Unofficial Final Pro Stock Points for 2007

[Jeff Chandler]

http://www.rpm1.net/jhc/2007%20Pro%20Stock%20Points.doc

[smav347]

Incredible weekend in Pro Stock. Can't wait for next year!

-Jake

[Gary Kubisch]

I'm the ''caboose"...........

Thanks Jeff.

[Jason Reiss]

Wow, 5 points separating #1 and 2.

Congratulations Bruce!

[68Bird]

Hey Jeff,
Nice to meet you in person last weekend. LOVED the wheelie on your bye run in eliminations......I'm sure it wasn't fun from your perspective though.

Craig

[smav347]

I'm the ''caboose"...........

Thanks Jeff.

Gary, bring it out next year for the Pro Stock BOP cover!!!

[Chris Uratchko]

Pro Stock is going to be even better next year I hope. Congrats on your championship Bruce.

[68Bird]

Pro Stock is going to be even better next year I hope. Congrats on your championship Bruce.

Is that because -someone- will have his car back on the track??? I for one would like to see the orange camaro back in action. Except with a 'chebby engine in it this time. ;)

Craig

[Dr. Detroit]

Congrats Bruce on being the champ...:smt023

Although if that Big Bad PonTon of Langer's had not done that wheel stand in Ga I think it may have been a different story!
So with all due respect.. hats off for John Langer for knocking heads with the BBC boys!!!

Now, I hear they are going to add weight to Johns package...

Can anyone answer why???:smt102

[Jeff Chandler]

Jamie Stanton sold his car so he won't be back next year, his car will though.

As for weight on Langer I've been hearing that all year so take that rumor with a grain of salt. Don't feel for Langer, he wasn't at any disadvantage all year. We all knew he was the car to beat at every race.

Craig, same hear. I wish I could have gotten over to your pits to check out your car but after Saturdays last qual tech wanted to verify all of our cid's so we didn't get back to the pits until after 9. Did they place you on the ladder?

[68Bird]

Craig, same hear. I wish I could have gotten over to your pits to check out your car but after Saturdays last qual tech wanted to verify all of our cid's so we didn't get back to the pits until after 9. Did they place you on the ladder?

Nope, didn't get on the ladder for O/C. Entered the bracket class Sunday just so I could make some hits on a good track. It was movin' in the 1/8th, just wish I could have made some full 1/4 passes.

Craig

[John Langer]

Last I heard was I was getting 100lbs for next year. I guess when you scream and cry in the staging lanes about what others are doing or what you think they could do, that is how you get weight thrown on a combo. Hard work counts for NOTHING! For 100lbs, or even 75lbs I will be at every race next year, I just wont be driving a car.

[John Langer]

Jeff, congrats on a great first season.

[Chris Uratchko]

No car? Why not? I would think if you got 75 pounds, you could find some power to overcome it, or close....?? I bet Bischoff could find some.

[Butch Kemp]

Jeff, congrats on a great first season.

x2

[Butch Kemp]

Last I heard was I was getting 100lbs for next year. I guess when you scream and cry in the staging lanes about what others are doing or what you think they could do, that is how you get weight thrown on a combo. Hard work counts for NOTHING! For 100lbs, or even 75lbs I will be at every race next year, I just wont be driving a car.

Sounds good to me.

[Jeff Chandler]

Thanks John and Butch. We had a blast and I got along with everyone. If the weight adder is true John just remember this, your hard work isn't un-noticed and is appreciated. I doubt this is any consolation but it's sincere. Good job on your year John.

[John Langer]

Jeff, you want to put a bbc in a Pontiac?

[68Bird]

Jeff, you want to put a bbc in a Pontiac?

Oh man, I hope it doesn't have to come to that.

Craig

[Jeff Chandler]

Are you serious John?

[John Langer]

Very!

[gus shultz]

they are adding weight to johns car because its a pontiac period. the chevy guys must have bitched and moaned to no end that a pontiac is not only keeping up but whoopin there asses! CMAFR:CMAFR:chevy guys lol you have more new heads in 1 year than pontiac will ever have X10. i remeber phil montieth telling me that in the 70s when he was setting nhra super stock and gt records, when he got home from that race hed go to the mailbox and the letter from the nhra would already be in there factoring his hp. lol its a shame we cant have variety on a level playing field. anyhow congrats to john on another great year. the only was to screw em is come out in 08 with the extra hundered and win it all!

[Jeff Chandler]

Gus, your dead wrong. I have a Chevy and never once complained to anyone about anything. If you know someone that complained call them out, don't loop us all together just because we run Chevys. As far as John kicking the chevys ass, I thought it was a pretty darn competitive year, Pontiac-2 wins, BBC-3 wins and a SBF with 1 win.
John knows 100% where I stand, it's impossible for any of us to know if he has an advantage or not unless everyone is 100% optimized, I know I'm not. The only river I'm crying is that the year is over and it's 6 months before we race again.

[Dr. Detroit]

I think I am going to have to agree with Gus & John. I think it is bullshit that Langer stepped it up a notch on the Chevys and this is going to happen. 100lbs more weight added for what???
We ran Pontiac for years in S/G and they are 7 times the work to make them run with the chevys. Then once you get one running this kinda shit always pans out..

Phuck em John, dial that Bad Bitch up another notch!!!
If I or My Partner meet and see ya next year I'll help you out anyway I can so you keep kicking theirs asses up and down the 1320..WEIGHT OR NOT!!!

Good Job Langer!!!:smt023

[Jeff Chandler]

Pecker heads everywhere.

[Dr. Detroit]

Pecker heads everywhere.
Nothing on you Jeff..Dont take it that way :) ..I watched. You..did great keep up good work and congrats on a good season.
But I think it is BS that John gets stapped with that shit....because he is busting his ass to get that monster to run in the field!
My opinion!

[Jeff Chandler]

Sorry.

My suggestion to EVERYONE is to spend less time worrying about other competitors and worry about your own stuff. Learn how to co-exsist, make friends, have a good time. Sometimes I wonder if we really realize how lucky we are to do this stuff, I know I do.

[Dr. Detroit]

Sorry.

My suggestion to EVERYONE is to spend less time worrying about other competitors and worry about your own stuff. Learn how to co-exsist, make friends, have a good time. Sometimes I wonder if we really realize how lucky we are to do this stuff, I know I do.
X2...100%:smt023

[John Langer]

Jeff and Kim have been nothing but a class act in NMCA Pro Stock. They work hard on their combo and have NEVER bickered or complained about rules, what I am doing or about what others are doing. I know Jeff would go out of his way to help anyone in this class, me in included. Now that Kemp kid... :)

[Dr. Detroit]

Jeff and Kim have been nothing but a class act in NMCA Pro Stock. They work hard on their combo and have NEVER bickered or complained about rules, what I am doing or about what others are doing. I know Jeff would go out of his way to help anyone in this class, me in included. Now that Kemp kid... :)
X2 You can tell how he writes John...Jeff sounds very kind, open minded and laid back.
Never the less I along with others as you see don't like it when the under motored guys like yourself get hit with BS when some one works there asses off to get a combo working only to start taking down the Chevy's.
Gus in a few posts back hit it on the head. Chevy BBC is the Holy Grail and when you get a chance to throw it down and kick it over into the mud guys that run them get pissed off! Too Bad...I say!!!:smt065

Guys that run motors like Real Pontiac/ Buick/ Olds Engines not corporate Chevy/Pontiac/ Olds shit understand that we can't run over to the local engine builder plop down 30, 40 , 60 or100k pull one off the shelf and go be competitive without turning a wrench on it like the Chevy's.

Again Congrats too Jeff and you for a good finish. Sorry about your little bit of bad luck John but atleast you did one hell of a job saving the car and didn't get hurt!
Love the Pon Ton bro..
Keep it kicking....:smt023 and Good Luck to all of you next year!!!

Steve Horton

[Butch Kemp]

Jeff and Kim have been nothing but a class act in NMCA Pro Stock. They work hard on their combo and have NEVER bickered or complained about rules, what I am doing or about what others are doing. I know Jeff would go out of his way to help anyone in this class, me in included. Now that Kemp kid... :)

What???What?????

[Jeff Chandler]

Steve, you do realize that John weighs 225-250 lbs less than the BB Chevys and he only made about 40-50hp less than the BB's? It's not like he's running at our weight. As for his heads, I think they are pretty good and fairly new castings.
I've learned more this year about engine tuning than I ever have and it's not because my engine was a plug in and play model, they all take work to make go down the track.

I'm just defending my side as you are defending yours Steve. Nobody out there has put together a small effort.

[Dr. Detroit]

Steve, you do realize that John weighs 225-250 lbs less than the BB Chevys and he only made about 40-50hp less than the BB's? It's not like he's running at our weight. As for his heads, I think they are pretty good and fairly new castings.
I've learned more this year about engine tuning than I ever have and it's not because my engine was a plug in and play model, they all take work to make go down the track.

I'm just defending my side as you are defending yours Steve. Nobody out there has put together a small effort.
Jeff, with all due respect, you know what I meant when I say you can get BBC off the shelf.
Show me 5 "Real" Pontiac engine builders making 1khp on or better on gas natural puffin! Show me one of those builders..that keeps them on the shelf!!

Sure you have to work at all of them to be competitive. Your class being one of the toughest around!!!
I tell ya though. No one knows that better then my partner and I when we were in NHRA S/G class running as all steel Pontiac stuff running with the likes of Rampy, Gecker, Nickens and the Coughlin Bros Big Inch Chevy/Olds Corp when they were in S/G years back.
I know what John and others are up against, Yet I didn't know he was that much lighter.... still. Considering what he is up against:confused:
And if what you say is true Jeff, that John is 40 or 50 hp down from the BBC engines then I say this. Two things here...One Langer has done his homework and two SHAME ON THE BBC!!! Thats Drag Racing Sport Fans!!!

But, Langer is not running away with the class hes just in there with the best right???

Yes the Pontiac's are making a come back with new heads online. But barely anyone testing them unlike the Gazillion "Turn Key" heads and other parts available for the BBC.
But that's not the only thing. Pontiac lower(s) & spinning assemblies also is just coming online also. Where we ran super balanced cast cranks @7k because there were no steel that was even heard of not so long ago!

Again, I am not taken anyones effort away..NO NO NO! I have too much respect for all of you banging it up out there. The bottom line is that the BBC is the "Holy Grail" and when someone steps up, knocks heads with them people piss and moan, piss and moan until the other guy takes the hit! Look at the Mopar Boys, better yet the BBF!!!

With that said Jeff, I guess in turn I should on the other hand ask you why are you running a BBC in a Ford??? The BBF are making a come back???
You don't have to answer to something I and others all ready know. Because if you had a BBF in the stang and went out there hitting on 3 out of 6 events you would be in the same boat as Langer right now!!! In the middle of a Chevy Pow Wow bitch fest!!!

I think you see what I am getting at.

When a guy of a different breed comes around things circle and blow dust up around the Chevy.
Langer not to be far apart from the Great Bob Glidden running a Ford in a Chevy camp.
Wayne County Mopars also even tho they were said to be cheating but never proved out.

Billy G goes through the same shit with his SBF!! Yet he steps it up each time!!

Guys like this...Got it going on..... don't bust their balls and run them away with penalties every flipping time because their winning!!!

Admire their efforts is all I am saying....

Now I think I am coming down with a cold from my little one..:lol: I hate this Michigan weather!!

Nice hackin shit over with you Jeff, you did good this year!!!

I wish you all the best!!!

Steve

[gus shultz]

Gus, your dead wrong. I have a Chevy and never once complained to anyone about anything. If you know someone that complained call them out, don't loop us all together just because we run Chevys. As far as John kicking the chevys ass, I thought it was a pretty darn competitive year, Pontiac-2 wins, BBC-3 wins and a SBF with 1 win.
John knows 100% where I stand, it's impossible for any of us to know if he has an advantage or not unless everyone is 100% optimized, I know I'm not. The only river I'm crying is that the year is over and it's 6 months before we race again.
with all do respect jeff, the only way weight is added , if 1 car is totally dominating, and as you say - with pontiac- 2 wins, bbc 3 wins and sbf-1, well that seems pretty even to mee doesnt it seem even to you ? bbc already had more wins, now with the extra 100 it will set john back ( hopefully not) . its obvious the rule makers want bbc to have a huge advantage. i respect all racers, its hard as hell to make a car go fast and do it consistantly. but seriuosly , think about it, another 100 lbs on a pontiac? when did pontiac become such a dominant force. with more wins- the bbc should get the weight no? people should post with thier brains not thier hearts. sure im a pontiac guy, only a heavy pro street car, but imo, i think adding weight to the ponchos is insane, just my .02 . and great job to all of the pro stock racers this year!

[Butch Kemp]

All this BBC and Pontiac crap!!!!!! what about the small block chevy???how many races has that combo won in the past 3 years ??? I have the answer. 1

[Jeff Chandler]

Jeff, with all due respect, you know what I meant when I say you can get BBC off the shelf.
Show me 5 "Real" Pontiac engine builders making 1khp on or better on gas natural puffin! Show me one of those builders..that keeps them on the shelf!!

Agreed

I know what John and others are up against, Yet I didn't know he was that much lighter.... still. Considering what he is up against
And if what you say is true Jeff, that John is 40 or 50 hp down from the BBC engines then I say this. Two things here...One Langer has done his homework and two SHAME ON THE BBC!!! Thats Drag Racing Sport Fans!!!

John has done his homework and lobbied for weight breaks and the Tiger cylinder heads which I believe he deserved. Does he deserve 100lb penalty? Nope, I don't agree with that. Does he deserve any type of penalty? As I mentioned before, I don't know, honestly. I think some of this had to do with aborted passes in the first 3 races that had very good et and no mph. I think that got a lot of people up in a tizzy. John knows what I'm talking about because I've joked with him about it many times. Nobody said John wasn't smart;)
As for the shame on the BBC's, I guess I don't understand that comment. Making 1140 hp with a conventional head is hardly anything to be ashamed of, I know I'm not but I do understand your point. Chevy's have been around and we do have a lot of options but not in conventional cylinder heads. I believe John has the best Pontiac head and I have the best BB Chevy cylinder heads.

With that said Jeff, I guess in turn I should on the other hand ask you why are you running a BBC in a Ford???

Because when we made the decision to buy the engine that was the dominant engine. If I knew then what I know now I'd probably have a SBF in the car so I could run Hot Street and Pro Stock but the rules had a total makeover during the winter. All in all, I'm pretty happy with my decision.


I honestly believe I can run with John without the weight being added. My car is lagging behind as far as technology goes. I still run a steel driveshaft, my centersection is nothing more than a old Strange case with a steel spool and a very inefficient STREET gear set, heavy none lightened axles, headers that have primarys that very, very long, my car sits to high and a few other things that I know can make a difference. If it was me I would leave the rules as they are and make adjustments here and there but not until next year but I have no voice nor would it matter, I'm just racing my car and having a good time, I can't see nothing to bitch about:)

[Jeff Chandler]

Fastest passes this year.

John Langer 8.61 Pontiac
Bruce Michale 8.62 BB Chevy
Jeremy Harris 8.66 SB Chevy
Mike Demayo 8.68 SB Ford

[Ben Mens]

All this BBC and Pontiac crap!!!!!! what about the small block chevy???how many races has that combo won in the past 3 years ??? I have the answer. 1

I thought you were going to get that Maverick & a SBF? :)

[Chris Uratchko]

All this BBC and Pontiac crap!!!!!! what about the small block chevy???how many races has that combo won in the past 3 years ??? I have the answer. 1


I'd like for you to fix that next year!

[Butch Kemp]

I thought you were going to get that Maverick & a SBF? :)
Time will tell Ben, time will tell.............never say never.

[Butch Kemp]

By the way Ben, congrats on your H/S championship. You guys worked for it.Very nice working cars and combinations.

[bad gas racing]

Fastest passes this year.

John Langer 8.61 Pontiac
Bruce Michale 8.62 BB Chevy
Jeremy Harris 8.66 SB Chevy
Mike Demayo 8.68 SB Ford


didnt you run 8.64 in joliet?? or 8.67??

[Jeff Chandler]

No, fastest pass for me was a 71.

[John Langer]

Fastest pass for me in Joliet was a .70. I believe that after mid season dyno tuning, I was 82hp down from the BBC and am only 175lbs lighter.

[Jeff Chandler]

Why were you running heavy John?

[Butch Kemp]

my math says 225 also??
or do you mean after the weight hit comes??

[John Langer]

Jeff, by heavy do you mean 5 to 10 lbs over? My math says 225 as well, then add in the nostalgia.

[John Langer]

Here are some numbers by race

Bradenton
BBC 8.621 @ 157.83
me 8.610 @ 158.20
Pontiac wins race over a lifting bbc

Bowling Green
BBC 8.667 @ 159.44
me 8.723 @ 158.09
BBC wins race over sbc

Columbus
BBC 8.81 @ 156
SBF 8.81
me 8.835 @ 154.33
Pontiac wins race over sbf getting loose at 1/2 track

RT 66
bbc 8.737 @ 157.37
me 8.706 @ 156.03
BBC over BBC

Milan (only 1 qual run then race rained out)
sbc 8.661 @ 157.77
me 8.627 @ 158.02

Commerce
BBC 8.71 @ 158.45
SBF 8.71
me 8.89 (had problems in qual, broken valve springs)
SBF over SBF in finals

Memphis
bbc 8.683 @ 157.28
me 8.653 @ 156.37
BBC over me on a hole shot

By the numbers, it looks like the sbc might need 25lbs or so or the glide needs 25lbs, that's it. I dont see where I outran anyone by a ton.

[Butch Kemp]

Here are some numbers by race

Bradenton
BBC 8.621 @ 157.83
me 8.610 @ 158.20
Pontiac wins race over a lifting bbc

Bowling Green
BBC 8.667 @ 159.44
me 8.723 @ 158.09
BBC wins race over sbc

Columbus
BBC 8.81 @ 156
SBF 8.81
me 8.835 @ 154.33
Pontiac wins race over sbf getting loose at 1/2 track

RT 66
bbc 8.737 @ 157.37
me 8.706 @ 156.03
BBC over BBC

Milan (only 1 qual run then race rained out)
sbc 8.661 @ 157.77
me 8.627 @ 158.02

Commerce
BBC 8.71 @ 158.45
SBF 8.71
me 8.89 (had problems in qual, broken valve springs)
SBF over SBF in finals

Memphis
bbc 8.683 @ 157.28
me 8.653 @ 156.37
BBC over me on a hole shot

By the numbers, it looks like the sbc might need 25lbs or so or the glide needs 25lbs, that's it. I dont see where I outran anyone by a ton.
which sbc, the 15 degree combo??? how is it fair that the 10-14 degree head takes 75 more lbs???glide leave alone.We all have our opinions on what is right.
My main question is............In the past 3 years, what has been the more favorable combo "proven"????????
out of 20+ races how many have been won by a small block powered car???

[Chris Uratchko]

John you and I both know that .62 at Milan was the result of a very large wheel stand that you drove out of... that run would have been in the .50's.

[John Langer]

John you and I both know that .62 at Milan was the result of a very large wheel stand that you drove out of... that run would have been in the .50's.

And you and I both know that the 8.66 that the sbc ran was the first pass on a new motor with a soft (for a 3,000lb car) 1.277 60' for a sbc that was over weight by 30-80 lbs.

[Butch Kemp]

Ok so jeremy's 66 turns into a 62 and your 62 turns into a 58 or 59.

[Jeff Chandler]

Hey, while ya'll are at it can you turn my 71 into something good:-D

[John Langer]

Ok so jeremy's 66 turns into a 62 and your 62 turns into a 58 or 59.

So is .03 worth 100lbs??? Even the kids on the short bus with the cherry flavored windows can figure that one out.

[Dr. Detroit]

So is .03 worth 100lbs??? Even the kids on the short bus with the cherry flavored windows can figure that one out.
Hahahahaha :smt023

[Butch Kemp]

So is .03 worth 100lbs??? Even the kids on the short bus with the cherry flavored windows can figure that one out.

No, havent we been through this??
Answer my question above, When has a small block ever been on the dominant side of things??I feel your pain, but again you are the only person with that combo, there's noone else to compare to.Where did the 100 lbs come from?? I have heard your overall weight hit will be 50, that sounds like .03

[Butch Kemp]

If Jeremy or anyone else with a sbc can put runs back to back for a weekend and win several races then that combo should take weight,if it continues to win,not from one qual pass.

[Butch Kemp]

And you and I both know that the 8.66 that the sbc ran was the first pass on a new motor with a soft (for a 3,000lb car) 1.277 60' for a sbc that was over weight by 30-80 lbs.

You brought me into your motorhome and told me without short shifting 14-1500 that would have been a 50something.

[John Langer]

I agree with you, we have both been told by a very reliable souce that the 15* junk can make the same power as the 10* junk. Seems that the penalty for the 10* junk should be re-visited.

[John Langer]

You brought me into your motorhome and told me without short shifting 14-1500 that would have been a 50something.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh what a christmas it would be.

[Butch Kemp]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh what a christmas it would be.

Merry Christmas. Is it too hot to snow in Phoenix??

[John Langer]

It still gets up to the lower 90's during the day but at night when it is only 70, you need a jacket. Oh and thank you to everyone that pays an electric bill, i am getting double time today to sit here and play on the computer.

[Butch Kemp]

Im putting up a windmill.

[John Langer]

I know what trailer I would put a hydro electric plant next too :)

[Dr. Detroit]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh what a christmas it would be.
"The real strong have no need to prove it to the phonies.” :cool:

[Chris Uratchko]

And you and I both know that the 8.66 that the sbc ran was the first pass on a new motor with a soft (for a 3,000lb car) 1.277 60' for a sbc that was over weight by 30-80 lbs.


Jeremys car was a fresh, new engine with a brand new cylinder head. It's stout no doubt. Everyone elses stuff seems to be off from the beginning of the year... Butch went a 66 this year in the same conditions at the same track, probably in the same lane at the same weight. But it was fresh.

To be completely honest, I'd just rather not have an opinion on whether you need weight or not. I'm racing next year and plan to be competitive, and I hope you will be racing too.

[gus shultz]

It still gets up to the lower 90's during the day but at night when it is only 70, you need a jacket. Oh and thank you to everyone that pays an electric bill, i am getting double time today to sit here and play on the computer.
oh man you suck- im here in your old stomping grounds of trumbull ct and its phucking freezing already!

[BGM890]

Congrads to John for running a Pontiac in his Pontiac instead of ruining a Pontiac with a crap division engine. I am sure it has been tough with the inline valve head and the Pontiac's stock bore spacing as compared to the wide bore spacing of the bbc plus thier canted valve arrangement. At least finally some good parts are coming out for the Pontiac engine.

[gus shultz]

Congrads to John for running a Pontiac in his Pontiac instead of ruining a Pontiac with a crap division engine. I am sure it has been tough with the inline valve head and the Pontiac's stock bore spacing as compared to the wide bore spacing of the bbc plus thier canted valve arrangement. At least finally some good parts are coming out for the Pontiac engine.
great post, couldnt have said it better myself!

[hsutton]

they are adding weight to johns car because its a pontiac period. the chevy guys must have bitched and moaned to no end that a pontiac is not only keeping up but whoopin there asses! CMAFR:CMAFR:chevy guys lol you have more new heads in 1 year than pontiac will ever have X10. i remeber phil montieth telling me that in the 70s when he was setting nhra super stock and gt records, when he got home from that race hed go to the mailbox and the letter from the nhra would already be in there factoring his hp. lol its a shame we cant have variety on a level playing field. anyhow congrats to john on another great year. the only was to screw em is come out in 08 with the extra hundered and win it all! Put that same engine and drivetrain in a later model Pontiac. The most aero body is th 82-92 one and they are plentiful. I recently saw a real good looking 84 Trans Am at Mo-Kan, Mo. The engine sat way back in the body, they have a torque arm suspension and are real slippery. Should easily overcome the added 100 lbs. I read somewhere that the body only has a .299 CD on the 84 T.A..

[hsutton]

Here are some numbers by race

Bradenton
BBC 8.621 @ 157.83
me 8.610 @ 158.20
Pontiac wins race over a lifting bbc

Bowling Green
BBC 8.667 @ 159.44
me 8.723 @ 158.09
BBC wins race over sbc

Columbus
BBC 8.81 @ 156
SBF 8.81
me 8.835 @ 154.33
Pontiac wins race over sbf getting loose at 1/2 track

RT 66
bbc 8.737 @ 157.37
me 8.706 @ 156.03
BBC over BBC

Milan (only 1 qual run then race rained out)
sbc 8.661 @ 157.77
me 8.627 @ 158.02

Commerce
BBC 8.71 @ 158.45
SBF 8.71
me 8.89 (had problems in qual, broken valve springs)
SBF over SBF in finals

Memphis
bbc 8.683 @ 157.28
me 8.653 @ 156.37
BBC over me on a hole shot

By the numbers, it looks like the sbc might need 25lbs or so or the glide needs 25lbs, that's it. I dont see where I outran anyone by a ton. What bodies were the winners using, nostalgia or late models?

[John Langer]

I was the only nostalgia body. Not many were campaigned this year. Fox body cars won 2 races, nostalgia 2 races, late model f-body 2 races.