Man I gonna buy all you Repulicans..

[Monty Mikho]

one of them big #1 fingers they use at sports events. That way when you guys point fingers you can do it with authority.. :-D

[Jimmy Biggs]

:P ....I PMed ya my mailing address.....I love them things :P

[Monty Mikho]

All kidding aside, did you guys ever notice how you always blame "the last guy" or "someone else" for the problems happening today?

[Bobalos]

Dude, your just NUTS. its ALLWAYS, you demo-craps that start all the problems & then try to blame the good ones. ROFLOL.

Bob

[Monty Mikho]

Who's in office? Who's been in office for the last 5 years? Maybe the Republicans can stop blaming the democrats and get something done. Clinton never complained.. He just fixed what was wrong.. No crying this or that like some others often do... :roll:

[Monty Mikho]

When things are a mess with a company, you dont hire a new guy who will always blame the last guy for problems he faces. He takes the job knowing what the problems are and fixes them. Bush took on this job and no matter how bad things were he took on the responsibility... Now get to work and stop blaming others for problems we face today...

[Bobalos]

When things are a mess with a company, you dont hire a new guy who will always blame the last guy for problems he faces.

Have you lost your mind? who's runnin Furd now? is it the guy that got blamed for all the SUV roll overs? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. he "resigned", thats corporate for "fired because it happened on his watch", in politics, they are not as polite & tell it like it is. Dude all politicians are the same way, the all do whats on thier agenda, & nothing more, the question is where does your agenda line up with the current guy in office?


Bob

[Monty Mikho]

So crying about it will fix it? Clinton was left with the biggest deficit ever and seemed to balance it. He didn't cry and complain Bush Sr. screwed it all up.. He did what had to be done and the economy was pumpin... Again I ask someone to name one Republican president who balanced the budget.. Screw it name one that didn't put us further in the whole... Oh yeah.. The democrats are to blame... :roll:

[fasterw18s]

Monty, you amaze me with your willingness to buy into the bullshit!!!!!

Clinton did nothing, nothing to fix anything period!!!!

his hand was forced into welfare reform, he ignored the terrorist threat, he raised taxes as all dumb-ass-o-craps do as a first resort.

He lied in federal court and got nothing for it, just like you buddy sandi burglar just got away with.

He allowed the sale of computer nuclear weapon development sytems to china for campaiagn funds,

I can't believe you are so fukking blind to truth!

[Monty Mikho]

Monty, you amaze me with your willingness to buy into the bullshit!!!!!

Clinton did nothing, nothing to fix anything period!!!!

his hand was forced into welfare reform, he ignored the terrorist threat, he raised taxes as all dumb-ass-o-craps do as a first resort.

He lied in federal court and got nothing for it, just like you buddy sandi burglar just got away with.

He allowed the sale of computer nuclear weapon development sytems to china for campaiagn funds,

I can't believe you are so fukking blind to truth!

What bullshit did I buy into?

Wasn't the document of the planned attack put in front of Mr. Bush by the CIA before the 9/11 attack?

Remember this my friend, I am an American!! I flex my right to an opinion and the right to point out and questions errors when our leader makes questionable calls. This is called American. If you don't like that freedom, dictatorship is run the way you like. If you would use responses with facts and/or documentation, it makes this thread more interesting to read and may educate me. Anger often means the person has run out of facts.

So the way you are talking you hated America when Clinton was in office.. Would that be true? Because you didn't agree with his views and/or direction he was taking this country.. I think not!!! But your position seems to be that you did..

[Jeremy J]

DAMN!! Somebody took a first class train to archives, lol.

[George Klass]

Richard Clarke, who had worked under Clinton and then stayed on when Bush came into office, told Bush a dozen times, "it's gonna happen, here is how it's gonna happen and here's who's gonna do it." Bush's response? "Check with Condi Rice and ask her what she thinks."

[Chris Uratchko]

Does any of it really matter? Does anyone really care in this nation?

Unfortunately, there are not enough to care, that is makes any difference. The small amount of us here at yb.com who care? Makes no difference.... so our bitching is just bitching.

[70 chevelle]

Clinton made sure every american hade a job and every mouth was feed? He then had so much extra time and money to do Monica and then lie to the country about it. How much did he cost tax payers? Hilary didnt even have enough self respect to leave! What a great president she would make. The hell with the Clintons!!!!

[jim sciortino]

Richard Clarke, who had worked under Clinton and then stayed on when Bush came into office, told Bush a dozen times, "it's gonna happen, here is how it's gonna happen and here's who's gonna do it." Bush's response? "Check with Condi Rice and ask her what she thinks."Gee, maybe he should have told Clinton in 96', 97', 98', 99' and 2000 when they were planning, infiltraring the country, learning to fly, scaming phony IDs, staying here illegally and collecting overseas cash, what was going to happen and when and where instead of waiting for Bush to take office and give a new adminisrtation , what 29 weeks. Clinton had 5 YEARS with this shit going on right under his and the "brillant" Richard Clarke's nose.

Oh wait, I know what happened. The Clinton "justice" dept. with Jamie Gorelick, was too busy writing the "wall" memo, that kept depts. from sharing info on suspected terrorists so as not to violate a terrorists constitutional rights. Maybe he couldn't tell Clinton for fear of violating Atta's rights??? Yeah, that must be it.

Or, maybe if that RAPE ARTIST of a president had taken Bin-laden when the Sudan offered him up on a plate, none of this shit would be going on now. But I guess with him being so busy crushing the constitutional rights of American men, women and children at Waco and Ruby Ridge and busy selling reactors to North Korea and nuke tech to China for all that campaign cash he snagged from all those commie bag-men he had in and out of the White House every 10 seconds for eight years, there was just no time to worry about a world terrorist organization that declared war on America and then carried out numerous attacks. After all, whats the oval office for ..................opps, maybe I shouldn't go there. We all know what the oval office was for with Billyboy;).

That damn Bush............what a bum!!!

[jim sciortino]

one of them big #1 fingers they use at sports events. That way when you guys point fingers you can do it with authority.. :-DIs there any way mine can be customized so its the middle finger thats extended???:smt082:smt082:smt082

[duallygirl]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate all the political bullshit. Republican, Democrat, etc. They all have some good goals and they all do some bad shit. You cant fight it, so dont even try. I just post things that come across to me for all you to view. This is nothing to get your panties in an uproar about. They're gonna do what they want to when they get into office anyway. All we can do is hope for the best!

[jim sciortino]

dually, I only use panties to make soup.

[Jeremy J]

Or, maybe if that RAPE ARTIST of a president had taken Bin-laden when the Sudan offered him up on a plate, none of this shit would be going on now. But I guess with him being so busy crushing the constitutional rights of American men, women and children at Waco and Ruby Ridge and busy selling reactors to North Korea and nuke tech to China for all that campaign cash he snagged from all those commie bag-men he had in and out of the White House every 10 seconds for eight years, there was just no time to worry about a world terrorist organization that declared war on America and then carried out numerous attacks. After all, whats the oval office for ..................opps, maybe I shouldn't go there. We all know what the oval office was for with Billyboy;).

That damn Bush............what a bum!!!

Or maybe any of the BUSH'S could have gotten Bin Laden on there many "dinner" meetings they had over the decades! Or when the Bin Laden family was visiting on 9/11! Don't be jealous because Clinton was getting BJ's under the table whenever he wanted. It's better than lines of coke. How many weeks has Dumbya spent on vacation while in office?

As far as Waco? Had a Bush been in the white house you would have backed him had he done the same thing. You Rushies are so predictable, almost like a broken record.

[Jeremy J]

Is there any way mine can be customized so its the middle finger thats extended???:smt082:smt082:smt082

How about a foot that you can use to stick in your mouth?;)

[duallygirl]

dually, I only use panties to make soup.
Must be some good soup!

[jim sciortino]

Jeremy, have you ever said anything in your life that made sense???

Typical left-wing ass. Not one fact in your idiotic statement. Just conjecture and how you THINK I'll feel and how I would react to something.

Jealous of Clinton!!!HAHAHAHA Maybe the skanks he was snagging in your world warrant jealousy. Not in my world. I guess that speaks of your conquests (or lack there-of).LOLOLOLOL

So if you do something against me , I should whack your family. Nice logic.

[jim sciortino]

Must be some good soup!Its the finest soup.:smt118

[Jeremy J]

Jeremy, have you ever said anything in your life that made sense???

Typical left-wing ass. Not one fact in your idiotic statement. Just conjecture and how you THINK I'll feel and how I would react to something.

Jealous of Clinton!!!HAHAHAHA Maybe the skanks he was snagging in your world warrant jealousy. Not in my world. I guess that speaks of your conquests (or lack there-of).LOLOLOLOL

So if you do something against me , I should whack your family. Nice logic.

Jim, nope, I don't say anything that makes any sense whatsoever. Many times I just browse through the dictionary, pick words out of the blue and jot them down hoping they make a sentence. Know why I don't make any sense? Probably because I changed my party affiliation to Republican.

So are you denying that anybody in the Bush family has ever done any business with the Bin Ladens?

[jim sciortino]

Nope.

But I gotta admit I still like ya.

[George Klass]

Let's bet back to this panty soup thing, OK?

[RyonPro1]

You guys bringing up whose fault it was for the 9-11 thing got me thinking. (I could tell because I smelled the smoke.)
First let me say, I am NOT a President Clinton fan, and I think he did a LOT of things wrong.
Second, I'm a conservative, and I think President Bush has done many things wrong.

That being said. I'm not sure I can blame either one without more information.

-People talk about Bush having information about the attacks.
But how many reports of attacks did he recieve at the time. Was this the ONLY report in 2 months? Or was this the five hundreths report over the last month? It can be easy to see how things can get buried when you are not expecting or not contemplating the idea. We are losing some of the context of the time. Yes we were attacked before, but never on a scale like this. This was new for everybody. How many people have tried to attack the country in some way that we never hear about that were stopped? Zero? One hundred times a year? 9-11 was a complete paradigm shift for everyone, and hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to step back and say, well they should have did this or that.
What matters is what we do about it now.
-People also bring up Clinton being offered Bin Ladin. Now this is one I can go both ways on. I believe he was already "Most Wanted" during his time. So I can see that it seems we should have got him while we had the chance. But distance still plays into it. (I believe). Even though we had been attacked before, it never really "felt" that close to home before 9-11. At least, not enough for the people of the United States to get fired up about.
Also, I like to blame Clinton as much as the next guy. But what if he HAD got Bin Ladin? Would we have used that as another excuse about him trying to redirect resources to get the attention off the Lewinsky scandle? Just to catch some thug terrorist half way around the world? hmmm, Makes you wonder.

Shawn

[jim sciortino]

Let's bet back to this panty soup thing, OK?Its actually a very simple recipe.

Ready in just minutes...

On the stove or in the microwave.

[jim sciortino]

You guys bringing up whose fault it was for the 9-11 thing got me thinking. (I could tell because I smelled the smoke.)
First let me say, I am NOT a President Clinton fan, and I think he did a LOT of things wrong.
Second, I'm a conservative, and I think President Bush has done many things wrong.

That being said. I'm not sure I can blame either one without more information.

-People talk about Bush having information about the attacks.
But how many reports of attacks did he recieve at the time. Was this the ONLY report in 2 months? Or was this the five hundreths report over the last month? It can be easy to see how things can get buried when you are not expecting or not contemplating the idea. We are losing some of the context of the time. Yes we were attacked before, but never on a scale like this. This was new for everybody. How many people have tried to attack the country in some way that we never hear about that were stopped? Zero? One hundred times a year? 9-11 was a complete paradigm shift for everyone, and hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to step back and say, well they should have did this or that.
What matters is what we do about it now.
-People also bring up Clinton being offered Bin Ladin. Now this is one I can go both ways on. I believe he was already "Most Wanted" during his time. So I can see that it seems we should have got him while we had the chance. But distance still plays into it. (I believe). Even though we had been attacked before, it never really "felt" that close to home before 9-11. At least, not enough for the people of the United States to get fired up about.
Also, I like to blame Clinton as much as the next guy. But what if he HAD got Bin Ladin? Would we have used that as another excuse about him trying to redirect resources to get the attention off the Lewinsky scandle? Just to catch some thug terrorist half way around the world? hmmm, Makes you wonder.

ShawnWe should be electing presidents that get "fired up" for us. After all their No.1 job is protecting the people.

If there was no Lewinsky scandal Clinton wouldn't have to worry about people saying he was trying to divert attention now would he. Which is one of the main reasons a president can't be so RECKLESS in office. It leaves him vunerable to his critics when a real problem faces the nation. Clinton compromised himself and has only himself to blame.

[Mike Swann]

THe Dimmies will envite Osama bin Ladin to the whitehouse, have dinner, make nice and we will live happily ever after, lol.

[Horndog]

We should be electing presidents that get "fired up" for us. After all their No.1 job is protecting the people.

If there was no Lewinsky scandal Clinton wouldn't have to worry about people saying he was trying to divert attention now would he. Which is one of the main reasons a president can't be so RECKLESS in office. It leaves him vunerable to his critics when a real problem faces the nation. Clinton compromised himself and has only himself to blame.



Jim, it wouldn't have mattered if sickster wasn't getting a hummer, your repubs in office at that time and those still there now hated the guy .... PERIOD. Hated him from the first day he took office.

I'm in no way defending the slime bag because I still hold the office of the President up high. The blow job didn't bother me, it was his lying. But this current assbag we've had to tolarate for the last seven years has lied everyday in office and where are the calls for impeachment ? Besides, maybe if jr had gotten a few himself, he may look at things a little differently......one could only hope I guess. It's the character of the person that matters and as we've seen, since 1992 the two occupants of the office are both very flawed and very "character challenged" individuals.

But Clinton's military advisers told him what was going down and he acted. He explained it the sheep but the Repubs would have none of that as they were so intent on making an example of him and the "dems" corrupting ways.

Well look where we are today. Jim, your party is full of hipocrites. Seems to me, a former republican myself, the republican mantra been reduced to: do as I say and not as I do........just keep the money coming.

If you believe in your last statement about "blame" then you must agree that the current president, also held to your standard, is to blame for all of his recklessness.

[jim sciortino]

Just for the record. The Clinton blow job doesn't mean shit to me . But you should know as president that if you give your enemies the ammunition to shoot you don't cry when they do.

Horny, while I'm unhappy with Bush on MANY issues, there is no comparing policy failure and policy beefs with being reckless outside of the office which Clinton was guilty of. Hence the "wag the dog" problem.

As far as parties with hypocrites, I think there is plenty to go around on both sides.

And while there are plenty of repubs that have hated Clinton from day one, you aren't insinuating that dems haven't been at least as hostile towards Bush, are you???

[Jeremy J]

If there was no Lewinsky scandal Clinton wouldn't have to worry about people saying he was trying to divert attention now would he. Which is one of the main reasons a president can't be so RECKLESS in office. It leaves him vunerable to his critics when a real problem faces the nation. Clinton compromised himself and has only himself to blame.

Dude, you REALLY need some new material!!!!! I don't care if it matters to you or not. If you want to bash Clinton, find some legitimate instances.

[MagicRatt]

Dude, you REALLY need some new material!!!!! I don't care if it matters to you or not. If you want to bash Clinton, find some legitimate instances.


HUH?? Legitimate? Christ, just follow the time lines and chain of events thru the 90's..........that should be legitimate enough for ya

[jim sciortino]

Dude, you REALLY need some new material!!!!! I don't care if it matters to you or not. If you want to bash Clinton, find some legitimate instances.Hey Jer, you cannot dispute ONE thing I have stated. Why not try to address the points I've made.

Go ahead, give it a shot. It may be beyond your ability to reason, but try anyway.

Pssssssst, this will be like taking candy from a baby.:smt089

[Greg27]

-People also bring up Clinton being offered Bin Ladin. Now this is one I can go both ways on. I believe he was already "Most Wanted" during his time. So I can see that it seems we should have got him while we had the chance. But distance still plays into it. (I believe). Even though we had been attacked before, it never really "felt" that close to home before 9-11. At least, not enough for the people of the United States to get fired up about.
Also, I like to blame Clinton as much as the next guy. But what if he HAD got Bin Ladin? Would we have used that as another excuse about him trying to redirect resources to get the attention off the Lewinsky scandle? Just to catch some thug terrorist half way around the world? hmmm, Makes you wonder.

Shawn

The part I like is the fact that no good conservative will touch the fact that it was bigDaddy Bush that gave BinLadin and his tribe military training and first funding.
Jim I gotta think that if you wanna blame 911 on clinton, you should toss another pair of panties in the soup...as long as your not using your own.:-Daw:-Daw:-Daw

[Horndog]

Just for the record. The Clinton blow job doesn't mean shit to me . But you should know as president that if you give your enemies the ammunition to shoot you don't cry when they do.

Horny, while I'm unhappy with Bush on MANY issues, there is no comparing policy failure and policy beefs with being reckless outside of the office which Clinton was guilty of. Hence the "wag the dog" problem.

As far as parties with hypocrites, I think there is plenty to go around on both sides.

And while there are plenty of repubs that have hated Clinton from day one, you aren't insinuating that dems haven't been at least as hostile towards Bush, are you???


Well actually Jim, the recklessness of both of these "character challenged" individuals has occurred inside the oval office. Jr's has been above his desk, while slickster's was below his. The only ones harping "wag the dog" were the self-righteous wing nuts. They were too absorbed in their zest to impeach the guy that they wouldn't, couldn't, or see and hear what was going on in the Middle East. This is such old news.......


I do agree with you on your last two points. Both scum sucking parties are full of hypocrites, liers, and thieves. While there are many "dems" as you put it that do really dislike jr and have been as hostile, the context is totally apples and oranges; getting blowjobs Vs invading a sovereign country for a vendetta and business interests.

[jim sciortino]

I don't look at it as just getting blow jobs. I see it as leaving the country as naked to attack as Monica's fat ass.

One thing the left in this country can't seem to connect is that the Clinton adminisrtation did plenty to help pave the way for our current reality.

Remember it was shows like Meet the Press and Hardball and publications like the New York Slimes and Time that rang the wag the dog bell. Hardly the far right. What the right harped about, if you remember (because I do), is when the slickster had an "aspirin factory" leveled. Not exactly what I would call "knowing whats going on in the middle east".

How dumb did the "smartest" president ever, have to be to leave himself open to this style of attack??? Or was it he just didn't give 2 shits???

[Horndog]

I don't look at it as just getting blow jobs. I see it as leaving the country as naked to attack as Monica's fat ass.

One thing the left in this country can't seem to connect is that the Clinton adminisrtation did plenty to help pave the way for our current reality.

Remember it was shows like Meet the Press and Hardball and publications like the New York Slimes and Time that rang the wag the dog bell. Hardly the far right. What the right harped about, if you remember (because I do), is when the slickster had an "aspirin factory" leveled. Not exactly what I would call "knowing whats going on in the middle east".

How dumb did the "smartest" president ever, have to be to leave himself open to this style of attack??? Or was it he just didn't give 2 shits???


No doubt who's in office, there will be those who find fault with everything said person does.........

[jim sciortino]

The part I like is the fact that no good conservative will touch the fact that it was bigDaddy Bush that gave BinLadin and his tribe military training and first funding.
Jim I gotta think that if you wanna blame 911 on clinton, you should toss another pair of panties in the soup...as long as your not using your own.:-Daw:-Daw:-Daw I,m not a good conservative so I'll give it a shot. Check your timeline. When we helped the Musahadeen(sp), they were fighting our mortal enemies the Soviets, were they not??? Are you saying we trained them to attack us???:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

There is plenty of blame to go around, but Clinton is at the top of my list and no one will EVER convince me otherwise.

You don't want to mix too many panties in one soup. Tuna and flounder go but the last thing you want, is to add bluefish. Ya gotta be careful ;).

As for me, because your obviously wondering what type of undergarments I sport, (very clever way of asking by the way), I will make your night by telling you I usually "free-ball" it. Now stop asking me these types of questions on an open forum. Maybe try counseling. I'm kinda embarrassed for ya. ...............Sweet cakes!!! :-gay :-D:-D:-D

[Shelton_Barrs]

We should be electing presidents that get "fired up" for us. After all their No.1 job is protecting the people.

If there was no Lewinsky scandal Clinton wouldn't have to worry about people saying he was trying to divert attention now would he. Which is one of the main reasons a president can't be so RECKLESS in office. It leaves him vunerable to his critics when a real problem faces the nation. Clinton compromised himself and has only himself to blame.

X2

[George Klass]

I disagree Jim. You are not liiving in reality. The Number 1 job of the President is to get elected. And the Number 2 job is to get re-elected. Number 3 and beyond is to do what is required by the lobbiests, the major contributors and the corporations. The only thing that the people do is to pay the bills.

[Dr. Detroit]

Maybe, We all need to by guns and go postal...that is if we can afford the ammo to go in it! :smt068
lol...

[Rodz]

I don't look at it as just getting blow jobs.

Clinton was doing pretty good until the Monica issue. If that bitch would have washed that dress things might have turned out different.

[jim sciortino]

I disagree Jim. You are not liiving in reality. The Number 1 job of the President is to get elected. And the Number 2 job is to get re-elected. Number 3 and beyond is to do what is required by the lobbiests, the major contributors and the corporations. The only thing that the people do is to pay the bills.George, you are 100% correct. I mis-spoke. I should have said, the No.1 job of the president "SHOULD" be to protect the people.

[jim sciortino]

Maybe, We all need to by guns and go postal...that is if we can afford the ammo to go in it! :smt068
lol...We already have plenty.heheheheheheheehe:smt070

[Greg27]

I,m not a good conservative so I'll give it a shot. Check your timeline. When we helped the Musahadeen(sp), they were fighting our mortal enemies the Soviets, were they not??? Are you saying we trained them to attack us???:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

There is plenty of blame to go around, but Clinton is at the top of my list and no one will EVER convince me otherwise.

You don't want to mix too many panties in one soup. Tuna and flounder go but the last thing you want, is to add bluefish. Ya gotta be careful ;).

As for me, because your obviously wondering what type of undergarments I sport, (very clever way of asking by the way), I will make your night by telling you I usually "free-ball" it. Now stop asking me these types of questions on an open forum. Maybe try counseling. I'm kinda embarrassed for ya. ...............Sweet cakes!!! :-gay :-D:-D:-D

Crap and I thought the religious here were the only ones that could read whatever they wanted into somthing...
Okay I go over it a little slower this time.....What I'm saying it that it's stupid to think Clinton is any more responsible for 911 than Bigdady bush and jr.
I can just see big daddy in the oval office thinking...well, if ya wanna call it that....we take some people that have been at war with one country or another for the last couple of centuries, we give them some money and show them how to really blow shit up...and to repay America for it's kindness in teaching them all these great things they will go blow up our enamies, the Russians, afterwards going happily home..Phucking A master in policy there...isn't he......Shit at least Clinton was using that office to get a little polishing done...I doubt either of the bushes could figure out to work the phones on their own...
As for the soup, I see the conflict your suffering, don't understand it but it must be a real problem for you to walk the same walk as a Christian conservative...all the while tormented by your desire for eel soup...That just gotta be a problem for ya...but in the future try to keep some of the personal stuff to yourself, as it was way too much info...

[Damn Yankee]

Crap and I thought the religious here were the only ones that could read whatever they wanted into somthing...
Okay I go over it a little slower this time.....What I'm saying it that it's stupid to think Clinton is any more responsible for 911 than Bigdady bush and jr.
I can just see big daddy in the oval office thinking...well, if ya wanna call it that....we take some people that have been at war with one country or another for the last couple of centuries, we give them some money and show them how to really blow shit up...and to repay America for it's kindness in teaching them all these great things they will go blow up our enamies, the Russians, afterwards going happily home..Phucking A master in policy there...isn't he......Shit at least Clinton was using that office to get a little polishing done...I doubt either of the bushes could figure out to work the phones on their own...
As for the soup, I see the conflict your suffering, don't understand it but it must be a real problem for you to walk the same walk as a Christian conservative...all the while tormented by your desire for eel soup...That just gotta be a problem for ya...but in the future try to keep some of the personal stuff to yourself, as it was way too much info...

Keep drinking your Kool-Aid and licking Slick Willies Balls !!! While Bin Laden was offered to Clinton & Gore on a silver platter no less then three times, they were off in China gathering JuJu beads and singing Cum Bye Ah

[Damn Yankee]

Speaking of Slick Willie why havent we seen him on the news as of late. Hmmm it wouldn't have anything to do with his Racist comments about Jackson/Obama in South Carolina would it. The first black president Hahahahaha

[jim sciortino]

Crap and I thought the religious here were the only ones that could read whatever they wanted into somthing...
Okay I go over it a little slower this time.....What I'm saying it that it's stupid to think Clinton is any more responsible for 911 than Bigdady bush and jr.
I can just see big daddy in the oval office thinking...well, if ya wanna call it that....we take some people that have been at war with one country or another for the last couple of centuries, we give them some money and show them how to really blow shit up...and to repay America for it's kindness in teaching them all these great things they will go blow up our enamies, the Russians, afterwards going happily home..Phucking A master in policy there...isn't he......Shit at least Clinton was using that office to get a little polishing done...I doubt either of the bushes could figure out to work the phones on their own...
As for the soup, I see the conflict your suffering, don't understand it but it must be a real problem for you to walk the same walk as a Christian conservative...all the while tormented by your desire for eel soup...That just gotta be a problem for ya...but in the future try to keep some of the personal stuff to yourself, as it was way too much info...Sorry Greg, wrong answer. I"m not even remotely religious and walk nobody's walk but my own. As for the first part of your statement, I think ya better go back and check your time-line. Can another Clinton cronie help Greg out here with his inability to understand when the Soviets were in conflict with the Bin Ladens of the world.

[Ken F]

Actually, I would like a little help with a time line as well.

When was Bin Laden offered up to Clinton? (month/year)



Weren't the Russians in Afghanistan during the Reagan years?

[jim sciortino]

The Soviets invaded in the Carter years and left in the Reagan years.

I believe the Sudan offered up Bin Laden in the mid 90s. Don't remember the exact date. Maybe someone here not as lazy as me can look it up.

[Greg27]

Sorry Greg, wrong answer. I"m not even remotely religious and walk nobody's walk but my own. As for the first part of your statement, I think ya better go back and check your time-line. Can another Clinton cronie help Greg out here with his inability to understand when the Soviets were in conflict with the Bin Ladens of the world.

Donno bout the religious part but your way of making a point is right outta their playbook.
Bottom line there is nothing wrong with the time line of my statement…Bush sr was the first to fund and provide training for bin laudin…That's documented, if you’d care to check it before spewing any more sheep drivel…I don’t care when the conflict started, bush sr was the one that brought bin laudin on board…Poor judgment on his part…an affliction the seems to extend to his sheep.

[Greg27]

Keep drinking your Kool-Aid and licking Slick Willies Balls !!! While Bin Laden was offered to Clinton & Gore on a silver platter no less then three times, they were off in China gathering JuJu beads and singing Cum Bye Ah

Same thing. there dy....Your wearing the same conservative blinders and ignoring the fact that bush sr was the one that gave bin laudin the ability to be a threat....making him every bit as responsible for bin laudin as clinton is for not ending the problem when he had the chance.

Personally, I'm not a liberal...I'm not conservative...I happen to believe both parties are taking us down different paths, to the same place.
Unfortunately there's still a lot of people in thsi country that seem completely happy operating with half the map..and until that ends this place is going to continue going in circles.

[jim sciortino]

I don't know Greg, where is it documented??? If I'm not mistaken, the aid to the Afghanistan fighters was long before Bush Sr. took office.

Not that it matters cause when we helped them they were fighting the Soviets.

No adminisrtation can see into the future and predict what will happen down the road. Remember, we were once at war with England, Japan, Germany and had a cold war with Russia. Saying that helpng Bin Laden fight the Soviets makes us (or Bush Sr.) responsible for 911 is the stupidist kind of left-wing "logic". Or are you insinuating we aided Bin Laden KNOWING someday he would attack us??? Which is the most INSANE kind of left-wing "logic".

No comparison with Clinton who new in real time that Bin Laden and his group had declared war on America and had begun their attacks. All this and he still refused him from the Sudan.

PS.....ALL my points come out of my playbook, not some religious group. And just like yours or anyone else, they are just points of view.

[Greg2]

one of them big #1 fingers they use at sports events. That way when you guys point fingers you can do it with authority.. :-D

So what are you going to buy for the Libertarians?

[Greg27]

I don't know Greg, where is it documented??? If I'm not mistaken, the aid to the Afghanistan fighters was long before Bush Sr. took office.

What part of bin laudin is Afghani? He's Saudi and from a wealthy family that bush sr dealt with for years in the oil industry....Bush funded bin laudin because bin laudin wanted to go to war...not because he had to.


Not that it matters cause when we helped them they were fighting the Soviets.



No adminisrtation can see into the future and predict what will happen down the road. Remember, we were once at war with England, Japan, Germany and had a cold war with Russia. Saying that helpng Bin Laden fight the Soviets makes us (or Bush Sr.) responsible for 911 is the stupidist kind of left-wing "logic". Or are you insinuating we aided Bin Laden KNOWING someday he would attack us??? Which is the most INSANE kind of left-wing "logic".Personally i'd be a bit suspicious of anyone willing to give up the Bentley and a pampered lifestyle, to probably live in a cave and in hiding...I'd also like to know just much the bush family gained from funding bin laudin

No comparison with Clinton who new in real time that Bin Laden and his group had declared war on America and had begun their attacks. All this and he still refused him from the Sudan.why are there continuing stories that the only plane in the air after 911 was the one flying the bin laudin family out of the country? if my time line is right...that woulda been on lil gorgies shift...I heard it on national news when it first happened...but the story sure went away fast...Was that bush at his peak? Cause it sure looks like jr had the tools to find bin laudin, if he wanted to.


PS.....ALL my points come out of my playbook, not some religious group. And just like yours or anyone else, they are just points of view.Exactly, I just wanted to point out a few similarities..

[jim sciortino]

I never said Bin Laden was Afghan

I thought the Bin Laden family was mainly in consrtuction.

The Bin Laden family has spoken out against Osama for years and want nothing to do with him supposedly.

What should we have done to the Bin laden family??? The left didn't even want the captured ( on Jrs. watch ) mastermind of 911, sheik Mohammed, water boarded.

Now lets sse if I got this right (left-wing "logic" is hard for me). Bush can find Bin Laden but won't so as not to ruin oil deals???

You are quite a conspiracy theorist my friend.LOL

[jim sciortino]

If the Bin laden family is soooooooo tight and in with Osama, why would they be here when the 911 shit hit the fan. You would think he would have warned them.........no???

Unless of coures Bush told Osama he would guarantee there safety by whisking them off on US1.

Time to tune out Air(head) America. Garafolo and Penn are not the way!!!LOLOL

[Greg27]

Sorry Jim the only conspiracy I'm sure of is that of Americans government to pick the pockets of it citizens for personal gain.
The rest of it...who cares other than on this board..
Jr had the family, knowledge of lil binnies actions is irrelevant. Bottom line what better tool to find some body with or extract revenge through than his own family.. and bush for whatever reason, let it slip away..
My only point in the this whole exchange is that your attempt to place greater blame on clinton than the president preceding or following him just seems foolish to me.

Especially considering Clintons accomplishments with the economy...
For me, I'll take a guy that's happy get blown over an x drunk that pissed off at everything and has trouble tying his shoes...anyday

[jim sciortino]

Revenge, now your talk'n my language.


Yes, the government forever has been picking our pockets. Redistribution at our current level is a terrible thing. Only a couple things bother me more than womb to tomb government.