Pro Stock 2008

[Jeff Chandler]

Who's in? Kim and I will be back.

[HS 3131]

Im glad your gonna run Pro Stock again. I might run a few close NMCA events next year.

[Chris Uratchko]

I'm in!! I sure hope so anyhow it's all here just need some thrash time.

[blown54]

I would like to run one event,if not i am sure i will be helping.:p

[Jeff Chandler]

Never know, we may have a second Chandler driving in Pro Stock. Kim is getting her license this spring.

[Chris Uratchko]

:D

[Greg2]

Pro Stock? NHRA or IHRA?

[Chris Uratchko]

NMCA man c'mon.... is there any other? Them others are just n/a pro mods.............. closing in on funny cars.

Stick shift jelly beans!!!!!!!!!

[Greg2]

n/a pro mods, lol! :) Call them what you want, 800+ cubes on nuts alone sounds bad ass. Besides Chris, I know you have some understanding of what it takes to compete in those classes.

NMCA's n/a is cool, but it ain't Pro Stock.

[HotStreet3134]

I might make a race or two.

[smav347]

n/a pro mods, lol! :) Call them what you want, 800+ cubes on nuts alone sounds bad ass. Besides Chris, I know you have some understanding of what it takes to compete in those classes.

NMCA's n/a is cool, but it ain't Pro Stock.

Well the competition is certainly there. It came down to literally the last round of racing to determine a champ this past year, and he won by 5 points!

And these aren't cookie cutter big blocks either, NMCA Pro Stock has everything from SBF, SBC, BBC, Pontiacs, Oldmobiles, etc. etc.

You're right it aint IHRA or NHRA Pro Stock, it's much cooler!

[Greg2]

I'm not ragging on it Jake. It's cool, just different from "Pro Stock" is all I meant.

[smav347]

I'm not ragging on it Jake. It's cool, just different from "Pro Stock" is all I meant.

Oh yeah, for sure.

[larry santucci]

Well the competition is certainly there. It came down to literally the last round of racing to determine a champ this past year, and he won by 5 points!

And these aren't cookie cutter big blocks either, NMCA Pro Stock has everything from SBF, SBC, BBC, Pontiacs, Oldmobiles, etc. etc.

You're right it aint IHRA or NHRA Pro Stock, it's much cooler!

I agree. Extremely close racing kinda like the big boy Pro Stockers. I think 2008 will see some guys really picking up. There are alot of new cars/combos out there and there sure to go faster.

[John Langer]

Don't count on seeing any traditional Pontiacs after the rules come out on Thursday. The Pontiac was only .030 faster then the BBC in Memphis and .035 faster then the SBC in Milan but is getting a nice, well deserved 75lb penalty. Time to build a Chevy or SBF so no one has anything to cry about. No wait, then it will be the 3-speed, then the nostalgia body, never mind, I'll just stay home.

[Chris Uratchko]

How many races has a small block won in the last 4 years?

[John Langer]

small block ford?

[Butch Kemp]

small block ford?

Either?

[John Langer]

What was the percentage of sb's that showed up compared to the amount of sb's that went to final rounds?
In 2007, there were a total of 5 bbc's in the final round out of a possible 12 positions, 4 sb's and 3 Pontiacs. There were more BBC's racing then other combo's on average followed by sb's with Pontiacs bringing up the rear. Where is Chandler with his spread sheet with all of the data?

[John Langer]

How many races has a small block won in the last 4 years?

How many sb's showed up in 2006? How many rac a full season in 2005? Didn't Booze win the championship in 2004? Didn't you win back to backs in 2003 and 2004?

[Chris Uratchko]

OIC justify justify justify.... you're like my wife she can rationalize anything:D

[John Langer]

Listen, I stuck in the airport in some crap city (Detroit) in a crap state (Michigan) with a long layover. I got nothing but time.

[Butch Kemp]

I guess everyone has to do what they feel is right.I came back to race in 2007 with what I thought was a little heavy weight, but I showed up and showed to be competitive.In John's case its very hard to tell how well his stuff runs because he is the only one there (525 Poncho).The small block fords qualified well and runer-uped and won races.Do they need help, I say hell no.
Does the powerglide need help........after 2 wins and low quals,,,,,,,,,I say hell no.
The prelims come out on thurs,then the bitchin will begin???
I dont have much to bitch about, because the sbc seems to get shoved under the rug like always.
Mabye I dont call or cry enough???

[blown54]

NMCA man c'mon.... is there any other? Them others are just n/a pro mods.............. closing in on funny cars.

Stick shift jelly beans!!!!!!!!!


hey easy with the stick shift comments:p

[larry santucci]

I guess everyone has to do what they feel is right.I came back to race in 2007 with what I thought was a little heavy weight, but I showed up and showed to be competitive.In John's case its very hard to tell how well his stuff runs because he is the only one there (525 Poncho).The small block fords qualified well and runer-uped and won races.Do they need help, I say hell no.
Does the powerglide need help........after 2 wins and low quals,,,,,,,,,I say hell no.
The prelims come out on thurs,then the bitchin will begin???
I dont have much to bitch about, because the sbc seems to get shoved under the rug like always.
Mabye I dont call or cry enough???

Your probably one of the guys who are trying to optimize there combination instead of writing letters. You guys need to stop spending your money on dyno time and buy some stamps. A phone call is a hell of alot cheaper than taking your car to the track and trying stuff.

Langer how will 75 lbs. slow you down .03? I thought that would slow a car down alot more than that. Damn calculator must be broken.

[383Malibu]

...just need some thrash time.I've got confidence in you... it's the "Uratchko way". :)

And yeah... watch out with the "stick shift" comments. :(

[ProGSX]

Well the competition is certainly there. It came down to literally the last round of racing to determine a champ this past year, and he won by 5 points!

And these aren't cookie cutter big blocks either, NMCA Pro Stock has everything from SBF, SBC, BBC, Pontiacs, Oldmobiles, etc. etc.

You're right it aint IHRA or NHRA Pro Stock, it's much cooler!

They got a Buick too...

[smav347]

They got a Buick too...

Oh yes, can't forget the Buicks. Jeff, you and Gary K. need to bring your Skylarks to some races next season!

[Scott McMullen]

Gotta love Pro Stock NMCA DRAMA!! LMAO Great Bunch of Racers Tho, they all want to win and I can't say I blame them

[HS 3131]

Don't count on seeing any traditional Pontiacs after the rules come out on Thursday. The Pontiac was only .030 faster then the BBC in Memphis and .035 faster then the SBC in Milan but is getting a nice, well deserved 75lb penalty. Time to build a Chevy or SBF so no one has anything to cry about. No wait, then it will be the 3-speed, then the nostalgia body, never mind, I'll just stay home.

75#? Thought it was a 100#.

[Chris Uratchko]

I heard it was 200 :smt110

[HS 3131]

I heard it was 200 :smt110

Even better....

[John Langer]

I heard it was 200 :smt110

After the tree I would put on you... I would still kick your a$$ :)

[Jeff Chandler]

Damn John, after the shelacking you took in the finals at Memphis on the tree I'm surprised you'd bring driving into this thread:-D

[Butch Kemp]

Damn John, after the shelacking you took in the finals at Memphis on the tree I'm surprised you'd bring driving into this thread:-D

Oooooooooooooooooooh Boy!!!!

[John Langer]

Damn John, after the shelacking you took in the finals at Memphis on the tree I'm surprised you'd bring driving into this thread:-D

I got nothing.

[TA Dave]

Pontiac, power from the darkside...

[okibono]

langer,
stick w/ the Poncho!

[Chris Uratchko]

After the tree I would put on you... I would still kick your a$$ :)


:rolleyes:

You beat me by .003 one time on the tree and now it's a legacy!!!:D

You better get that practice tree out!!!!!!!

[viperakron]

Will NMCA modify the rules to allow NSCA PC cars to run with a small tire?

[Chris Uratchko]

Highly doubt that.

[John Langer]

If you look at the NMRA rules, looks like vfn will be real busy since I dont know of any hood in the NMCA that meets those requirements.

[Chris Uratchko]

LOL.... hell 4500 dollar center sections, 8000 dollar transmissions, 40 grand engines, I think I can afford a 500 dollar hood.;)

[Chris Uratchko]

I see you on there Jake... how 'bout some rules to bitch about???

[Ken Schertz]

4- link? Nope
Dry sump? Nope
Carbon fiber D/S? Nope
Forward scoop? Nope
Mirrors? Long gone
Wheelie bars? I can take 'em off
Mufflers? I can put 'em on

Anyone want to buy an expensive, inconsistant, high maintenance bracket car?

[smav347]

I see you on there Jake... how 'bout some rules to bitch about???

Ha ha, yeah it sucks to wait, but it's still the 15th!

yeah as you know, some unexpected events caused us to rethink some things in some classes.....

[blown54]

LOL.... hell 4500 dollar center sections, 8000 dollar transmissions, 40 grand engines, I think I can afford a 500 dollar hood.;)

you don't need another hood. You need to finish the motor!:p

[Chris Uratchko]

Rules look okay I suppose.... don't see anything with the fuel so I guess I'l have to spend 100 bucks per gallon on the good stuff. Better get on the horn with him.... anyone want to go in on a drum of hot C25?

[Jeff Chandler]

I'll let you split the drum I already have:yawinkle:

[HS 3131]

Im in. Looks like I will need it over in NMRA too.

[Jeff Chandler]

Might as well Tim, you've run against it in Hot Street all year;)

[John Langer]

FUCK THAT, my combo got hit with 100lbs.

[Jeff Chandler]

You already knew that John, at least that's what you have been saying. That's a big hit for sure, I gotta say I'm surprised.

[Jeff Chandler]

I guess it's actually 75lbs since you get another 25lbs early model body weight break.

[Chris Uratchko]

Hey I'm running with a 75 pound penalty too. Just because my head is a 10 degree head don't mean it makes more power than a 15 degree head... oh well.

I will admitt that I asked them to change the 8.5 lbs/cid increase over the std catagories.... I guess that was not accepted.

[John Langer]

I guess it's actually 75lbs since you get another 25lbs early model body weight break.

That would be true if I wasn't building a late model.

[Chris Uratchko]

Late model? So I guess you are telling NMCA that even a 100 pound weight break, is not enough for old cars.

I agree!!!!!!

[John Langer]

Why would Matukas be lining me up all year if a I wasnt a customer. It wasnt just because I had cold beer.

[Chris Uratchko]

I don't recall Matukas lining you up all year.

[68Bird]

John,
Is your '69 going to be for sale then?

Craig

[Chris Uratchko]

he aint' gettin rid of nothin..........

[John Langer]

John,
Is your '69 going to be for sale then?

Craig

It was available turn key in Memphis. Someone decided to go a different direction and purchased a different car.

[68Bird]

Gotcha.....I'd be looking for a roller anyway. I gotta say, I hate to hear you're going to a late model body. To me the class is all about the old school muscle cars. But I realize aerodynamics can probably make quite a difference in the late model cars versus the older bodies.

Craig

[smav347]

Rules look okay I suppose.... don't see anything with the fuel so I guess I'l have to spend 100 bucks per gallon on the good stuff. Better get on the horn with him.... anyone want to go in on a drum of hot C25?

Chris and everyone, we are researching a few ways to check for "hot C25."

[HS 3131]

Chris and everyone, we are researching a few ways to check for "hot C25."

Jake, Make everybody take it from the same drum. Problem solved. Who do I send the bill to?

[HS 3131]

Why would Matukas be lining me up all year if a I wasnt a customer. It wasnt just because I had cold beer.

John, Its the beer dont kid yourself......LOL

[John Langer]

What I fail to understand is that the 360 ford goes .04 faster then the field over in the NMRA and gets hit with nothing. I go .03 faster then the field at Memphis, the car that I went .03 faster then gets a 25lb weight break and I get hit with 100lbs.

[D. Murray]

Rules look okay I suppose.... don't see anything with the fuel so I guess I'l have to spend 100 bucks per gallon on the good stuff. Better get on the horn with him.... anyone want to go in on a drum of hot C25?

Look, NMRA & NMCA knows exactly whats happening and they can put a quick fix on who's cheating if they want to address it.

Just got back from researching this information and I will post my comments on NMRA hot street.

Jeff I'll be looking for you.

Something is going on NMRA & NMCA.

[Jeff Chandler]

Jeff I'll be looking for you.

Why??

[Butch Kemp]

Why??

Cause your so good looking??

[HS 3131]

What I fail to understand is that the 360 ford goes .04 faster then the field over in the NMRA and gets hit with nothing. I go .03 faster then the field at Memphis, the car that I went .03 faster then gets a 25lb weight break and I get hit with 100lbs.

John,Thats a problem over in the NMRA. Pretty sure I know why that combo did not get hit and if its true I will not race with NMRA/NMCA anymore.

[HS 3131]

Look, NMRA & NMCA knows exactly whats happening and they can put a quick fix on who's cheating if they want to address it.

Just got back from researching this information and I will post my comments on NMRA hot street.

Jeff I'll be looking for you.

Something is going on NMRA & NMCA.

Dave don't hold out on us........

[Butch Kemp]

Dave don't hold out on us........

X2

[HotStreet3134]

I think everyone is in the NMRA Hot Street forum right now.:o

[Chris Uratchko]

Lets here all about it all... Still time to cancel that 5500 dollar barrel of fuel!!!

[HS 3131]

Don't cancel yet,I still might need some.

[D. Murray]

Why??

I was looking to see you over on the NMRA board. Thats all. You probably know more than I know. ;)

Butch, I'm just waiting to see what they do about this.

I can tell you this. There's some history behind this mixing in Hot Street.

[HS 3131]

I was looking to see you over on the NMRA board. Thats all. You probably know more than I know. ;)

Butch, I'm just waiting to see what they do about this.

I can tell you this. There's some history behind this mixing in Hot Street.

Dave. Give me a call when you get a chance....

[Butch Kemp]

Dave. Give me a call when you get a chance....

Tim give me a call when you get a chance.586-531-2499

[Jeff Chandler]

Somebody call me dammit:-D

[Chris Uratchko]

Nobody call me unless you have money to help pay this fuel bill!!!!!!!:D

[Ben Mens]

I've heard of "call girls" but this is a little bit out there....:)

[Chris Uratchko]

:D

[Ben Mens]

Let's be pro active. Let's all lobby for E85/E98 fuel! We would be doing the "green" thing while also cutting costs, it's only 2.35 a gallon at the station by me.

[Chris Uratchko]

Sounds good to me.

[Jeff Chandler]

Hmmmm, wonder what you can do with E85/E98? I need to make a phone call.

[John Langer]

I thought I was being green all year with the recycling of aluminum cans???

[Ben Mens]

E85/E98 is good fuel, yes it's good enough for our race cars and will work with a carb. It would be cool as it is a totaly different fuel (read new) and should keep the "experimenters" at bay for awhile I would think? If not something like that, then how about opening up the fuel rule completely? No nitro or alky, gasolines only. Q-16 is less $
than C-25 and for sure less than $100 per gallon for the imitation stuff.........

[blown54]

Let's be pro active. Let's all lobby for E85/E98 fuel! We would be doing the "green" thing while also cutting costs, it's only 2.35 a gallon at the station by me.

That sure would make racing cheaper!
Ben have you ever tried E85 on the dyno? I do know of one sbc in all motor running it and made 800hp at 420 inches.But i heard its a totaly different animal to deal with.

[Chris Uratchko]

Ben I and others have requested Q16 for ProStock.... even if it is not the 'spec' fuel, just make it allowed so it is a real alternative to an expensive hot fuel....

The request is very simple for them to consider. Unfortunately, I think money, sponsorship(lack of) and general politics will get in the way of a rule change... I hope I am wrong.

[Ben Mens]

We have done and continue testing with fuel manufacturers. Don Bowles has been racing with E85 for 2 years now, both supercharged and normally asperated (boosted & high compression) with zero issues. He even runs his golf cart on it! It is not a big change calibrating your fuel system for it at all, nothing like going to methanol.

[maxamus]

So is this C-25 the spec fuel for prostock.

[HotStreet3134]

You can run Torco and other types of VP fuel. C-25 is just the fuel almost everybody uses.

[maxamus]

OK. Maybe I might try an event .

[MattSwindle]

Who's in? Kim and I will be back.

I've committed myself to playin' this year..
Workin' hard at it..(it may get me "committed"..LOL..!)
won't make the first race though...
I should be breakin' shit by the middle of May for sure...
see y'all then!

Matt

[HS3117]

Do you guys think team Demayo will continue to cheat in 2008?How many are willing to empty ther pockets to race them guys?I think its bullshit they cant be caught cheating.
mabe a prop will fall off the outbard shop.:smt089

[Ben Mens]

Do you guys think team Demayo will continue to cheat in 2008?How many are willing to empty ther pockets to race them guys?I think its bullshit they cant be caught cheating.
mabe a prop will fall off the outbard shop.:smt089

Maybe because they are not?

[Jeff Chandler]

How many are willing to empty ther pockets to race them guys?

Me!! Trust me, they have nothing to do with me emptying my pockets, it's all on me and, from the looks of it the DeMayos are not trying to make friends but they do post with there real name. C'mon and step up, it's not a good fight unless you use your real name.

[HotStreet3134]

Do you guys think team Demayo will continue to cheat in 2008?How many are willing to empty ther pockets to race them guys?I think its bullshit they cant be caught cheating.
mabe a prop will fall off the outbard shop.:smt089
That is a CHUMP way of pissing and moaning!!

[Chris Uratchko]

Oye...............:rolleyes: Unfortunately me too Jeff.

[HS 3131]

Ben, Im gonna eat my pie over here...

[Chris Uratchko]

Did someone say pie? Don't think I can eat anymore today.

[D. Murray]

Me!! Trust me, they have nothing to do with me emptying my pockets, it's all on me and, from the looks of it the DeMayos are not trying to make friends but they do post with there real name. C'mon and step up, it's not a good fight unless you use your real name.

Your right Jeff, it takes balls to say what you want to say and not hide it. I can say D. Jr is fun to race and know. He can surely make a weekend exciting.

[Dr. Detroit]

Hell, Don't Stop now Fella's!!!
This shit is just warming up for the winter to come...
Partner and I had our eye on Pro Stock last couple of years in perhaps coming out with a car in the "non status quo" (BBC & SBC for those who haven't found out yet) engine arrangement next year or so to see if it might be fun to run without a Bowtie around our necks.

But, seems like its going to be apples and apples vs. Apples and Tomato's!

I say we hit all the All Chevy Engine Combo's with 150-200+lbs since they have 6000 plus different engine combo's they can run. Lets see almost 40yrs of domination in drag racing is long enough I think!!
Yeah Yeah 150+ and leave the rest of us alone just to see WTF kind of Combo the BBC or SBC will come up with next!!!

Oh, I like to thank John Langer also for getting the weight added did ya have to make that fucking Poncho Bullet run that fast???(sarcasm):partyman:

Lets feel sorry for the MOPAR boys and give them a B1 bone while were at it..Gezzz! Not like it is cheap to build them...

NMCA was created for just the opposite of what is going on right now!

To get away from the :peeingNHRA clone engine combo's...and the "Holy Grail"!

So much for that huh???

Kinda like the Stepford Wives Club..We can all have the same piece of ass wheither we like it or not!:smt097

No wonder the rest of the racing world wants to run in circles only making left turns!!!:smt076

[Jeff Chandler]

Jane(Dr Detriot), you ignorant slut. I had no idea you could still buy LSD!!

Many Thanks to Dan Aykroyd and SNL for the most appropriate phrase.

[Chris Uratchko]

Uhhh, pass some of that over here too.

The Mopars did get the B1 in the new rules. But I got news for you all this stuff costs the same at this level... it's not relative to brands. Parts is parts, development is development.

If you have paid any attention to the class(seems like you have not).... here is a recap.

2002 SBC championship
2003 SBC championship
2004 SBF(ford) championship
2005 BBC championship
2006 BBP(pontiac) championship
2007 BBC championship(narrow margin)....

That don't look like a bad record. Smoke em if you got em!!

[Jim Craig]

With all this excitement and my chassis being legal for this class -- I might just get a set of heads and an intake done to go with my shortblock and come dick around with you guys.

[Chris Uratchko]

The more the merrier!! Well... sorta.

[Butch Kemp]

The more the merrier!! Well... sorta.

thats funny right there..............

[Dr. Detroit]

Jane(Dr Detriot), you ignorant slut. I had no idea you could still buy LSD!!

Many Thanks to Dan Aykroyd and SNL for the most appropriate phrase.
Blah..........if you're going to quote get a phuckin spell checker Chandler...:lol:
Sluts are better then Whiny Bitches any......Soccer:

[Dr. Detroit]

Uhhh, pass some of that over here too.

The Mopars did get the B1 in the new rules. But I got news for you all this stuff costs the same at this level... it's not relative to brands. Parts is parts, development is development.

If you have paid any attention to the class(seems like you have not).... here is a recap.

2002 SBC championship
2003 SBC championship
2004 SBF(ford) championship
2005 BBC championship
2006 BBP(pontiac) championship
2007 BBC championship(narrow margin)....

That don't look like a bad record. Smoke em if you got em!!
I am sorry but isn't that 4 out of 6 wins??? For the Bowtie???
Not counting the infinite number of cars that the Bowtie motor consumes!!!
As for the Mopars that is what I was refering to as in throw them a bone..(make em feel good)


Chris you can't sit there and tell me you can build a Mopar for the same money as a BBC and make the same power..
So share the pipe bro....:smt119

But if the Dodge Boys do get one up and running smacking up on the "Holy Grail" you can bet your ass they will get slapped faster with the weight then Langer has had done to him!!:(

[Dr. Detroit]

The more the merrier!! Well... sorta.
Yeah the:peeing 'More Chevy Combos" the merrier!!!:partyman:

Like saying two assholes are better then one! Kinda a oxy moron don't you think??

[Dr. Detroit]

...Parts is parts, development is development....
Huh??? What is this noise?? A monkey phuckin a football can pic up and catalog and build a 1000hp NA Chevy!!!:rolleyes: Far as that goes, just buy a package engine from any builder in the country and the way you go!!!
Of all people Chris, I know you don't believe in this statement...
Again tuning... not development is another issue...

[Chris Uratchko]

LOL okay. :D

[Jeff Chandler]

Sluts are better then Whiny Bitches any......


Speaking from experience I'm sure.

[Chris Uratchko]

Hey show up with that 1000 hp BBC and tell us how you do. My point, was that all these engines are development pieces. Nobody is running out of the box parts. It takes a lot of money for the BBC's as it does for the B1's.... Most of the parts are similarly priced from the heads down.... I can show you the numbers. Crank/rods/pistons/blocks.... all the same. Cams, etc... These guys with BBC's are spending over 30k on them. Not cookie cutter.

[Jim Craig]

Ya 30K and that's just for the induction side of things -- just like I been saying I've got some "real" Pro Stock stuff from the mid-90's and they don't make as much power as the current crop of BBC stuff using a single dominator and at the time what did a mid-90's Pro Stock motor cost 60, 70, 90K.

You guys are waaaay out there and then you throw some Roush stuff in there -- this class should really be sponsored by a valve spring company.

[joesmithz28]

Huh??? What is this noise?? A monkey phuckin a football can pic up and catalog and build a 1000hp NA Chevy!!!:rolleyes: Far as that goes, just buy a package engine from any builder in the country and the way you go!!!
Of all people Chris, I know you don't believe in this statement...
Again tuning... not development is another issue...


Umm...no. If you want a bottom 4 qualifier maybe...

[Dr. Detroit]

Hey show up with that 1000 hp BBC and tell us how you do. My point, was that all these engines are development pieces. Nobody is running out of the box parts. It takes a lot of money for the BBC's as it does for the B1's.... Most of the parts are similarly priced from the heads down.... I can show you the numbers. Crank/rods/pistons/blocks.... all the same. Cams, etc... These guys with BBC's are spending over 30k on them. Not cookie cutter.
Why does it seem we are chasing the same tail here...I agree!!
Heads down there all the same!!! Thats where it stops!!!
That is my point...all these Chevy builds all the numbers are there man...
And you can't get a Ponton, Olds or even a Mopar for the same money to run with the Chevys. You can't even get the Friggin PARTS in this day and age!!!
So what happens..we run "Clone Chevys" in every body style out there!!!

But along comes someone once in a while..
Lets use Langer for instant..
Thats takes them all on with something different and starts wopping ass and what happens??? Some whiny bitch with too tight of a "Bowtie" around their neck starts whining....then another...then another

Then Blam..NMCA is forced to give..........Added Weight!!!

This is Total bullshit Chris....Come on man you and I know it for a fact!!!

Jeff Chandler..my wonder slut..(hahaha.. good sense of humor) will tell ya first as has told me here in the bullet that the reason he runs a Chevy in the Fox body is because it is the best BANG FOR THE BUCK!!!
Which I agree with his thinking...But also Easiest to dial the numbers! Never ending parts scorce for the POWER!!!

Still I dont think it is fair to slap some one like Langer or whom ever that has the knowlledge, determination and or technical vice when they start smoking Chevys after all the parts, R & D and 40yrs of Domination in Drag Racing that Chevy has endured!!

Think about it.....Who else out there is bitching??? No one its a CHEVY WORLD!!!

NMCA must not have an Idea that it takes more then HP to get a bullet to run like this.. Lots of onsite testing with the car set up also..Transmissions
Drivers play a big part also..
I don't need to tell you or Jeff or anyone else that busts there balls all week on a Hot Rod to make em run....
I admire all of ya!!! I also have been there many years outside the realm of the "Holy Grail" having racers and pros telling me it can't be done then proving them wrong!!! It became a mission to take on every Chevy racer my partner and I came across. Still is!!!

My Point is....no room out side the Bowtie world when you start bashing the "Holy Grail" in these classes like NMCA Pro Stock!!!
The more you win...The More You're Going To Lose trying To Do So!!!
Now I am a whiny Bitch!!! :lol:

Shut Up Chandler I don't want to hear it!!!:smt097

hahahahaha....YBBitch:

[Dr. Detroit]

Ya 30K and that's just for the induction side of things -- just like I been saying I've got some "real" Pro Stock stuff from the mid-90's and they don't make as much power as the current crop of BBC stuff using a single dominator and at the time what did a mid-90's Pro Stock motor cost 60, 70, 90K.

You guys are waaaay out there and then you throw some Roush stuff in there -- this class should really be sponsored by a valve spring company.
Get in the right world bro...This is not NHRA...:smt115

[Dr. Detroit]

Umm...no. If you want a bottom 4 qualifier maybe...
1k hp was a FOS...Nice try!:rolleyes:

[Chris Uratchko]

Oye.... I'm worn out already and next year isn't even here yet!! There are so many things in life to do besides this.

[Jim Craig]

Get in the right world bro...This is not NHRA...:smt115

I realize its not the NHRA (comparison "bro", comparison) but it might as well be -- how much do you think it costs to "develop" a top 3 piece for this class.

[joesmithz28]

1k hp was a FOS...Nice try!:rolleyes:

??? That's all well and good, you just make it sound like just because someone could bolt together a chevy with more plentiful parts, that they automatically had an advantage. There is nothing plentiful about the kind of combos that are winning in pro stock. They were all developed with lots of dyno/track time, and cost tons of money. Is it harder to find someone to put together a top line poncho or mopar program then a chevy? Maybe. But the chevy guy has no advantage other then the number of potential builders capable of putting together a winning program. If you want to be different, feel free. But don't be pissed because somebody used a combo that is easier to wrap your arms around.

[Dr. Detroit]

Oye.... I'm worn out already and next year isn't even here yet!! There are so many things in life to do besides this.
Hahahaha....Its all good man...got to keep the blood flowing to keep us warm! :)

[Dr. Detroit]

??? That's all well and good, you just make it sound like just because someone could bolt together a chevy with more plentiful parts, that they automatically had an advantage. There is nothing plentiful about the kind of combos that are winning in pro stock. They were all developed with lots of dyno/track time, and cost tons of money. Is it harder to find someone to put together a top line poncho or mopar program then a chevy? Maybe. But the chevy guy has no advantage other then the number of potential builders capable of putting together a winning program. If you want to be different, feel free. But don't be pissed because somebody used a combo that is easier to wrap your arms around.
Say what??? Dude...Have you bumped your head???
I can show you 15 different styles of heads for just the BBC that are competitive not to mention the SBC. Along with Intakes....
I havent even left the Jegs catalog yet...
Shit...CFE right down the street from you offers that alone!!! I know I worked there before I finished college!!! I am not going to hash out R & D with you..
But I will say this, I have been there and seen the development in which all came from the welded up D ports to 861 C port head in which all of them are based off of. Spead port or not!

Show me 5 alum Pontiac heads....Olds, Buick..Even Mopar maybe! In the last 40 YEARS!!!
Show me how they have ranked against the Bowtie boys in any style racing without a handicap exp of TF???

Plus I think your barking up the wrong tree. I have nothing against Chevy. Or the folks that run them.

You need to read a while back in a few different threads in and about NMCA Pro Stock...and what my bitch is...
Better yet..Talk to John Langer ask him how he feels trying to run against the "Holy Grail" only to be singled out given added weight for 08' cuz he was kicking there asses all year!!!

$10 bucks says John will tell you the story of "If's and Butt's were Candy & Nutt's"!!:-D

[joesmithz28]

I agree John got a raw deal...

And my head does kinda hurt. :rolleyes:

[Jeff Chandler]

Damn Dr Detroit(did I spell it right?)Do you know John? Ever talked to John? He doesn't know you, told me that on the phone, so my question is?? How do you know what he has or did or what color his shit is? Hey, just asking.

[Chris Uratchko]

That's real nice Jeff.:smt119

[John Langer]

All together now... All we are saying is, is give piece a chance.

[Dr. Detroit]

Damn Dr Detroit(did I spell it right?)Do you know John? Ever talked to John? He doesn't know you, told me that on the phone, so my question is?? How do you know what he has or did or what color his shit is? Hey, just asking.
Name here is Steve Horton Mr. Chandler....
To answer your question as if I know John Langer??
Answer is no....and if an when I ever do get to know you or John in a manner of speaking the last thing I would want to know is the color of his feces!
Then on the other hand...Perhaps you can enlighten me on why you are getting slightly on the personal attack mode???
I apologize to you Mr. Chandler and or John Langer if anything said was tangible in question!
In the future may I ask of you Jeff if you can keep the personal smack on the way side. No pun was intended on your behalf sweetheart!!! :lol:

My beef is with no one but NMCA.....Mr. Langer was merely used as a reference in terms because he is the latest scapegoat.

[Jeff Chandler]

I guess I did take that "Jeff my wonder slut" a little wrong:-D
I need to take my own advice and learn to co-exsist. Sorry Steve

[FSC Aaron]

My beef is with no one but NMCA......

Damn, I know better (I really do), BUT why do you care so much about something you're not part of?

And no, that's not a personal attack. I'm really curious.

[JOEY BAG "O" DONUTS]

The guy in the olds is gonna clean up next year:rolleyes:

[Jeff Chandler]

I hope Brad does. Good racer with a great attitude.

[Dr. Detroit]

Damn, I know better (I really do), BUT why do you care so much about something you're not part of?

And no, that's not a personal attack. I'm really curious.
Your answer lies in the dismal depths of some black hole that is pronouncing its existence!!!
Oh, ye not run far fair squire the answer is within ones grasp!

Then again, if you had the answer you're seeking would you have a better bartering chip on the table in which you like to make a wager Sir???

I think not...the ill willed and misinformed are always in the position of the opposition.

Yet since you are licking you're chops among the dogs of war....

I shall throw you a bone....

http://www.nmcadigital.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8573&page=2

Enjoy your table fare sir for the rest of us must hunt to survive!!!;)

[Dr. Detroit]

I guess I did take that "Jeff my wonder slut" a little wrong:-D
I need to take my own advice and learn to co-exsist. Sorry Steve
:smt023

[Dr. Detroit]

All together now... All we are saying is, is give piece a chance.
Give a Piece of what a chance Mr. Lennon??? I mean Mr. Langer!!!
Polly Poodle's Pamperd Pudding Pumpkin Pie???:smt077


Peace....:rock:

[FSC Aaron]

Uh...OK. Thanks for your "answer". That explained everything:rolleyes:

Your answer lies in the dismal depths of some black hole that is pronouncing its existence!!!
Oh, ye not run far fair squire the answer is within ones grasp!

Then again, if you had the answer you're seeking would you have a better bartering chip on the table in which you like to make a wager Sir???

I think not...the ill willed and misinformed are always in the position of the opposition.

Yet since you are licking you're chops among the dogs of war....

I shall throw you a bone....

http://www.nmcadigital.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8573&page=2

Enjoy your table fare sir for the rest of us must hunt to survive!!!;)

[smav347]

Your answer lies in the dismal depths of some black hole that is pronouncing its existence!!!
Oh, ye not run far fair squire the answer is within ones grasp!

Then again, if you had the answer you're seeking would you have a better bartering chip on the table in which you like to make a wager Sir???

I think not...the ill willed and misinformed are always in the position of the opposition.

Yet since you are licking you're chops among the dogs of war....

I shall throw you a bone....

http://www.nmcadigital.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8573&page=2

Enjoy your table fare sir for the rest of us must hunt to survive!!!;)

You crazy.

[Dr. Detroit]

You crazy.
Have you met a Hardcore Drag Racer that isn't???:rolleyes:
So with that out of the way...

Next???:axe:

[blown54]

wow has this thread went towards the deep end :p

I do have to ask, Dr. Detroit have you ever ran a heads up class like nmca pro stock or nmra hot street?

[FSC Aaron]

Ahh..I can't wait for the answer to that...

[FSC Aaron]

Have you met a Hardcore Drag Racer that isn't???:rolleyes:
So with that out of the way...

Next???:axe:

Well, your the first one I met that seemed to play too much dungeons and dragons...or were you up late watching King Arthur???:-D

[Chris Uratchko]

This has turned into a very strange thread.... :rolleyes:

[Dr. Detroit]

wow has this thread went towards the deep end :p

I do have to ask, Dr. Detroit have you ever ran a heads up class like nmca pro stock or nmra hot street?
Why No..... I have never raced anything anywhere...
But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express Last Night!!!;)

[Dr. Detroit]

This has turned into a very strange thread.... :rolleyes:
Indeed!!!:rolleyes:

[larry santucci]

Why No..... I have never raced anything anywhere...
But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express Last Night!!!;)

Dat dare is darn funny!

[blown54]

Why No..... I have never raced anything anywhere...
But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express Last Night!!!;)

:smt044

[BWise]

The guy in the olds is gonna clean up next year:rolleyes:

Over the intercom speaker, "Clean up in isle 9" "there's an oil slick" 2 bags of oil dry, STAT! :smt100

[Chris Uratchko]

:smt118

[John Langer]

The olds guy did a pretty good job at cleaning up last year... cleaning up my car for Memphis :)

[BWise]

The olds guy did a pretty good job at cleaning up last year... cleaning up my car for Memphis :)

Ya, That reminds me. That leaky turd left its mark on every surface of my trailer(s). :pGet a diaper for that thing!

[Jeff Chandler]

Man John, you better have bought Brad a nice Christmas present considering he had to fix your junk:-D Honestly, what a good guy. It was cool being in the other lane when he ran his best times of the year. That 8.90 pass I saw nothing but green out the window all the way down.

[John Langer]

Man John, you better have bought Brad a nice Christmas present considering he had to fix your junk:-D Honestly, what a good guy. It was cool being in the other lane when he ran his best times of the year. That 8.90 pass I saw nothing but green out the window all the way down.

Sucks for him the green that you saw was out of your back window :)

[Jeff Chandler]

Man John, your even colder than I thought:-D I heard you like to use'um up then kick it to the curb:-D

[John Langer]

Like Harmon, that's how I roll, lol :)

[BWise]

Langer, "The King" .........of cheap! :smt072

[Jeff Chandler]

No doubt Brad...lol

[Dr. Detroit]

Speaking of "The King"...

Hey Langer.... how is your South Beach Diet going since you gained the weight???

Word is their are a couple Big Ass Mopars coming out of the Big Motor City to woppy some asses on the East Coast next year! :-Daw

[John Langer]

Speaking of "The King"...

Hey Langer.... how is your South Beach Diet going since you gained the weight???

Word is their are a couple Big Ass Mopars coming out of the Big Motor City to woppy some asses on the East Coast next year! :-Daw

My chassis guy told me I can get off the Bud Light and go back to Budweiser. As far as people kicking asses, they can get in line.

[Dr. Detroit]

Hahahaha...You Tell em John!...:smt023

Hey Merry Christmas to you and all the guys from us here!!! ;)

[Chris Uratchko]

You PontYack guys should get a room!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Detroit]

You PontYack guys should get a room!!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas too you also Chris!!!
Then again Jealousy will get ya no where.
It is truely a shame:smt102 you Chebby Guys can't share the love with one another...;)

[John Langer]

You PontYack guys should get a room!!!!!!!!

I have a room but it is getting cluttered by all of the trophies from winning :)

[Chris Uratchko]

LOL Merry Christmas guys.

[Jeff Chandler]

I have a room but it is getting cluttered by all of the trophies from winning

Must be a damn small room:-D

[Team Powerhead]

We hate to inform you that youll be seeing a whole new Team Powerhead for 2008 and unfortunate for the chebby BB Gang it will be Fast and it will be a Ford. You will get see our smiling faces at all NMCA events. :rolleyes:

[Jeff Chandler]

Gee, think we should just stay home? Sell our stuff? We are doomed. And to think we actually thought 2008 was going to be a very competitive year. Oh well, Thanks for the heads-up, I'll leave my junk at home......give me a break.

[John Langer]

We hate to inform you that youll be seeing a whole new Team Powerhead for 2008 and unfortunate for the chebby BB Gang it will be Fast and it will be a Ford. You will get see our smiling faces at all NMCA events. :rolleyes:

Are you guys bringing out a Tiajuana Taxi??

[HotStreet3134]

Gee, think we should just stay home? Sell our stuff? We are doomed. And to think we actually thought 2008 was going to be a very competitive year. Oh well, Thanks for the heads-up, I'll leave my junk at home......give me a break.
Nice touch Jeff! LOL:finga:

[D. Murray]

We hate to inform you that youll be seeing a whole new Team Powerhead for 2008 and unfortunate for the chebby BB Gang it will be Fast and it will be a Ford. You will get see our smiling faces at all NMCA events. :rolleyes:

What car are they going to see?

[HS 3131]

Gee, think we should just stay home? Sell our stuff? We are doomed. And to think we actually thought 2008 was going to be a very competitive year. Oh well, Thanks for the heads-up, I'll leave my junk at home......give me a break.

That was funny.

[Mike DeMayo jr]

Are you guys bringing out a Tiajuana Taxi??

I cant even spell tejawana..:smt119, no just the sn95

John, seen you sticking your toe in the water on the PSCA board asking about weight. What.s your car got to weigh out there 3025# ??

[John Langer]

I cant even spell tejawana..:smt119, no just the sn95

John, seen you sticking your toe in the water on the PSCA board asking about weight. What.s your car got to weigh out there 3025# ??

In around 10 days I am heading out to California for a month for work. I think 3025 is what I would have to weigh.

[Mike DeMayo jr]

In around 10 days I am heading out to California for a month for work. I think 3025 is what I would have to weigh.

Just drive the Pontiac out. The first race is in Vegas and all the casino's have free parking. Heck you will be there and ready

[smav347]

Just drive the Pontiac out. The first race is in Vegas and all the casino's have free parking. Heck you will be there and ready

Hey Mike, if you have any spare SBF's in the trailer this year we should throw one in my Tijuana Taxi! I'll an 8.50 cert cage in a few weeks!

[Mike DeMayo jr]

Hey Mike, if you have any spare SBF's in the trailer this year we should throw one in my Tijuana Taxi! I'll an 8.50 cert cage in a few weeks!

O i got a spare 400ci. Would you like to lease it or buy it ?

better make it a 7.50 cert, 8.50 won't get you past the semi in the psca.

[D. Murray]

Hope you had a good Christmas Jr..
It didn't take long for you to return to the message boards. Let the fun begin:-D

[D. Murray]

Must be a damn small room:-D


Great Picture Jeff. Looks good