Ok Pro Streeters...

[Kelly Pelrine]

I know alot of you have been asking if we are gonna have this class for next year. I would like to, and i would like to get opinions. OSCA's (Hardinsburg) rules seem to fit alot of people. Who would be interested if i added this class in? I will need to raise some $$$ for it. I promised i wouldnt add it back till i could guarantee the purse. Ive broken down what it will take to put this class in and i think i can do it. If i can get 8 or so sponsors to kick in $1000 each this is a definite go! It will be easier that way instead of just one sponsor coming up with it all. I have some interested sponsors. So lets hear it...... whos in??? I need some feedback :)

Thanks guys!
Kelly

[1970yenko]

Kelly,
We would try and make all the races. I will pass the word and see who else might.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Thanks Rick!

Can anyone find me a decent set of OSCA Pro Street rules? From what ive been told the ones on the rules page are outdated??

Nice shot by Damon btw!

[DOTY]

Kelly, OSCA is typically slow in updating the rules for up coming seasons, so as of now 2007 is as good as it gets. I am building an new mild street car for osca but plan to cross over and run some of your events, Schedules will ultimatly decide which ones. I think we can expect to see Vernon House do the same as we are planning to work together as a 2 or more car team and hit a few races outside of OSCA.

Doug Doty...

[Vanilla]

Kelly,

Call me tomorrow....


Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly, OSCA is typically slow in updating the rules for up coming seasons, so as of now 2007 is as good as it gets. I am building an new mild street car for osca but plan to cross over and run some of your events, Schedules will ultimatly decide which ones. I think we can expect to see Vernon House do the same as we are planning to work together as a 2 or more car team and hit a few races outside of OSCA.

Doug Doty...

Yea i kinda noticed lol. I will be goin over some stuff with Justin tomorrow but i think we'll be able to get a good set of rules out. Lookin forward to having ya out! What are ya building?

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly,

Call me tomorrow....


Vanilla
oops just saw this now babe, my bad. its been a long day. can i hit ya up over the weekend?

[DOTY]

1992 camaro with a BBC N/A combination

[10.5-57]

Hello Kelly, Doug, and nilla
I would plan on being there, plus another car from St L, Mark. You make up the rules you want, I 'll try to "fit them" and support it.
I like in further south/west, but then again I could be bias!
Happy Holidays!!!!
Later, Scott

[wheelie]

What is the min weight? tire size? and would you allow tube chassis? 10.5 tire???

[Kelly Pelrine]

Hello Kelly, Doug, and nilla
I would plan on being there, plus another car from St L, Mark. You make up the rules you want, I 'll try to "fit them" and support it.
I like in further south/west, but then again I could be bias!
Happy Holidays!!!!
Later, Scott

Thanks Scott it would be good to have ya back!

[Vanilla]

Hey Kelly....

I bet with all the shopping, you forgot something... Didnt you???


Call me later this week....



Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

What is the min weight? tire size? and would you allow tube chassis? 10.5 tire???
Hi Dan,

The first year the rules were pretty open. We allowed tube chassis, 100lb for tires bigger than a 33, and had fairly decent car counts considering it was our first year. This past year we tightened up the rules (no tube chassis cars and rules more like ORSCA) and hardly anyone came out. So, i will be taking a look at alot of things and try to determine the best set of rules i can to attract as many cars as i can within the area. Everything is still up in the air right now.

Thanks!
Kelly

[Kelly Pelrine]

Hey Kelly....

I bet with all the shopping, you forgot something... Didnt you???


Call me later this week....



Vanilla

Oopsie, i sure did. If you dont hear from me, call me lol

[Kelly Pelrine]

For those of you who were looking at the OSCA Pro Street rules, do you also favor their "Modified" rules as well? Personally, i think it makes things very difficult to read the way those rules are posted. I dont see why they cant be grouped into one class (which is basically what i did this year). When you say OSCA Pro Street, are you meaning to include the Modified rules as well, or just Pro Street? The way i read it, Pro Street is a nitrous class only. Id prefer not to rule out any power adder.

Thanks,
Kelly

[Vanilla]

Kelly,

Throw the rules I sent you in the mix and see what everyone thinks...




Hope you had a good holiday....




Vanilla

[1970yenko]

Kelly,
I think you have to leave "modified" in there also because that does get a few more cars,Mike Hupp, Sam Vincent and a couple of others.
The way the rules are now I think 3 different combos have all ran within .01-.02's of each other.
Just my 2 cents.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Here are the rules we ran under for this year where pretty much no one showed up. Id like to know why (other than the payout issues) as i think these rules are decent. Can you guys go over them and tell me what you dont like? Other than people being able to weigh a bit less with OSM and less restriction on power adders, they are basically the same as OSCA (more outlaw style but still restrictive). Just wondering why we didnt have a turn out with these rules?

Body
Stock appearing body
Fiberglass, composite or other light material OK

Headlights and Tail Lights
Must have functioning headlights and taillights. They must be in the factory location and must be stock in appearance. Taillight must function with brakes.

Windshield/Windows
Lexan may be used in place of factory glass. Must be stock dimension and mount in stock location.

Body Length
Plus or minus 2” from factory dimension.

Chassis
Back half chassis only. Chassis certification must comply with the race track and/or sanctioning bodies required guidelines in regards to speeds and ET's obtained. No full round tube chassis allowed. Back half section must not extend forward past rear most portion of the K-member or cross member. Stock frame rails from the firewall forward must be retained with a minimum of four (4) inches forward of the front engine mounting plate.

Front Suspension
Stock type and configuration front suspension required. All lower control arms must bolt to the K-member or cross member. No suspension component can mount to strut tube or lower mainframe rail. After market spindles and a-arms allowed. Modifying of shock/strut towers allowed for header and engine clearance only. Must retain at least 50% of original tower. Upper strut tube may be graphed in to strut/shock tower. Spring and or shock may be relocated (tech decision final).

Rear Suspension
Any rear suspension system allowed. A minimum of two (2) hydraulic-shock absorber. No rigid mounted rear axels allowed.

Engine
Any engine size allowed. Limited to single automotive type engine.

Exhaust
Must have functional mufflers mounted in the exhaust flow (cone inserts not allowed) except turbo entries. Exhaust must be directed toward rear of vehicle and must exit at least 12” behind rear of front axle centerline.

Electronics
All electronic devices allowed except optical censoring device that work off of tree.

Transmission
Any type transmission allowed. Must have neutral safety switch.

Safety
Must have onboard fire suppression system with secondary activation switch located at rear of vehicle. One nozzle directed toward driver, two nozzles in engine compartment directed on engine. Must have drivers suit, gloves, collar, shoes and helmet for the ET you run. Certifications must comply with the track and or sanctioning bodies requirements as per speeds and ET'S obtained and type fuel being used. Driver restraint must be equipped with seat belts that meet race track's and/or sanctioning bodies requirements. Master disconnect switch is required. Must completely shut off all electrical functions. Must be located in plain view at rear of vehicle. Must be marked “off” or “push off”. (Safety Recommendation only) Parachute required. Roll cage padding is mandatory.

Interior
Must have stock dash or stock appearing dash for vehicle. Composite or other lightweight material allowed. Must have door panels.

Weights
Small Block N/A - 2200
Big Block N/A - 2600
Small Block Nitrous – 2600 lbs
Big Block Nitrous – 3000 lbs
Blowers (big block or small block) – 3000 lbs
Turbos (big block or small block) – 3000 lbs
Add 100 lbs for tires bigger than 33x10.5 W

[Kelly Pelrine]

Do you guys want more weight and more restrictions on adders? lol Might be a silly question but i have to ask. If its what will bring the cars out then its an easy change.

[Vanilla]

Kelly,

If your going to attract the guys out of Chicago, your going to have to add more weight. They run heavy and getting away from a Outlaw 10.5 format would really be better for a "pro street" class....

Oh, and the fire bottles... That might need looked at also....



Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly,

If your going to attract the guys out of Chicago, your going to have to add more weight. They run heavy and getting away from a Outlaw 10.5 format would really be better for a "pro street" class....

Oh, and the fire bottles... That might need looked at also....



Vanilla

I dunno that the Chicago guys would come down, i think their rules are a bit too far off from mine that it would require too many changes? They really arent super street outlaw type of cars, kinda in a class of their own with so much weight, and i definitely do not want cars running that fast at 3500+ lbs. If everyone wants me to add weight, i will lol. But not THAT much. What about the fire bottles? There needs to be some kind of fire supression system in cars that fast.

[Vanilla]

The rules I sent you should put the cars in the 4.80-510 range... That should be where your Pro Street class is anyways.. Not too fast, yet not too slow...

I have talked to a few northern guys and a few southern guys, and it seems the 4.90-5.flat range is where they want to be. I am going to make a coupld calls tomorrow and see what else I can come up with....


As for the fire systems, we both know that if NHRA doesnt mandate it, 90% of the racers wont put it in....


Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

The rules I sent you should put the cars in the 4.80-510 range... That should be where your Pro Street class is anyways.. Not too fast, yet not too slow...

I have talked to a few northern guys and a few southern guys, and it seems the 4.90-5.flat range is where they want to be. I am going to make a coupld calls tomorrow and see what else I can come up with....


As for the fire systems, we both know that if NHRA doesnt mandate it, 90% of the racers wont put it in....


Vanilla
Yea that is where most of the guys running were at (2 years ago anyway). Most of the rules you sent i liked, but some i didnt. This is the prob with having different Orgs, everyone is going to have different opinions, and none of them are wrong, just different for the goals & futures we all want for each Org. Mine is more of an Outlaw based series, OSCA is not. The Valley kinda is but they are leaning towards OSCA rules. I do want to attract these types of cars without sacrificing what the series as a whole is about. Why is this shit so hard? LOL

I thought NHRA did have a rule about fire systems.... ill have to double check. All i gotta say on that one is dont anyone be mad at me when i post the crispy car pics after that shit burns up! Seen one too many fires that could have been prevented.

[Vanilla]

It sounds like you dont want a Pro Street class, more like an Outlaw 10.5 class but allow big tires... Imagine what Lowrey would run on a 16x33 at 3100lbs... stupid fast.... That right there would drive a bunch of old school Pro Street cars away....

I guess you have to figure out what you want... Outlaw 10.5 or back half cars....


Vanilla

[Pooch565]

Good Morning Kelly,

Here is my 2 cents. Stick with the OSCA rules. That's where most of the "Pro Street" cars race. I know Tim Oros came to the last OSCA race and won running 4.90's. He's a Chicago racer. With the Modified rules, different combo's are allowed to run. I agree with you. You don't want to outlaw any engine combo before the start of the season. I just believe that since the OSCA rules have been around for years, more cars have been built to those rules. Again, just my 2 cents!! :p


Jason

[Kelly Pelrine]

It sounds like you dont want a Pro Street class, more like an Outlaw 10.5 class but allow big tires... Imagine what Lowrey would run on a 16x33 at 3100lbs... stupid fast.... That right there would drive a bunch of old school Pro Street cars away....

I guess you have to figure out what you want... Outlaw 10.5 or back half cars....


Vanilla
I didnt say that lol. You need to read the rules again. They are not much different than OSCA. It is backhalf only, no tube chassis. All i would need to do is add weight and restrict power adders. Why is this so hard to see? Both Justin and i went over the OSCA rules and re-wrote them last night. What we basically came up with is what i already had, just written where people can make some sense of them lol.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Good Morning Kelly,

Here is my 2 cents. Stick with the OSCA rules. That's where most of the "Pro Street" cars race. I know Tim Oros came to the last OSCA race and won running 4.90's. He's a Chicago racer. With the Modified rules, different combo's are allowed to run. I agree with you. You don't want to outlaw any engine combo before the start of the season. I just believe that since the OSCA rules have been around for years, more cars have been built to those rules. Again, just my 2 cents!! :p


Jason

Morning Jace :) I will post the re-written rules and see what everyone thinks of those?

[Johnny Baio]

Well at least you got the weights right......3000 lbs. for big blocks seems right, I'd stay away from yhe 3200-3500 lbs. , there just aren't enough of them cars , and most of those Outlaw Super stock cars just won't travel at all....so 3000 lbs. seems to fit more of the "traveling" racers in the region....just my .02

JB

[Kelly Pelrine]

Well at least you got the weights right......3000 lbs. for big blocks seems right, I'd stay away from yhe 3200-3500 lbs. , there just aren't enough of them cars , and most of those Outlaw Super stock cars just won't travel at all....so 3000 lbs. seems to fit more of the "traveling" racers in the region....just my .02

JB

I agree Johnny.... i think what is scaring everyone is seeing that 3000 base weight. They see that and automatically think its Outlaw, which is it not. I dont want these cars running at 3400+ lbs, its way too much.

[Kelly Pelrine]

ok gang here it is in a nutshell....

Weights
Small Block N/A - 2400
Big Block N/A - 2600
Small Block Nitrous – 2600 lbs
Big Block Nitrous – 3000 lbs
Blowers & Turbos (small block) – 3100 lbs
Blowers & Turbos (big block) – 3200 lbs
Add 100 lbs for tires bigger than 33x10.5w
Blowers & Turbos limited to a 31w
1 nitrous kit only on big block non-conventional heads
Conventional big block heads and small block combos can use 2 stages of nitrous
No twin turbos, turbos limited to 101mm tip to tip
Blowers limited to F3 or equivalent

This will allow guys like Hupp, Vincent, Hines, Posey, Stinson, Alford, Phillips, Lohr etc etc. Thats 8 cars off the top of my head.

[mhupp]

Kelly, I hope you and all the racers that are going to race with you at the track and not on the boards can get this thing to happen!! I will be there for what ever you plan as long as the races dont conflict with other races we are planning to attend...... I know and you do to thats its all about the MONEY see if you could get a $600.00--$800.00 payout for 1st and get some sponsors to help out with contingency money that way you could offer some more money and pull the cars in..... Just my 2 cents Hope to see everyone soon..............

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly, I hope you and all the racers that are going to race with you at the track and not on the boards can get this thing to happen!! I will be there for what ever you plan as long as the races dont conflict with other races we are planning to attend...... I know and you do to thats its all about the MONEY see if you could get a $600.00--$800.00 payout for 1st and get some sponsors to help out with contingency money that way you could offer some more money and pull the cars in..... Just my 2 cents Hope to see everyone soon..............

Hey Mike,

Thanks for the support! I am ready to have this class, still working on sponsors but i would like to at least have the payout $1200 to win, $500 r/u & $100 for semis. I think its very do-able! Im also talking to some folks about contingency, but anyone thats interested have them call me at 513-260-8262. Looking forward to next year!

Kel

[wheelie]

Tube chassis legal?

[Vanilla]

Tube chassis legal?


Sure... just add 800lbs.....




Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

Tube chassis legal?

Sorry hun back half only

[Kelly Pelrine]

Sure... just add 800lbs.....




Vanilla

Nilla...... shuddaup :finga:

[DOTY]

What is the expectation for front of the pack in pro...

[Vanilla]

Oh come on.... he can strop 800lbs to that thing.....



Man, try to make a joke and ya get yer knuckles wacked... Thank you Sister Kelly...



Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

What is the expectation for front of the pack in pro...
Well if everyone progresses a bit from last year i would think some 4.70s wouldnt be out of the question. With the restricted rules, its been a 5.0-4.8 class.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Oh come on.... he can strop 800lbs to that thing.....



Man, try to make a joke and ya get yer knuckles wacked... Thank you Sister Kelly...



Vanilla
C'mon now, you know you want me to smack you someplace other than your knuckles hahaha! :butthead::smt102

[Vanilla]

Well if everyone progresses a bit from last year i would think some 4.70s wouldnt be out of the question. With the restricted rules, its been a 5.0-4.8 class.



4.70's??? I wouldnt see why a 4.50 or 60 isnt possible... Just going by the rough rules, Lutz could come in at 3100 with the 16x33's with the twins and run 50's....


Vanilla

[Vanilla]

C'mon now, you know you want me to smack you someplace other than your knuckles hahaha! :butthead::smt102



promises promises......



:Party



Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

4.70's??? I wouldnt see why a 4.50 or 60 isnt possible... Just going by the rough rules, Lutz could come in at 3100 with the 16x33's with the twins and run 50's....


Vanilla
no twins

[Vanilla]

All it says it TURBOS... plural... not singular.... ;)



Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

All it says it TURBOS... plural... not singular.... ;)



Vanilla
You are BLIND lol!

Weights
Small Block N/A - 2400
Big Block N/A - 2600
Small Block Nitrous – 2600 lbs
Big Block Nitrous – 3000 lbs
Blowers & Turbos (small block) – 3100 lbs
Blowers & Turbos (big block) – 3200 lbs
Add 100 lbs for tires bigger than 33x10.5w
Blowers & Turbos limited to a 31w
1 nitrous kit only on big block non-conventional heads
Conventional big block heads and small block combos can use 2 stages of nitrous
No twin turbos, turbos limited to 101mm tip to tip
Blowers limited to F3 or equivalent

[Vanilla]

I was looking at your FIRST post on the rules..... Hey, if I wasnt looking over your shoulder, you would have so much time on your hands....


Time for another knuckle buster.....


Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

You need V8 smack to the head :smt021

[10.5-57]

Hey Kelly,
ARe you trying to have an OUTLAW class as well as this pro street class or what?
Wasnt sure if you were going to do the OSCA / OVOS 2700# twin turbos deal as well as the Pro street or what, Thanks for the input and your efforts!
I would still run the OUltaw deal when to help support OSM but I cant/wont pull off a turbo, just too much headache there ya know?
Happy Holidays to all!

[Vanilla]

Hey Scott....

Since your building a new car, why not build a single... lol....



Vanilla

[10.5-57]

who said i was "building" a new car, alright well maybe so, BUT, Once you've had TWINS why would you want a single? Just one of those things, ya know.

[Vanilla]

Uh, you did.... in the thread ABOUT YOU!

Talked to one of your locals last night... Said you had a double throw down, super top secret project goin on....


Vanilla

[Kelly Pelrine]

Hey Kelly,
ARe you trying to have an OUTLAW class as well as this pro street class or what?
Wasnt sure if you were going to do the OSCA / OVOS 2700# twin turbos deal as well as the Pro street or what, Thanks for the input and your efforts!
I would still run the OUltaw deal when to help support OSM but I cant/wont pull off a turbo, just too much headache there ya know?
Happy Holidays to all!

Hey Scott.... at this time no, just the pro street class. Its not that i wouldnt want to have another class, more like i cant afford it :( I know this pretty much knocks you out for now, sorry. If i can get the funding i need, id like to have a more true OUTLAW class like i started out with. It would be more for the faster outlaw car and pro mod/ pro 5.0 type cars. Kinda a run watcha brung.

The thanks goes to you for all of your input! Wish i could have somethin for ya! Maybe we can figure somethin out on a per race basis???

[Blwnta]

Kelly, I basically have an EZ Street car but I put lexan in all the way around unfortunately. So I hope you get funding for a Pro Street/Outlaw class. I might be an underdog but I love to come out for some fun and hope for a little luck. Keep us posted whether it's a go or not.

Mark

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly, I basically have an EZ Street car but I put lexan in all the way around unfortunately. So I hope you get funding for a Pro Street/Outlaw class. I might be an underdog but I love to come out for some fun and hope for a little luck. Keep us posted whether it's a go or not.

Mark

I think the Pro Street class will be a go, but i dont want to commit to it just yet ;) That'd be great if you came out! You never know what can happen.

Also, i should have the schedule out by next week. Sorry to everyone that its taking so long!

[Sam Vincent]

I think the Pro Street class will be a go, but i dont want to commit to it just yet ;) That'd be great if you came out! You never know what can happen.

Also, i should have the schedule out by next week. Sorry to everyone that its taking so long!

Where will this be at? I know the OSCA Modified weights are pretty much 100lbs heavier on base weight 31 x10.5W max, then -100lbs for true 10" tires.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Hey Sam... Columbus, ET and Terre Haute for sure, i am also waiting to hear back from the new owner of Muncie. I should know something this week.

[marklohr]

Kelly,

Your class sounds like something I would be interested in, especially if it doesn't conflict with the OSCA schedule. OSCA allows bolt in front subframes made from rectangular steel tubing. If the car came with A-frames then it has to stay with A-frames. My car has a Martz bolt in subframe and weighs 3200 LBs with conventional heads and nitrous. If my car is legal in your class I would try to make your races. Good luck I hope you can pull this together.

[outlaw68]

I would attend some as well.. I live in tennessee and plan on running all of the OSCA races, I own www.bountyrace.com (http://www.bountyrace.com), so our bounty races are the end of every month I would be glad to help you if I can. I just wish you all were closer.. But the races I can make I WILL...

[Kelly Pelrine]

Thanks guys! I ma working on getting everything finalized and will hopefully be posting specifics soon. Is it April yet??? lol

[Mr. Wonderful]

Hi Kelly long time no see I am always looking to broaden my horizons I raced 1 time with the osca last year I was 3380 lbs and got lucky and won the race I know there is other guys that want to do different things than (outlaw s/s ...mod s/s) but 3000lbs is a bit much for us.The 3200 lb osca weight isnt perfect but hey were not in chicago I understand that if you want to race then you race @ there rules My 2 cents would be follow the osca rules for pro stree if you have a pro-charger or turbo put a 10.5 tire on it .I dont know what weight but I think there rules are pretty decent just my opinon hope to see tou this summer.......TIM

[Kelly Pelrine]

Hi Kelly long time no see I am always looking to broaden my horizons I raced 1 time with the osca last year I was 3380 lbs and got lucky and won the race I know there is other guys that want to do different things than (outlaw s/s ...mod s/s) but 3000lbs is a bit much for us.The 3200 lb osca weight isnt perfect but hey were not in chicago I understand that if you want to race then you race @ there rules My 2 cents would be follow the osca rules for pro stree if you have a pro-charger or turbo put a 10.5 tire on it .I dont know what weight but I think there rules are pretty decent just my opinon hope to see tou this summer.......TIM

Hey Tim.... yea no doubt. I havent been up that way in a couple years. How've you been? I will be working on getting the rules posted in the next day or so on the OSM site. I pretty much know how they will be its just a matter of typing lol. Hope you can make it down to a race or two. We will be having one at 41 in July also!

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly,

Your class sounds like something I would be interested in, especially if it doesn't conflict with the OSCA schedule. OSCA allows bolt in front subframes made from rectangular steel tubing. If the car came with A-frames then it has to stay with A-frames. My car has a Martz bolt in subframe and weighs 3200 LBs with conventional heads and nitrous. If my car is legal in your class I would try to make your races. Good luck I hope you can pull this together.

Hi Mark.... your car will fit, bring it on out :)

[Kelly Pelrine]

The PS rules are now posted ... OSM Pro Street Rules (http://www.outlawstreetmadness.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=29)

[fishhead]

I might make a couple of races Ed Rice

[Kelly Pelrine]

gonna keep it single for this year..... you still runnin the single on your car Ed?

[gryphon68]

What do you anticipate competitive times to be in Pro Street?

[Kelly Pelrine]

Honestly not sure hun with the way everyone has prob stepped up a bit since last year. Best guess it'll be 4.7's to 5.0's

[mikee]

I would try out the in. races!:rolleyes:

[mrmike]

Why the limit to 101mm turbo when most are running a 106mm if the are running a single? Thanks, Mike.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Why the limit to 101mm turbo when most are running a 106mm if the are running a single? Thanks, Mike.

Hey Mike,

After several months of talking with racers and looking at other Orgs in this area thats what we decided to do. I had the rules more open and no one showed. I asked what direction they would want to go in if i decided to bring this class back again and i was told more weight and more restrictions. Not just on turbos but everything. Everyone wanted the former OSCA (US) rules, so i based our rules off of those. It is more of an old school Pro Street class, not something a Pro 5.0 type of car is meant for. Its meant for cars with a backhalf and running 5.0's-4.7's.

Who did you have in mind that runs a 106?
Kelly

[mrmike]

Hey Mike,


Who did you have in mind that runs a 106?
Kelly

If the moon and all the stars line up and everything else in the world goes right, me!!!!!! lol

[Vanilla]

Kelly,

I just got an interesting phone call today. By looking at the rules somebody could come in with an 814 with a sheetmetal intake, one system, on a 17x34.5-16 and really foul things up.....



Vanilla

[DOTY]

Damn, who let my cat out of the bag.........



I hate rules but maybe a bore space stipulation could remedy this if it requires a fix.

[Kelly Pelrine]

If the moon and all the stars line up and everything else in the world goes right...

If that happens i just MIGHT make some money this year LOL!

[Kelly Pelrine]

Kelly,

I just got an interesting phone call today. By looking at the rules somebody could come in with an 814 with a sheetmetal intake, one system, on a 17x34.5-16 and really foul things up.....



Vanilla

Yea and someone who really knows their shit can come in at 2400 with a SB N/A combo and wreak havoc too....... without getting into a TON of rules and yadda yadda this & that there is no way to cover every little thing with any of this shit. Im done changing rules for this year. Everyone needs to quit knitpickin so much. NO WHINERS hahaha :-D

[cmygtfly85]

Hey Kelly. Can a turbo/blower car run on a 33x10.5"w if they add the 100# penalty?

[Kelly Pelrine]

Hey Kelly. Can a turbo/blower car run on a 33x10.5"w if they add the 100# penalty?
At this time no, they are limited to a 31w