What rules would you like to See (Q16)

[THE SHOE]

With the meeting in Ten days what rules would you like to see changed or kept?????????????? Please keep Creative and post your real names... :smt115

[9SEC6SPD]

screw the drive, it has always been a FUCKING joke, what was it like 2 km's, lmao!!!. it is a waste of gas!!! i was fortunate enough to participate in an event where there was a real fucking cruise.

plated, insured, valid stickers on plate, reasonable interior, stock door panels and dash.

since we are at a track, why not allow an et drag, say with a tire size cap of 28" x 10.5?

please bump the minimum weight, 2800 lbs, lmao!!! raceweight here is 3470 with a small block. what can i say it is a street car.
that is all i can think of for now.

taner.....

[Adios]

Taner's right the last few drives were not worth the time it took...scrap the cruise or cruise em to port stanley one or the other...appearance at cruise night's should be good enough.Just not 5 appearance...back too 3 please (asking those guy's to load their car's on the trailer 5 time's is inhuman) :smt005

Plated... insured..somewhat respectable interior.. to hell with the door panel's..let's not get the dash thing going again here Taner :-D

I got no problem with allowing a 10.5 slick max.. no W's (go by sidewall designation) not measured..too much hassle...possibly limited to stock suspension car's only?

After careful consideration i am against all weight restriction's (took 300 lbs out of my car..and cut my beer drinking back to 5 day's a week) :-D
After all this is fastest street car in Essex County not fastest heaviest street car in Essex County :P
Actually i have no idea what my cars weigh's???...and i am not 100% against putting some weight back in it if i have too...but scaling car's is usually a problem too?


If it's plated and insured let it run
Street Car opinions differ from one person to another..there is no clear cut definition of what is streetable

These are just my view's... don't yall get your panties in a bunch :wink:

Mark

[Willytucker]

Plated (valid), Insured, exhaust and seen on the street "occasionally". Driver must be licenced for what the car is capable of running an have current chassis cert. I know that must seem obvious but it is something that has not been enforced in the past and the cars are just getting to fast to ignore it anymore. No min. weight, No max cube, No wheelie bars. Interior may be tin but MUST have a streetable appearance. Lets keep it simple guys, No muss, no fuss, line em up and lets see who has the fastest "streetcar" in essex county. Leave all the rules for the other guys :-D My .02 cents :smt038

[Daren]

A cruise is the only thing that would deem a street car a street car. A street race at 3B would consist of a drive to the doughnut hole (about 10 miles for most ) then the cruise out to 3B. About a 20 mile cruise should be enough to prove ones streetworthiness. I don't remember anyone trailering out to 3B or Sprucewood.

[Daren]

Willy just curious why no wheelie bars?

[THE SHOE]

Tire size & Type ? Min Wieght ? Wheelie bars ? #of cruise night appearances? cruise or not ? cubes to wieght ? unlimited power adders? forward facing hood scopes? Thanx Jim

[Zeke1]

I don't want to sway any vote's by posting my opinion but I can tell you what I have been hearing
1/ either go no cruise or a MUCH longer cruise
2/ either raise weight's to a realistic weight or get rid or it altogether
3/ put a max cube limit high enuff to not eliminate anyone now but to stop the raise of cube's I think the biggest now is 605 but not sure
4/raise or lower the number of night's you need to be out on the street
5/ no wheelie bar's
6/ allow slick's for car's that have 28x10.5 or smaller no W's
7/ allow a weight break for NA car's say 500 or 600 lbs
8/ interior more street and less race I won't even say the "D" word :smt005
9/ mandatory check's of plate's and insurance
10/ mandatory check's of chassis cert's and driver cert's

That should keep you guy's busy for a while :smt014

[BUTCH LaPORTE]

everyone knows if it is street driven or not. there never was a teck lane at 3b was there?if you want to fined out who has the fastes street car then screw the rules . any one with me on that one?if it is safe to drive by track standards then run the god dame thing .but if you want rules then call it q16 because it wont be the fastes street car in windsor. :smt014

[9SEC6SPD]

yeah no wheelie bars, lol!!!! now we are getting somewhere.


one more point, if killing the cruise gives us one more pass then i am all for popping the clutch at 5000 rpm :smt066

[WWEXEC]

Butch I am not sure how you can say something that is safe by track standards and is not driven on the street is able to be called the fastest STREET car. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Now Zeke rules that would make sense are:

1. Licences and certs.
2. Keep the weights the same
3. Make the cruise about 15 kms instead of 2km
4. No Wheelie Bars (possibly)
5. 200 to 300 pound breaks for NA cars
6. 5 Cruise nights with no deadline as to when they have to be out
7. Plated and Insured with proof
8. Max CI of 632
9. One power adder only

These are just a few suggestions.

[Willytucker]

Willy just curious why no wheelie bars?

Figure it would be a better show for the fans and might close the gap between the cars that rely on them and the slower ones that don't. Personally, I don't care that much...it was just a thought.

[9SEC6SPD]

Willy just curious why no wheelie bars?

Figure it would be a better show for the fans and might close the gap between the cars that rely on them and the slower ones that don't. Personally, I don't care that much...it was just a thought.

:smt023

[BUTCH LaPORTE]

track saftey rules rollcage etc and of course it has to be driven

[Willytucker]

Butch I am not sure how you can say something that is safe by track standards and is not driven on the street is able to be called the fastest STREET car. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I don't think Butch was saying "RACECARS" should be called streetcars, but that everyone would know if a given car had ever been driven on the street or strictly raced at the track. If it has been driven on the street to cruise nights or the coffee shop or wherever, then it should be able to race in the Q16 to determine who has the FASTEST "STREETCAR" regardless of wether or not is has covered door panels or if its a BB car that weighs 3000lbs or god forbid doesn't has the factory original dash :WGAF

[Zeke1]

There ya go you just had to say the "D" word didn't ya :smt013

[Adios]

I don't think Butch was saying "RACECARS" should be called streetcars, but that everyone would know if a given car had ever been driven on the street or strictly raced at the track.

Stop hanging off Butch's nut's :smt064

[nooner]

no wheel bars would be cool, us spectators love big wheelys

[davs5.0]

big wheelies, hmmmm :supz: http://upload2.postimage.org/102209/wheelie.jpg (http://upload2.postimage.org/102209/photo_hosting.html)

[James89lx]

i think that you guys are on the right track.

[sittinlow]

notice thats gbm not st thomas with that launch :lol:

[9SEC6SPD]

i have seen them on the bumper at St. thomas many a time!

[THE SHOE]

If you want to have a Wheelie Contest thats nice :smt102 But you won't see Windsors Fastest Street cars,only Guys with more Dollars then Sense :smt018

[Zeke1]

The NA meeting was held yesterday and I thought that that would be a easy one lot's of good idea's, I hope that the Q16 one this Saturday will be as easy but I doubt it probably be more :smt014 than :smt008 going on but one thing is for sure people really liked the fact that they have a say in how thing's are done and that they got to be heard.

I'd like to get more discussion's on the Q16 stuff happening so that it will be easier next week and one of the big thing's that did come up was the fact that people would like to be able to go race other head's up event's but the biggest stumbling block is that they need to add too much weight to do it so, so I would like you guy's to look at different event's like the CFSCS, OSCA and the Milan head's up class's since they are the only "local" event's and probably the only event's that people around here would run to see what class you fit into or would like to run and maybe we can try to make it easier for everyone to cross over and run other event's and if you have any suggestion's let's hear them :wink:

[Zeke1]

Come on guy's I know your not shy, speak up let's hear it, the good, the bad and the ugly what do you have :twisted:

[NO SPRAY]

I KNOW N/A CLASS HAS WEIGHT MIN BUT IS THERE A WEIGHT MIN IN THE Q16 TOO. I WOULD LIKE TO RUN THE N/A CLASS AND THE Q16 IS THIS POSSIBLE. FordRules:

[THE SHOE]

Hurry Up and let Me know the cube limit so I can pick a crank off the shelf. :D

[Zeke1]

No spray there is a weight limit in Q16 has been for a long time but it might change, as for cube limit's I think it's a good idea it should have been done year's ago the only question is where to put it there are already two 598's so should the limit be 600 or some have said it should be 632 what do you guy's think? if there is only a 400 pound spread between sb and bb but there is a 200 cube spread I know bb don't make the power per cube of sb's but still they have 50% bigger cube's but only 15% more weight so you can see that the bb have an advantage already but with bb as high as 830 cube's (and no I'm not saying some one will build a 830 but they could) where do you stop it

[NO SPRAY]

ONE POUND PER CUBE OVER 300 STARTING AT 2800 POUNDS

[Willytucker]

No spray there is a weight limit in Q16 has been for a long time but it might change, as for cube limit's I think it's a good idea it should have been done year's ago the only question is where to put it there are already two 598's so should the limit be 600 or some have said it should be 632 what do you guy's think? if there is only a 400 pound spread between sb and bb but there is a 200 cube spread I know bb don't make the power per cube of sb's but still they have 50% bigger cube's but only 15% more weight so you can see that the bb have an advantage already but with bb as high as 830 cube's (and no I'm not saying some one will build a 830 but they could) where do you stop it

LB per cube rule? Just a thought...I personally will be voting for NO WEIGHT RULE.

[Zeke1]

Willy wrote
LB per cube rule? Just a thought...

There are very few organization's that use a strait pound per cube rule for both SB and BB because it never seem's to work good, OSCA uses a base weight plus pound's per cube and it work's very well as long as the cube's on the BB are limited most street class's are limited around 500 to 525, Milan uses a strait base weight for there class's the NA class is 2950 SB and 3350 BB and too stop a dominating combo they add 50 LBS if you win twice but that's a series this is one weekend.

Willy wrote
[quote]
I personally will be voting for NO WEIGHT RULE

I would expect nothing else from you after all you DO HAVE THE LIGHTEST BB
and I know people will vote for them self's but let's look at this from a total class stand point not a your car stand point. would you still vote for no weight rule if you were 500 to 1000 lbs over weight like MOST?, would you vote for no weight rule if there were other's allot lighter than you?, would you not want to have a weight rule that is close to other class's so you can run them without adding 200 to 400 lbs and needing to weld bracket's, mount weight,buy new spring's and rescale it everytime ? just food for thought :wink:

[Zeke1]

NO SPRAY 2800 plus 1 pound per cube is a little light but a step in the right direction OSCA uses a 2900 base plus 3 per cube up to 500 then it drop's to 1.25 per cube, MOST street class's are between 3000 and 3500.


What do you guy's think about a split for BB say up to 600 is one weight but 600 to 650 is a 100# more but the LIMIT WILL BE 650 MAX

[NO SPRAY]

what does the base cubes start at 300ci?

[Zeke1]

OSCA start's at 300 cube's and add's 3 pound's per cube up to 400 then it drop's to 1.25 or 1.5 up to the limit of about 525 for true street the NA class has new rule's they are going to try this year and EZ street is a little different again but they all put you between 3000 and 3500

[NO SPRAY]

HOW ABOUT 2 POUNDS PER CUBE OVER 300CI UP TO 600CI

[Zeke1]

Well if you did a 2800 base plus 2 per cube over 300 a 400 SB would weight 3000 and a 600 BB would weight 3400......it might work

[Willytucker]

Willy wrote
LB per cube rule? Just a thought...

There are very few organization's that use a strait pound per cube rule for both SB and BB because it never seem's to work good, OSCA uses a base weight plus pound's per cube and it work's very well as long as the cube's on the BB are limited most street class's are limited around 500 to 525, Milan uses a strait base weight for there class's the NA class is 2950 SB and 3350 BB and too stop a dominating combo they add 50 LBS if you win twice but that's a series this is one weekend.

Willy wrote
[quote]
I personally will be voting for NO WEIGHT RULE

I would expect nothing else from you after all you DO HAVE THE LIGHTEST BB
and I know people will vote for them self's but let's look at this from a total class stand point not a your car stand point. would you still vote for no weight rule if you were 500 to 1000 lbs over weight like MOST?, would you vote for no weight rule if there were other's allot lighter than you?, would you not want to have a weight rule that is close to other class's so you can run them without adding 200 to 400 lbs and needing to weld bracket's, mount weight,buy new spring's and rescale it everytime ? just food for thought :wink:

Before you start breaking my balls, lets not forget I put 140lbs in my car last year to make the min weight. I do not believe that based on how much weight you put in and where you put it that it is safe to do. If I have the lightest big block car (which I don't know that I do) and you bump the min to 3400lbs that means I would have to put 300lbs in my car, thats not even legal never mind safe!!! This aside, I have always said how do you determine who has the fastest car if you impose rules??? There was never any rules when we were street racing was there??? And :WGAF about crossing over to other classes like OSCA, this is a 1 weekend a year deal for the locals.

[Willytucker]

would you still vote for no weight rule if you were 500 to 1000 lbs over weight like MOST

BTW...the min. last year was 3200lbs so can you tell me who's car even weighed 3700lbs never mind as much as 4200lbs :roll:

[BUTCH LaPORTE]

what about a min for nat car what do you think guys . 2400?

[Willytucker]

I don't care, got plates yet :-D

[9SEC6SPD]

damn i could drop my entire drive train and not weigh 2400 lbs, lmao!!!

[bigblockman]

what about a min for nat car what do you think guys . 2400?

what kind of car can get that lite? is it made out of tooth picks? can't you run the NA class? are you the one with that cool black fiberglass car?

[Adios]

Well if you did a 2800 base plus 2 per cube over 300 a 400 SB would weight 3000 and a 600 BB would weight 3400......it might work

Your going to scale all the car's and pump the motors too?...or are you taking the guy's word for engine size? Or just randomly possibly check?...i got a 255 cid just in case you were wondering...honest... really it is....i'm serious....would I lie :-D

[stangfreak]

hey willy just fill your cage with helium that should take a feww pounds out :lol:

[Willytucker]

hey willy just fill your cage with helium that should take a feww pounds out :lol:

Could fill it with nitrous and run 7 stages like zeke :-D

[Zeke1]

I would have to put 300lbs in my car, thats not even legal


never mind safe!!!

Okay first there is no limit as to what you can add for weight if you look around at some of the head's up street car's they have 400 to 500 pound's added and it is legal as long as it is mounted properly

about crossing over to other classes like OSCA, this is a 1 weekend a year deal for the locals.

That's true but we would like it to not only help the guy's to move to other venue's but make it allot easier, right now anyone that build's a car to make weight at 2800/3200 can't run any other class's without adding atleast 200+ pound's and that seem's to be stoping many people from doing so.


BTW...the min. last year was 3200lbs so can you tell me who's car even weighed 3700lbs never mind as much as 4200lbs

last year Russell was over 3800, Billy is over 4000, and if you do some research you will find that at 2800/3200 everyone last year was over the minimum with the average person being 400+ over, with the exception of You for BB and AJ for SB everyone else was over, like I said think of this from a class stand point and not just for yourself.


what about a min for nat car what do you think guys . 2400?

If we do a weight break for NA it will be in the 500 to 600 range, one being that a power adder usually will give you a second or more and two because it will help bring more car's.


Your going to scale all the car's and pump the motors too?...or are you taking the guy's word for engine size?

We don't want to do a pound per cube rule because of the work involved but with a weight adder for over 600 we will only need to do one or two car's and if need be on a protest basis

Could fill it with nitrous and run 7 stages like zeke

Now that's just mean you know I only use FIVE don't start rumour's :shock:

[NO SPRAY]

DOES SOMEONE HAVE THE TOOLS TO BE PUMPING THESE MOTORS IN THE N/A CLASS.

[Zeke1]

We will have a cuber for the event

[>X<]

IMO, this is a "fun weekend" style event. The cube rule should be run on the honour system. If a racer in the class has a doubt and wants a motor cubed then that racer should put up $100. If the motor is found to be larger than reported the car is disqualified and the $100 is returned. If the car techs the reported cubes the owner gets the cash.

[>X<]

Another thing, Russels car only weighs 3800?

[THE SHOE]

Write down all your suggestions and bring them up at the meeting :smt014 Majority rules anyway.............................. :smt102 See yaa there. P.S. Is the pizza Delisio or take out :tonqe:

[bsj]

hey shoe the pizzas take out ill save you a slice if you save me a big blue button too :)

[THE SHOE]

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