LAPD and illegal immagration

[George Klass]

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/SpecialOrder40.html

I wonder how many other local, city and state jurisdictions are also doing much the same thing, not even trying to determine who is here legally and who is not, even after arresting a suspect for an unrelated crime?

Here it is in a nutshell. The LAPD management (not the cops in the street) says that illegal immagration is a federal crime, and as such, it should only be handled by the feds (ICE). And of course, the feds are doing almost nothing about the problem so the problem only becomes larger.

Special Order 40, the much hated "mandate" for the LAPD tells the cops that they shouldn't even ASK if a suspect is here legally or not. This in not a law, but a local mandate.

The citizens of L.A., of course, think that this mandate is bull shit, but like most citizens of citys, states or of America, have little or no say in the way the government is run. This is not news, is it?

And while the LAPD refuses to address the growing illegal alien problem by saying, "it's up to the feds to do it, not us.", they still show up Code 3 at the banks when the silent alarms are ringing. Isn't bank robbery a federal crime? I always thought it was. Why doesn't the LAPD simply notify the banks and tell them, "call the FBI, it's a federal crime."

[sigman]

L.A. is just a fucked-up shithole. I lived there some years ago. It sucked.

[George Klass]

Like I have said before, if it wasn't for the weather, that place would have been buried years ago. I was born in L.A., Hollywood actually, and went to school there. It was a great place to grow up, in the 1940's and 1950's and even into the 60's. I wouldn't live there today on a bet. Upland, CA is about 45 miles from L.A. and that's close enough. I try to avoid even driving through the city of L.A.

[RRRAAAYYY2]

Like I have said before, if it wasn't for the weather, that place would have been buried years ago. I was born in L.A., Hollywood actually, and went to school there. It was a great place to grow up, in the 1940's and 1950's and even into the 60's. I wouldn't live there today on a bet. Upland, CA is about 45 miles from L.A. and that's close enough. I try to avoid even driving through the city of L.A.
George are you Native American? I ask because no white people had even been to California until decades after you were born.

[hammered54]

ahh George, no say? the people (sheeple) do have a say it's called voting, and if you don't like what is said or done there in your fine city/state/country do somthig about it. and the old saying "there all the same" well you know as well as I know that also can be changed. Matt

[George Klass]

LOL, you are right. Weren't the Spaniards the ones that first discovered CA? And then the Wahsoe Indians settled here and then the Mexicans. In fact, part of California is still in Mexico (Baha California). The land that's the City of Los Angeles (about 490 square miles) was originally four or five huge
Mexican "Rancheros". At the turn of the Century, all the land records for the state were held not in Sacremento but in San Francisco. During the San Francisco earthquake in 1906, many of these original land grants and deeds were stolen by James Irvine. He paid off the local sheriff's to throw many of the legal Mexican land owners off their own property and basically made Orange County his own property, from the Pacific Ocean to the San Gabriel Mountains.

You're right Ray, maybe it's me that's the outsider.

[patman]

illegel is illegel period. the cops should be allowed to do their jobs and jurisdiction should be worried about after the fact

[George Klass]

I disagree hammer. Voting only works if you are able to vote for someone that represents a change. If all the candidates represent the status quo, why bother?

Think of it this way. You are driving down the road and you have a blowout. You pull off the road and open your trunk, and find two spare tires. Both of them are flat too. That's what we have today. All the candidates are flat tires. They are ALL blowouts, regardless if they are "left side" or "right side" tires.

In Los Angeles, the Police Chief is hired (and fired) by the Mayor. The Mayor's name is Antonio Villagrosa (or something like that). When he was elected, he promised to reprent the citizens of L.A., all the citizens of L.A. Now he gives most of his Press Conferences in Spanish, and is banging his girlfriend who is a reporter for some Spanish Language TV station (his wife is divorcing him). Does that tell you anything about L.A. politics?

It's not what they say, it's what they do that counts. We will soon be going through another national election in this country, and all of the candidates will be giving speeches, all telling us the great things they are going to do for us. And many of you will be listening intently and making your voting decisions based on what these lying bastards say. Yeah, you bet. Excuse me if I pass. I have been lied to by the best of 'em ("Read my lips, no new taxes" - Bush's daddy) since I first voted in 1960 when I turned 21. Excuse me if I pass.

[Hammer59]

I disagree hammer. Voting only works if you are able to vote for someone that represents a change. If all the candidates represent the status quo, why bother?

Do I have to change my name now with two hammers on this board? FUCK...

[FordRacing250]

LA City is a fucked place.. Im about 20 minutes from there, and i try to avoid it at all cost. hollyweird is now ghetto.... its a place for the tourist to go and get robbed.. west la sucks, too many rich people who think their shit dont stink...
i go all over CA but the city of LA is one place id rather not spend my time..

[Shelton_Barrs]

LA City is a fucked place.. Im about 20 minutes from there, and i try to avoid it at all cost. hollyweird is now ghetto.... its a place for the tourist to go and get robbed.. west la sucks, too many rich people who think their shit dont stink...
i go all over CA but the city of LA is one place id rather not spend my time..

I went out there about 15 years ago to San Deigo. Went up to see Hollyowod and do the tourist thing. I was not impressed, place looked terrbile. Cant imagine it has gotten any better.
With all the crime a stuff it is a wonder anyone goes there. I worked/lived around N.O. for about 20 years. Crime was terrible until the thugs started making the mistake of killing tourists. It becames a major concern real quick and the Quarter got cleaned up a good bit. Still not what it should have been but it got much better.

[BJCRAZYZ]

i find it funny the police department dosent feel the need to enforce the immagration laws, when 80% of the crime is all done by illegals, they clame to not have enough police to handle the crime that they have right now in LA
but if the illegals were gone, they wouldnt need half of the police force they have now! maybe thats why they dont want to enforce it, its job security

i find it funny how the latin population breeds like rabbits!! maybe part of our immagration policy should be mandatory sterilazation for all incoming immagrints

[Hammer59]

i find it funny the police department dosent feel the need to enforce the immagration laws, when 80% of the crime is all done by illegals, they clame to not have enough police to handle the crime that they have right now in LA
but if the illegals were gone, they wouldnt need half of the police force they have now! maybe thats why they dont want to enforce it, its job security

i find it funny how the latin population breeds like rabbits!! maybe part of our immagration policy should be mandatory sterilazation for all incoming immagrints

I would like to nut them fockers just like I nut a steer.
You grab the nut sack an twist that focker until theirs balls pull or fall off. No pain killers needed.

[George Klass]

This is the Catch-22, Jason, about local or state laws vs. federal laws. Normally, federal laws supercede non-federal laws, and are also prosecuted by federal attorneys and not District Attorneys, and in different courts of law. We assume that each jurisdiction is dealing with their own crimes, but as far as illegal immagration is concerned, this isn't happening. Alot of this goes back to the State's Rights vs. the rights of the federal government. Just how much clout does a state have vs. the federal government (check with Abe Lincoln). Apperently this is not a clear cut question. For instance, if a local cop arrests someone for being in this country illegally, they are forbidden to put him on the first bus to Mexico. Only the feds can do that, and as we have seen over the years, the feds don't want to disrupt this cheap labor pool just because these aliens are breaking the law.

The federal government's main priority and primary reason for being in existence is to protect the citizens of the United States of America, and this they are not doing. The federal government apperently refuses to do it and what's worse, in my opinion, is that they are telling the states, "you are not allowed to do it either."

[taxman]

I would like to nut them fockers just like I nut a steer.
You grab the nut sack an twist that focker until theirs balls pull or fall off. No pain killers needed.

"It's Hammer time".

[Hammer59]

Don't worry. They're only killing the people that Americans can't be bothered to kill.

[Shelton_Barrs]

Don't worry. They're only killing the people that Americans can't be bothered to kill.

Huh?

[George Klass]

Maybe he's talking about the gang bangers, who knows?

I know several guys with the LAPD, most of whom have worked out of 77th St. Station at one time or another. The gang members kill other gang members on a regular basis, sometime 2 or 3 a day. And you can guess how high up on the list of "things to do today" the LAPD puts finding out which gangbanger did the actual shooting, can you not?

[Hammer59]

[quote=George Klass;413076]Maybe he's talking about the gang bangers, who knows?

quote]

You're a smart man George, I knew you would catch on.
"The jobs that americans won't do"
I have a mood disorder today.
Is 2008 here yet?

[patman]

Don't worry. They're only killing the people that Americans can't be bothered to kill.

:smt081:smt081:smt081:smt081

[Shelton_Barrs]

[quote=George Klass;413076]Maybe he's talking about the gang bangers, who knows?

quote]

You're a smart man George, I knew you would catch on.
"The jobs that americans won't do"
I have a mood disorder today.
Is 2008 here yet?
The problem is it is not just the illegals doing the killing....lots of gang bangers are Americans...and that is the real problem, along with the apathy that most have for the situation. Who cares, it just bangers killing bangers, right? Well how about the familes of the 4 college kids in Jersey? Or the family of the 4 yr old girl that got shot dead in her bed because some punk cant shoot for shit? Or the family of the 57 yr old woman in Cali that got gunned down in here car for having the nerve to blink her lights and blow her horn at some punk "tagging" a wall by her house?
You had the same deal in New Orleans with the bangers and dealers and as long as it was just them (for the most part) getting killed no one gave a damn. Then Katrina hit and look what happened? Do you think it would be any different if it had been Miami? Or Atlanta? Detroit? LA?

[George Klass]

Why don't we arrest them and put them in Gitmo? Why are street gangs allowed to be just a "local problem"? Why isn't the federal government putting an emphasys on eradicating the street gangs around the country rather than spending billions (trillions?) in Iraq? "Homeland Security" is just a catchy name, isn't it? Where is the "War on Gangs"? I don't know the statistics (and I'm sure that the feds don't want me to know) but how many more citizens have been killed by gangs running loose in our cities than died on 9/11?

Is it just me or are the priorities in America out of phase with reality? What is Fred Thompson or Hillary Clinton or Obama going to do about the gang warfare in America? I can answer that. Nothing,.....it's a "local problem" and there is no money in it for their friends at Halliburton and the rest of their business buddies.

[hammered54]

why do you care George? you don't seem to do anything but piss a moan about here, you've said it yourself " why bother they all the same" just wasting my vote! do you ever raise these ? to anybody outside of this fourm? you sound like a bitter old man to me! why don't you run for an office and start the change,

[Shelton_Barrs]

A "war on gangs"...If the answer was only that simple.

[hammered54]

Do I have to change my name now with two hammers on this board? FUCK...[/quote]

:confused: no it'll be o.k. although are view's do seem to be the same on some thing's and way distaned on other's I think everone will know who we are

[George Klass]

To answer your question hammered54, I could never be a politition and run for public office, even if I wanted too. To be a winning candidiate today you are required to tell people what they WANT to hear, which is usually a long way from the truth. The voting public is made up of idiots that determine who gets elected as if it were American Idol. All perception and image and cute little sound bytes (the Karl Rove formula) and bullshit.

And though I may be an "old man" as you say, I'm not bitter, far from it. I'm making out just fine. Finally, I'm not "pissing and moaning" about anything. I'm trying to call attention to the negative and unworkable and corrupt areas of the government and it's relationship to our society. You need to learn how to read between the lines with me. While the government may never work like a well oiled machine, it would be nice if it at least stopped throwing sand in the gears.

[Hammer59]

why do you care George? you don't seem to do anything but piss a moan about here, you've said it yourself " why bother they all the same" just wasting my vote! do you ever raise these ? to anybody outside of this fourm? you sound like a bitter old man to me! why don't you run for an office and start the change,

You saying that all George does is piss an moan pisses me the fuck off.
George is trying to make people aware of all the dirty ass politicians milking the people to death.

I got an idea for ya, why don't you run for office. You would fit right in with the rest of the crooks.

An for you calling him a bitter old man you need your punk ass kicked for that.
get the fuck outa here ass wipe. George owns this place!

[BJCRAZYZ]

Why don't we arrest them and put them in Gitmo? Why are street gangs allowed to be just a "local problem"? Why isn't the federal government putting an emphasys on eradicating the street gangs around the country rather than spending billions (trillions?) in Iraq? "Homeland Security" is just a catchy name, isn't it? Where is the "War on Gangs"? I don't know the statistics (and I'm sure that the feds don't want me to know) but how many more citizens have been killed by gangs running loose in our cities than died on 9/11?

Is it just me or are the priorities in America out of phase with reality? What is Fred Thompson or Hillary Clinton or Obama going to do about the gang warfare in America? I can answer that. Nothing,.....it's a "local problem" and there is no money in it for their friends at Halliburton and the rest of their business buddies.
carl had a good idea, he said the street gangs would be the last line of defense against an invading force, lets start paying these guys to hunt down terrorist cells who are already here in this country, take the attention off them killing each other and focus it on something more beneficial for the american public, hell, we can even give them a plastic sherriffs badge, and a pension plan:-D

[hammered54]

You saying that all George does is piss an moan pisses me the fuck off.
George is trying to make people aware of all the dirty ass politicians milking the people to death.

I got an idea for ya, why don't you run for office. You would fit right in with the rest of the crooks.

An for you calling him a bitter old man you need your punk ass kicked for that.
get the fuck outa here ass wipe. George owns this place!

I've read enough to understand what George is saying and have no real big problem with it , it's the way he want's it and that is that,
as for you wanting to kick my ass and calling me a crook, well come on over and see me! I've got no problem with that! I'm sure with your vast knowledge and resource's you can find me.

[taxman]

Have you two ever read the Federally required warning on hammers? You are not supposed to be struck together. Now knock it off before some one who isn't wearing saftey glasses gets something in their eye and Monty gets sued for a boatload of money.:p

[hammered54]

Have you two ever read the Federally required warning on hammers? You are not supposed to be struck together. Now knock it off before some one who isn't wearing saftey glasses gets something in their eye and Monty gets sued for a boatload of money.:p

not a problem! we would'n want him to have to cancel his fishing trip!!

[Greg27]

that dos hammers

[Greg27]

This is the Catch-22, Jason, about local or state laws vs. federal laws. Normally, federal laws supercede non-federal laws, and are also prosecuted by federal attorneys and not District Attorneys, and in different courts of law. We assume that each jurisdiction is dealing with their own crimes, but as far as illegal immagration is concerned, this isn't happening. Alot of this goes back to the State's Rights vs. the rights of the federal government. Just how much clout does a state have vs. the federal government (check with Abe Lincoln). Apperently this is not a clear cut question. For instance, if a local cop arrests someone for being in this country illegally, they are forbidden to put him on the first bus to Mexico. Only the feds can do that, and as we have seen over the years, the feds don't want to disrupt this cheap labor pool just because these aliens are breaking the law.

The federal government's main priority and primary reason for being in existence is to protect the citizens of the United States of America, and this they are not doing. The federal government apperently refuses to do it and what's worse, in my opinion, is that they are telling the states, "you are not allowed to do it either."
Theres another fine one for you George, the county attorney supposedly turn over lager cases to the higher courts....cept for that the wetback buddy of villagrossa isn't filing ileegal crime as a lage enough crime to move to a higher court ...BTW you know the buddy delgadildo.... the one that had to show Paris the the path to a month on the county while his own wife had been driving around for almost three year on a suspended license, and it was suspended for an accident without insurance...BTW she was driving a public own car all the while she had no license...think she had insurance...and I think I read something where he didn't have insurance either....I don't need no stinkin' insurance...Next thing ya know is that we'll have a law excluding mexicans from need insurance, cause it's against their culture.

It's not like when I was a kid and you visited mexico....We're in it, and it's going to get a lot fucking worse

[George Klass]

You are right Greg, it's only going to get worse. And you are also right on about some of our local polititions too. Mayor Villagrossa, Delgadillo, etc. These bastards get elected and then have a problem trying to decide which country (Mexico or the U.S.) their loyalties lie.

As far as visiting Mexico, as a kid me and a bunch of buddies used to drive down to Tijuana all the time, to get tuck & roll upholstery done, or just to hang out with the whores and get drunk. Lots of fun. The government down there has always been corrupt, everyone knows that. Our government, it seems, is trying it's darndest to catch up.

[BJCRAZYZ]

You are right Greg, it's only going to get worse. And you are also right on about some of our local polititions too. Mayor Villagrossa, Delgadillo, etc. These bastards get elected and then have a problem trying to decide which country (Mexico or the U.S.) their loyalties lie.
yeah, i saw that press conference he gave, blaming congress for the failure of the amnesty bill, he's too dumb to figure out, it was the american public that kept that bill from going through:supz: and why does he feel the need to kiss the ass of people who cant even vote for him:smt102

[Shelton_Barrs]

[QUOTE=George Klass;417295]Mayor Villagrossa, Delgadillo, etc. These bastards get elected and then have a problem trying to decide which country (Mexico or the U.S.) their loyalties lie.QUOTE]

No they don't...it's Mexico that has their loyalty.

[George Klass]

There has to be something wrong with that.

[FordRacing250]

tj is a shithole..... always has been and always will be... nowadays i wont go near that place after all the shit i seen down there

[George Klass]

It used to be kind of fun, now it's pretty dangerous. We used to go down to TJ with about 4 or 5 guys to get upholstery done. You could get the entire car down in a day, seats, carpets, door panels and head liner. All in naugahide (sp?) tuck & roll. We would alternate hitting the town after dropping the car off, always had to leave at least one guy with the car. Otherwise the Mexicans would stick any old stuff under the rolls (like straw), swap your battery for an older one, etc. But a few hundred bucks and you had a complete custom interior, IN ONE DAY. They would have 5 or 6 guys working on it, from sunup to sundown, and during the time you were prowling around the bars downtown, you could see (and be involved with) some entertainment that was beyond belief.

[Greg27]

It used to be kind of fun, now it's pretty dangerous. We used to go down to TJ with about 4 or 5 guys to get upholstery done. You could get the entire car down in a day, seats, carpets, door panels and head liner. All in naugahide (sp?) tuck & roll. We would alternate hitting the town after dropping the car off, always had to leave at least one guy with the car. Otherwise the Mexicans would stick any old stuff under the rolls (like straw), swap your battery for an older one, etc. But a few hundred bucks and you had a complete custom interior, IN ONE DAY. They would have 5 or 6 guys working on it, from sunup to sundown, and during the time you were prowling around the bars downtown, you could see (and be involved with) some entertainment that was beyond belief.

Damm George, if that was you hanging around those bars on the side streets off of Revolution....michael vick would be proud....kinda reminds me that he's must be some kinda pussy...only body slamming dogs...he ain't nutin til he can body slam a donkey, like Juanita!!!

Used to be great...roll a few wetback sneakin across then take the cash, get a good buzz and spend it getting the tj hookers to do what ever you could think of...Shit now you have to watch out more for our own border patrol than the smugglers...after all them illegals got rights and the boarder patrol has to protect them.

[George Klass]

Oh shit, you had to remind me of the donkeys. For a kid in high school at the time, that was some amazing stuff to see. I once confided some of these "TJ" stories to one of my ex-wives, told her what the senioritas did to the donkeys and she told me, "Hell, I've done that to you and you're a jackass so what's the big deal?"

[FordRacing250]

something about them fucking beaners pointing a 50cal at me makes me worried... and those damn kids selling anything and everything under the sun... no i dont want no fucking chicles (gum) the few people i know who still go down there for the hookers say alot of them are from san diego state... dirty whores i tell ya.

[BJCRAZYZ]

something about them fucking beaners pointing a 50cal at me makes me worried... and those damn kids selling anything and everything under the sun... no i dont want no fucking chicles (gum) the few people i know who still go down there for the hookers say alot of them are from san diego state... dirty whores i tell ya.you would be alright unless your wearing a rolex:smt082 :smt082

[Greg27]

Chances are it's not loaded, bullets cost to much and if it is they'll be slow to use it. It's those little phuckin' cap gun that bother me. You never know when one will come out.
something about them fucking beaners pointing a 50cal at me makes me worried... and those damn kids selling anything and everything under the sun... no i dont want no fucking chicles (gum) the few people i know who still go down there for the hookers say alot of them are from san diego state... dirty whores i tell ya.

I don't know about the SDSU thing, besides who wants a hoe that's working tj. Plus i got a buddy that owns a club in cabo. He won't bring american girls down anymore...say they won't do half what the locals will..