFI FAST System is a great system and is comparable in price. I am a dealer for both. I’m told they do offer a Dash and they will have more information to me about this.

The XFI does not have an internal Data Logger, but they do have an external Data Logger. The internal logger is not by fault of the system, it has more to do with the NHRA classes not allowing Data Loggers in the sportsman classes. Although it is heavily debated at FAST to have an internal Data Logger, it might be something that is integrated down the road.

FAST has a great support team without a doubt. I too do my best to support with the FAST systems with Questions and/or concerns.
Recently a support team was brought to Big Stuff 3’s attention. As of last week, Don Bailey and Steve Petty are handling all Tuning concerns and Wires & Pliers is handling all Electrical concerns, we are available via phone, E-mail, Dyno and Track side anytime. There is also a Tech Forum underway and will soon be added to Big Stuff 3’s Site, this will also be supported by the three of us.
Big Stuff 3 is currently working on a press release

No Wide Band O2 is going to stand up to leaded fuel, do some research and you’ll learn that all Wide Band O2’s are not a big advocate of being used with leaded fuels.
In comparison, Fast Wide Band O2 sensor sells for $350.00 It is a fully calibrated sensor and screws right in. The FAST sensor is made by NGK and FAST feels this O2 best supports their system for their specific applications.
Big Stuff 3’s Wide Band O2 is $100 and it to is already calibrated. All you do is install it. In talking with Steve Petty and Don Bailey, they have not seen any O2’s Burnt up on Big Stuff 3 systems, I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but these two guys tune a lot of systems and if there was a problem, I think one of these two would be experiencing problems with them.
More times then not, it is due to over tightening the sensor. The sensor only needs to be snug and don’t tolerate being handled by a gorilla.

[LTLHOMER]

I run bs3 and love it. I have called John a few times and he's always been very helpful. I haven't even got to use all the features yet, but I plan to do some racing this season and look forward to using the data-logging feature extensively.

[Performance Welding]

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[Sparky]

I don't know how your information comes to you, but that isn't even anything close to the truth.
John has marketed his first generation bank to bank system (BS1), with MSD.
One of the reasons for this is so the Sportsman classes amongest the IHRA and the NHRA now qualify for contingency through MSD for running the system.
One of the other reasons for the "Merger", is that MSD is going to support the system technically. This only applies for the 1st generation Bank to Bank system, not the current Big Stuff 3 system, don't get them confused.

[homerwithatude#1]

I was at SEMA, and heard the same thing... that MSD was buying it because of financial constraints, also I thought at one time that the owner of BS 3 was being sued by DFI and Federal Mogul for patent stuff...? is that true?

[Sparky]

I would like to clear up some confusion,
We live in a very exciting time with technology, it seems what is hot today is cold tomorrow with as fast as technology is moving.
Recently, I was asked what is the best EFI Management System on the market. In my opinion I don’t feel that there really is a “best system”. There are a lot of variables between systems, that can help the end user make a valid decision on which system would be “best suited” for their specific application.

One of the biggest determining factors for choosing a particular system would be the person who is going to help you tune the system. There are many “tuners” around the country today. Some of them are well rounded in all systems or a couple of systems and others like one particular brand. Buying a system that your tuner is not familiar with is only going to lead to a bad experience with that system, is that a fault of the system, no! Nor is it fault with the tuner either. Everything in a Racecar has to work together in order to get the best performance out of it. You wouldn’t run a N20 Cam in a Turbo application. It simply won’t work because it wasn’t designed to. The same can be said about having a tuner, tune on something, which they are not familiar with that specific system, it will run, but not as well as if you would have had someone tune the system that is familiar with it.

The systems that are on the market today are simply amazing, compared to the earlier versions of the late eighties and early nineties. They all have different specifics and options, but all control the same thing, Fuel Management.
Although price, options, particular needs and who is going to tune your program, should reflect your decision on choosing a system. Choosing the specific system for your application should require some research, fortunately, a lot of that research information is readily available through the EFI manufactures, Tuners and the Internet. It is worth it, because it doesn’t cost anything, to compare all systems before making a valid choice.

A few of the systems are using CAN Bus technology, this technology helps to make additions and changes to their systems easier and less expensive. CAN Bus technology has made some big advancements in the OE Automotive world, it has dramatically changed the Electrical Architecture in the Automobile today. It would seem only fitting for the After-market’s to keep up with this type of technology. The ability to drive a Dash or other CAN Communicated items, offers system flexibility as the technology wheel rolls forward.

I have worked with all the EFI systems on the market. From an electrical stand point they are all very different and require different specifics to work properly. One of the biggest issues an EFI company has to deal with is Electrical issues.
I have offered FAST and Big Stuff 3 my support services to help customers with Electrical issues and/or concerns. I would like to think that this has helped Big Stuff 3 and FAST in having their systems installed correctly.

These systems are very advanced in there design, in saying that, they have specific requirements from an installation stand point. These companies try to point that out in the instruction manuals, which are included with the systems.
But in many cases, these specifics are not adhered to. This leads to a phone call to Tech support.
In order to get everything out of a system that it has to offer, it is important that all Wiring instructions be followed specifically.
For example: All of these systems seem to have very long leads for the Battery Power and Ground. In the instructions, they all say that these leads must go to the Battery. Cutting these leads and installing the power lead at some common power point and putting the ground to chassis, is not the EFI Company’s intent for these leads. More times then not, this was convenient for the customer. This convenience will only add insult to injury, because the system will not work properly, because it wasn’t installed properly and the snowball effect begins. In my experience, I have seen products not properly installed get a bad rap, because the product didn’t live up to its expectations. My thought on this is how can you have a product live up to its expectations, if it wasn’t installed properly to begin with.

As you can see, with all that the different companies have to offer, choosing an EFI Management system should not be taken lightly. You put forth a lot of effort in building your specific program. Choose the system that best suits your program.

I hope this helps clear up any confusion,
Sparky

[homerwithatude#1]

What confusion? a few days ago you had stated that the FAST system wasn't up to snuff because the software, dash , data logging , O2's , so on and so forth wasn't as good as the BS 3. Is that still the case?

[Sparky]

No! it’s not the case!
It was never a who's better then who. It was a comparison.

I also stated above that there isn't a better system then another. It is simply what works for your application.

When I became a dealer for FAST, I asked for information to support the XFI system and its capabilities, I did not and have not received any information to help support the system. I was only going on what I was told by FAST. So, I simply was not informed of all of the XFI capabilities by FAST.
Currently, FAST is in the process of providing me with all the XFI capability information.

On another note,
I guess I don't quite understand what a person’s integrity or personal business has to do with the performance of an EFI system. Whatever is going on with Big Stuff 3’s business does not pertain to you or anyone else. The only people that need to be concerned are the people involved.
Rumors will always be rumors and prove to be just that. People who post stuff like this only make themselves look as bad as the rumors. Especially when the rumor turns out to be false….
Would you like someone to post and question your business?

[homerwithatude#1]

I was just asking a question, not trying to start ANY rumors. There's plenty of those out there.

[MEAN_SBC]

I'm gonna shoot you a pm about this BS3 system Sparky.... :)

[Rleavy]

I use the dfi gen 7. Racepak has an interface that records everything from the dfi. One download from your racepak does it all. Also the software has some really cool features to get a base program for your setup. Call Job Spetter at turbo people for more specific info and pricing

[Sparky]

Race-Pak offers Interface Modules for both the FAST system and the Accel DFI system. This is a good feature for the ability to look at both the Race-Pak Data along with your EFI Data on one screen.

The Big Stuff 3 equipped with an Internal and External Data Logger will also provide the same one screen data convenience

Sparky

[FLYIN4D]

......and Monty, box up all that FAST stuff and send it my way!:-D