Any law enforcement types?

[O.C White]

We have any city, county, state LEO's on this site?

[RRRAAAYYY2]

Confused says he is.

[FordRacing250]

im not a cop, but most of my family is CHP, i have friends who are LAPD and LASD.

[O.C White]

Fordracing250,

I will be in contact later with you.

[FordRacing250]

ok talk to you then.
Tim

[O.C White]

Check your pm's Tim thanks.

[confused]

o.c i p.m you

[O.C White]

Thanks confused got it and responded to it.

[Monty Mikho]

What does law enforcement and guns have to do with one another? Just because they carry guns doesn't mean they know how to use them.. :p

[O.C White]

What does law enforcement and guns have to do with one another? Just because they carry guns doesn't mean they know how to use them.. :p

Very true, and they definitely do not have any fire discipline. With the way some of these reports are coming in, I think I will do alright with the firearms portion.

[Louie L]

Police Officer for 13yrs.

[confused]

i have to agree with monty. i see a lot of guys that become cops and never seen a gun before training and that's not good. i worked with a cop that though we could do are jobs without a gun. i'm glad that he's not my partner.

[RRRAAAYYY2]

I have to disagree. Coming in with no predispostions or bad habits before training is a good thing. It makes training them a lot easier. When I was in them military, the best shooters were the ones that had not ever fired a gun before, or those of us that listen really closely ot the instructors.

A gun might be important to a cops job, but his mind and mouth are his two most important tools.

[Monty Mikho]

i have to agree with monty. i see a lot of guys that become cops and never seen a gun before training and that's not good. i worked with a cop that though we could do are jobs without a gun. i'm glad that he's not my partner.


You should have shot him and asked him if he needed a gun... :p

[Monty Mikho]

I have to disagree. Coming in with no predispostions or bad habits before training is a good thing. It makes training them a lot easier. When I was in them military, the best shooters were the ones that had not ever fired a gun before, or those of us that listen really closely ot the instructors.

A gun might be important to a cops job, but his mind and mouth are his two most important tools.


I've shot for a lot of years.. And trust me my attention is more focused when Im being shown how to shoot. I believe the first few times were my worst as I just wanted to fire a gun after learning all about it... But everyone is different I guess

[Monty Mikho]

I have to disagree. Coming in with no predispostions or bad habits before training is a good thing. It makes training them a lot easier. When I was in them military, the best shooters were the ones that had not ever fired a gun before, or those of us that listen really closely ot the instructors.

A gun might be important to a cops job, but his mind and mouth are his two most important tools.


My saying is "The more I learn the dumber I feel"..


When I was 14-15-16 I thought I knew everything.. Now I see I didnt know anything!! and it makes one wonder how much more I dont know...

[O.C White]

Before I became an instructor on small arms, I used to watch a lot of instructors just rubber stamp people.

I always say if the student fails to learn, the instructor failed to teach. There are no bad students just bad instructors.

Every student is different and if the instructir fails to find that "it" that a student can relate to, he is not taking his job as serious as he should.

[Monty Mikho]

Before I became an instructor on small arms, I used to watch a lot of instructors just rubber stamp people.

I always say if the student fails to learn, the instructor failed to teach. There are no bad students just bad instructors.

Every student is different and if the instructir fails to find that "it" that a student can relate to, he is not taking his job as serious as he should.


Preach on!!! I agree 110% ... Unless you are dealing with a complete idiot or someone who thinks knows better than the instructor...

[MCM]

Before I became an instructor on small arms, I used to watch a lot of instructors just rubber stamp people.

I always say if the student fails to learn, the instructor failed to teach. There are no bad students just bad instructors.

Every student is different and if the instructir fails to find that "it" that a student can relate to, he is not taking his job as serious as he should.That's awesome gunny - we need more instructors/teachers out there in the world with this kind of attitude. My dad taught 5th grade for 40 years and never failed a student. He also never sent a student to the principal for misbehaving. He felt the same as you - if he couldn't take care of "his" students, then it was nobody's fault but his own.

[Monty Mikho]

That's awesome gunny - we need more instructors/teachers out there in the world with this kind of attitude. My dad taught 5th grade for 40 years and never failed a student. He also never sent a student to the principle for misbehaving. He felt the same as you - if he couldn't take care of "his" students, then it was nobody's fault but his own.


The shame of it is that most everyone in America anymore relies on a crutch or passing blame....

[Louie L]

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A gun might be important to a cops job, but his mind and mouth are his two most important tools.


Right on! Unfortunately 50% of Cops out there dont understand that concept. I was a training officer for about 6 years. Youd be amazed how many rookies come in with absolutely no common sense and the innabilty to communicate.

No amount of physical fitness or scholastic knowledge can make up for that.

[O.C White]

I would say having a high tolerance level is essential to being a good police officer as well.

I can't imagine driving up to a Wal-Mart where some lady was mugged at 10pm for not paying attention to her surroundings, but they blame you for that.

It's always funny to listen to people shoot off their soup coolers about cops this, and cops that, but they call that same cop is a heartbeat when something goes down.

[jeff conley]

I was a cop for 10 years in a major city in the dirty South. Wish I was still their.

[RRRAAAYYY2]

Want to really hijack the thread. We are trashing bad instructors, what the frig about parents these days. Not many old school "my kids are my responsiblity" left out there anymore.

[O.C White]

Jeff, and Lou,

what the toughest part of the academy? I mean all the penal codes must be pretty tough to remember.

I imagine it must be pretty close to D.I school, because we had a 6 month probation period before we became full Drill Instructors.

[Shelton_Barrs]

Preach on!!! I agree 110% ... Unless you are dealing with a complete idiot or someone who thinks knows better than the instructor...

Attitude is everything, its hard to teach someone who refuses to learn. From what I have seen here most, if not all, of us keep open mimds and are willing to learn. That makes a huge difference.

[Shelton_Barrs]

Want to really hijack the thread. We are trashing bad instructors, what the frig about parents these days. Not many old school "my kids are my responsiblity" left out there anymore.

You hit it right there. Everybody looks to pass the blame. To many parents now are to worried about being their kids best friend instead of being their parents.

[confused]

o.c, the toughest thing in training is watching the guys that got picked on there whole lives little light come on. now they thing they have the power. i'm so glad that i do drug and gang enforcement. i think driving around all day would of killed my before one of these gang baggers do plus i get to shoot more. o.c i lost my tolerance yrs ago, when you see good people and little kids laying in the streets from gangs and bad drug deals that someone got caught in the middle of you become less and less tolerant. if i could get away with it i would just shoot the little fucks and be done with it but there are to many tree huggers that think you can save a kid ya right. i have arrested the same kids 4-5 times and now i just what to see a gun in one of there hands. please let my see a gun in there hands. o.c it sounds like you still have the drive to teach your guys and i think that's great there's not many that take there job like that nice job sr.

[Monty Mikho]

Gunny has seen a lot of shit!!! I think he is perfect for the job.. Hopefully they use him as a sniper when the occasion calls...

[confused]

monty i have some good shit p.m me lol

[O.C White]

o.c, the toughest thing in training is watching the guys that got picked on there whole lives little light come on. now they thing they have the power.


Man this is scary to hear, but it reminds me of Drill Instructor school. The guy who was never a good Marine and slipped through the system and D.I school and now you have a loose cannon training other loose cannons.

Or worse yet, the honor graduate of D.I school who thinks he knows everything.

My excitement is really building right now, but I know I have to keep it in check, and remember I will be 40 years old when I go through the academy. I turn 40 in August and the academy starts September 30th.

[confused]

o.c it was a joke when i went to the academy. most of the instructor were trained by my father so for me to learn anything was going to be from my father ho was on the streets for 30yrs not some wet behind the ears cop that may have 3-4yrs in the force. with your back ground you will falling asleep most of the time. and when it's time for firearm training that's were you will be able to train the trainers aleast at the detriot academy. i would say good luck but you wont need it.