Innocent till proven guilty?

[Monty Mikho]

Innocent till proven guilty!! Is this a true statement? Are we truly innocent till proven guilty or guilty till proven innocent? Let’s use some examples:

A man breaks into your house and is robbing you blind. You get up and shoot the person and do not kill him! This will buy you a one way ticket to jail with a high likelihood you won’t be getting out anytime soon. Even if you were you would have to justify your actions rather than the person you shot justifying his.

There is a case now in courts. A man finds someone raping his daughter. He shoots the man and kills him. The shooter finds himself behind bars for a technicality with his weapon registration. He is going to most likely spend some time in prison for defending his loved ones.

I remember in a concealed weapons class the instructor making a very valid point. He said “If someone breaks into your house, draws a weapon and you kill him, do not answer any questions the police ask you” The only thing you need to say is “I shot till I stopped the aggression” and let them take you to jail. The point is; the police are not there to help you at that point. They are there to build a case for the prosecuting attorney. You will find yourself fighting for your innocence as the prosecutions and police aim to put you behind bars.

Is this truly innocent till proven guilty? Or are you guilty and need to prove my innocents?

[Sledgehammer]

Well the way the law is written when someone is killed by the hand of another they have to be charged with something. Double jeopardy application is part of the reason why this process is in place.

Just like I used to tell my employees during some conversations that they needed to be careful what they said to anyone on the management team. Some declarations will start a automatic process for liability reasons. In the same way....you need to be careful of what you say during an investigation cause it could come back to haunt you.

Oh....you can also thank the ACLU for making sure that you do not violate the perps rights during the commission of the crime. :evil:

[Mark O'Neal]

I don't beleive that there is ever a presumption of innocence.

[on3 racing]

i had a friend get a drag racing ticket because the cop was told by someone that a black convertable mustang was racing a white vette. this was on the local cruise street. a friend that was with him even told the cop "there is like 6 out here, look there goes another one" cop didnt give a fuck he got a ticker. he didnt drag race but he had to pay a lawyer 3k to get it knocked down to speeding. if he would have been found guilty he would have lost his job. all this because the cop was told by someone that he was drag racing. it was complete bullshit but what could he do. it isnt like the cops are gonna reimburse him for his attorney fees.

this is just one case, i have seen it quite a lot, cops write up ticket with no merit. if you go to court with out a lawyer your fucked, so you pay 3k just to prove your innocence. what bs!

[George Klass]

Hey Sledge, the ACLU is not out there trying to keep criminals out of jail. The ACLU is trying to keep the government from violating peoples rights under the U.S. Constitiution.

[Hemi Man]

Recently here a man was shot for breaking into his ex-girlfriends house and threatening her and her family. The new boyfriend shot and killed the man, as of today no charges were filed and according to newspaper reports none will be filed.

[Shelton_Barrs]

The laws on protecting yourself have changed gretly as of late. Castle Doctrine law is being passed in more and more states. And a lot of it also has to do with the fact that in alot of areas prosecuters know that it is almost impossible to convict someone defending themself in anything near reasonable circumstances. There was a case a few years back in New Orleans, a guy shot a theif breaking into his car from a 2nd floor balconey. It honestly should have been a murder charge, the DA refused to prosecute because he knew he couldn't convict him. People are fed up with getting robbed, mugged, car jacked, etc.

[jim sciortino]

Innocent till proven guilty!! Is this a true statement? Are we truly innocent till proven guilty or guilty till proven innocent? Let’s use some examples:

A man breaks into your house and is robbing you blind. You get up and shoot the person and do not kill him! This will buy you a one way ticket to jail with a high likelihood you won’t be getting out anytime soon. Even if you were you would have to justify your actions rather than the person you shot justifying his.

There is a case now in courts. A man finds someone raping his daughter. He shoots the man and kills him. The shooter finds himself behind bars for a technicality with his weapon registration. He is going to most likely spend some time in prison for defending his loved ones.

I remember in a concealed weapons class the instructor making a very valid point. He said “If someone breaks into your house, draws a weapon and you kill him, do not answer any questions the police ask you” The only thing you need to say is “I shot till I stopped the aggression” and let them take you to jail. The point is; the police are not there to help you at that point. They are there to build a case for the prosecuting attorney. You will find yourself fighting for your innocence as the prosecutions and police aim to put you behind bars.

Is this truly innocent till proven guilty? Or are you guilty and need to prove my innocents?Rule#1. ALWAYS kill the perp. Only one story if it gets to court.

Rule#2. Always use legal firearms (unless your doing something illegal;)).

Ruke#3. Act scared and dumb to the police and keep it SIMPLE (easy to remember).

[DHR racecars]

I have found that you are guilty until proven innocent

I am in that boat right now. :(

[Shelton_Barrs]

Rule#3. Act scared and dumb to the police and keep it SIMPLE (easy to remember).


It also helps if you are on the small side, especially helps if you are female. Me being 6'6" 220lbs has a different standard of "fear for my life" than my wife who is 5' 4". Most women, anything short of loading a 2nd clip are pretty much going to be good to go, as a man, more than a couple of shots and you can be on thin ice.

[jim sciortino]

Well Shelton, like I always say. If you can get away with snapping his neck without getting hurt, go for it.

[DHR racecars]

It also helps if you are on the small side, especially helps if you are female. Me being 6'6" 220lbs has a different standard of "fear for my life" than my wife who is 5' 4". Most women, anything short of loading a 2nd clip are pretty much going to be good to go, as a man, more than a couple of shots and you can be on thin ice.
True dat.
I am 6'4"240 and they think I am a weapon in my own.
My girlfriend is 5'4" and 120 so she is a target they say.
lol I'd be more afraid of her than the criminal!!!:smt119

[Shelton_Barrs]

Well Shelton, like I always say. If you can get away with snapping his neck without getting hurt, go for it.

Yes indeed, lol.