Non-Kicking Martial Arts

[O.C White]

Question for the martial artist around here because I know we have some, but what martial arts involve no kicking. I don't think my 40 year old body can stand all the high kicks and what not.

I did do the Marine Corps Martial Arts program that involved a lot of hands and wrestling, but I am looking at just the arts that use hands.

[RRRAAAYYY2]

Jeek kon do (sp) involves what ever works for you. If you arent built for kicking, then it will be hands and grappling. Even at 40 you should be able to do low leg kicks, they pretty much are the only useful ones. It is not too often that high head kicks are worth trying in a fight. That is unless your opponent is Cro Cop.

[MrMike990]

Question for the martial artist around here because I know we have some, but what martial arts involve no kicking. I don't think my 40 year old body can stand all the high kicks and what not.

I did do the Marine Corps Martial Arts program that involved a lot of hands and wrestling, but I am looking at just the arts that use hands.


Carl, I wouldn't dare call myself a martial artist, but I did study a lil Aikido. It doesn't consist of much kicking. I think it would be a natural progression of your current skillset.
Here's my mantra, either put the other guy or multiple attackers down hard..............if you can't, get him away from you or disable him to a point to where you can either retreat or put yourself in a position where you can be the first one to use a much greater lethal level of force. In the real world, those kicks that are romantized in the movies aren't always practical, hell you might not even have the energy to do it and Aikido fits the bill.

[O.C White]

Yeah it was definitely the high kicks I was concerned with. Some of the MCMAP(Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) involves a lot of joint manipulation I guess Akido falls into that.

I liked it better when we have Line training, but MCMAP is nothing more than another name for Line training.

Thanks for the feedback.

[handfist]

Aikido, i think it is the Martial Arts that Steven Segal knows. I believe you use the other persons momentum.

[Supe]

Aikido is what you want. Mostly throws and joint locks, almost no punching and kicking. It is indeed based on the attackers movements.

[O.C White]

Sounds like I better look up Aikido a little more.

[Paul Stud]

Sounds like I better look up Aikido a little more.

aikido maybe not for you, as it was designed to redirect attack without gravely harming the attacker. inner spirit yaddayaddayadda and all that...

concerning asian martial arts, i once asked a friend of mine who has multiple blackbelts in a few different styles which was better. honestly, he said if yer a big guy karate is best. you don't have to kick if you dont want to and apparently your size and bulk counts with it tremendous. if your smaller, he said tae quon do. but that is mega kicking.

if i were you gunny, i would look into krav maga. http://www.kravmaga.com/
very modern, designed for military use by the israeli's. involves defending against practical things, like guns or sneak attacks. its all meat and potatoes... how to hurt somebody real bad, real quick to difuse a situation. no spiritual shit, no formal moves, or chop socky stuff. supposedly the most effective art.

[Monty Mikho]

Non-Kicking Martial Arts

45 caliber hand gun... It will take out the most highly trained.. And you never even have to lift a foot...

[Donut]

no spiritual shit, no formal moves, or chop socky stuff.

I nearly busted a gut reading that. Had you said "chop socky shit" instead of "stuff" I very well might have peed a little.

Krav Maga is brutal. If I were ever to get of my fat ass and look at hand to hand training, it'd be Krav Maga. Those Israelis don't phuck around.

[Driven2xs]

I WAS gonna say Ho Wi Ro (Pronounced How We Roll, in English).
Specific Kata you'd would be interested in would be SmiffenResson.
Includes absolutely no body movement other than point and click, much like a remote control.

[N2Ojunkie]

Question for the martial artist around here because I know we have some, but what martial arts involve no kicking. I don't think my 40 year old body can stand all the high kicks and what not.

I did do the Marine Corps Martial Arts program that involved a lot of hands and wrestling, but I am looking at just the arts that use hands.
I have studied several different forms over the years. Kenpo was very good and the majority of the striking was hands and elbows, with some low kicks and foot stomps mixed in.


Krav Maga is very good as well.

[ShadowMaster]

Israeli Krav Maga is what you should look into, Carl.

Jeek kon do (sp) involves what ever works for youThat would be "Jeet Kun Do". Bruce Lee invented this style and it is not really a "style" in the classical martial arts sense. His reasoning was that the classic forms and styles had become too "conforming" and rigid. His quote of "A once fluid man cramped and distorted by the classical mess" is one I love. Jeet Kun Do is a way of taking many martial arts styles along with American boxing and stripping away the non-essentials until you have a fighting style that works for YOU. Period. Very interesting concept that was way ahead of it's time and Bruce caught all kinds of hell for it from every corner of the martial arts world. Once you get into the actual study of the course you will understand and you may like it, Carl.

Having said all that.....I would still look into the Krav Maga first. It is very devastating.

[Vanilla]

I WAS gonna say Ho Wi Ro (Pronounced How We Roll, in English).
Specific Kata you'd would be interested in would be SmiffenResson.
Includes absolutely no body movement other than point and click, much like a remote control.



Thanks dillweed... I about woke the house up from laughing.... That needs a NLNSDTL warning (Not Late Night Safe Due To Laughing)



Vanilla

[63 Vette]

I have been doing mixed martial arts for a couple of years. Before that I boxed for a couple of years and competed at the national level in Brazilain Jiu Jitsu and Submission Wrestling (no gi Jiu Jitsu). I have been doing Jiu Jitsu for 11 years. A skinny kid from Rio De Jeneiro Brazil, Royce Gracie, proved the effectivness of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

I am not discounting any one else's art, but there is a reason you do not see Jeet Kun Doo, Hapkido, Aikido, etc, in mixed martial arts. In the first events those guys tried and got crushed.

I competed against some Marines in 2002? when they first got their grappling program going.

If I were you Gunny I would look into Jiu Jitsu, secondly Krav Ma Grav. For a stand up art Muay Thai is very effective and you do not have to be able to kick any higher than your opponents thigh. Imagine the pain of getting blood striped and that is what a well placed leg kick feels like.

[Jeremy Glass]

I have been doing mixed martial arts for a couple of years. Before that I boxed for a couple of years and competed at the national level in Brazilain Jiu Jitsu and Submission Wrestling (no gi Jiu Jitsu). I have been doing Jiu Jitsu for 11 years. A skinny kid from Rio De Jeneiro Brazil, Royce Gracie, proved the effectivness of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

I am not discounting any one else's art, but there is a reason you do not see Jeet Kun Doo, Hapkido, Aikido, etc, in mixed martial arts. In the first events those guys tried and got crushed.

I competed against some Marines in 2002? when they first got their grappling program going.

If I were you Gunny I would look into Jiu Jitsu, secondly Krav Ma Grav. For a stand up art Muay Thai is very effective and you do not have to be able to kick any higher than your opponents thigh. Imagine the pain of getting blood striped and that is what a well placed leg kick feels like.

The only problem is that you dont want to be doing jiu jitsu in a street fight. You go to the ground and someones buddy will stomp your head in.

[Wade Garrett]

If you learn Jiu Jitsu you wont end up on the ground. Believe me or not, its up to you.

[Jeremy Glass]

If you learn Jiu Jitsu you wont end up on the ground. Believe me or not, its up to you.

Please tell me a couple of jiu jitsu moves that you can do while standing? A RNC, sure.....but what else?

[63 Vette]

The only problem is that you dont want to be doing jiu jitsu in a street fight. You go to the ground and someones buddy will stomp your head in.

I have heard that argument and it is a fair point, however a fight is a fight and there is no way to prepare for everything. For a guy who does not want to spend several days a week for years getting profeciente (sp?) in several different arts, I stand by my reccomendation. Yes, there is the possibility that while on the ground you could be attacked by a bystander, but in my mind it is worth the risk when comparred to the benifits of being a good grappler.

My striking skills are pretty good; but if I were in a street fight I would take it to the ground ASAP. Any body can land a lucky punch, but no none grappler will beat a good grappler on the ground.

[Greg2]

Or you can do what most gang members do, and get a black belt in 9mm.

[RRRAAAYYY2]

I have been doing mixed martial arts for a couple of years. Before that I boxed for a couple of years and competed at the national level in Brazilain Jiu Jitsu and Submission Wrestling (no gi Jiu Jitsu). I have been doing Jiu Jitsu for 11 years. A skinny kid from Rio De Jeneiro Brazil, Royce Gracie, proved the effectivness of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

I am not discounting any one else's art, but there is a reason you do not see Jeet Kun Doo, Hapkido, Aikido, etc, in mixed martial arts. In the first events those guys tried and got crushed.

The reason you never seen Jeet Kun Do in the UFC at the beginning was simple put, I was told I was too violent and they were trying to clean the sport up. If I never had said "I coming with a fist full of $1000 bills", you would have seen Gracie's team pulling his teeth out of the mat. They protected him.

Dont get me wrong, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is good, but as you can see nowadays, a striker that has some ground game is far deadlier.

[RRRAAAYYY2]

Oh, in case I am not being clear. I hate Gracie, I mean I really hate what he represents. I am 280, out of shape, and havent fought in 8 years and I would still take a match with him anytime. Just would love to replace his smug look with about 15 lbs of wire and staples.

[Jeremy Glass]

Oh, in case I am not being clear. I hate Gracie, I mean I really hate what he represents. I am 280, out of shape, and havent fought in 8 years and I would still take a match with him anytime. Just would love to replace his smug look with about 15 lbs of wire and staples.

You are funny. Why dont you show up to one of the gracie gyms and put up a challenge. They arent that hard to find. They do seminars all the time, all over the country.

[Jeremy Glass]

I have heard that argument and it is a fair point, however a fight is a fight and there is no way to prepare for everything. For a guy who does not want to spend several days a week for years getting profeciente (sp?) in several different arts, I stand by my reccomendation. Yes, there is the possibility that while on the ground you could be attacked by a bystander, but in my mind it is worth the risk when comparred to the benifits of being a good grappler.

My striking skills are pretty good; but if I were in a street fight I would take it to the ground ASAP. Any body can land a lucky punch, but no none grappler will beat a good grappler on the ground.

I agree with the grappling part. However, grappling and jiu jitsu arent the same. In a street fight, im not going to take my guy down, lay on my back and put him in an arm bar while i wait for his pal to stomp my teeth in. The only time id use jiu jitsu in a street fight is if i was taken down, etc. Being able to fight from the guard would be great. One instance i can think of is if you were down and he had you mounted or was close to having you mounted. You could effectively use a triangle or an arm bar in a defensive situation. However, i would never go from standing to on the ground being offensive with jiu jitsu. Id definitely use some grappling and go to some ground and pound though. You will not find me laying on my back though waiting to get stomped in the face.

[Jeremy Glass]

The reason you never seen Jeet Kun Do in the UFC at the beginning was simple put, I was told I was too violent and they were trying to clean the sport up. If I never had said "I coming with a fist full of $1000 bills", you would have seen Gracie's team pulling his teeth out of the mat. They protected him.

Dont get me wrong, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is good, but as you can see nowadays, a striker that has some ground game is far deadlier.

And so you know, the striker that has good ground and pound is usually well trained in jiu jitsu. You cant defend something that you dont know.

[Jeremy Glass]

Carl, if i were you id train in some grappling/submission grappling, muay thai, and boxing. It is much better to be well rounded then it is to be specific to one art. I know you said non kicking, but muay thai is mostly low kicks. The legs are the strongest part of your body, use them effectively.

[O.C White]

Or you can do what most gang members do, and get a black belt in 9mm.


If this is the case I must be an 8th degree black belt LOL :-D

[RRRAAAYYY2]

And so you know, the striker that has good ground and pound is usually well trained in jiu jitsu. You cant defend something that you dont know.
Forsure, was a pretty good collegiate wrestler, though really learned how to fight the hard way, where tapping out is not an option. As for going to the gymns, would love to travel to the US, but not allowed across the border. When I had made arrangements to go in under a friend who is an instructor in jeet kun do, the intention was I would have to sneak across the border.

[63 Vette]

I agree with the grappling part. However, grappling and jiu jitsu arent the same. In a street fight, im not going to take my guy down, lay on my back and put him in an arm bar while i wait for his pal to stomp my teeth in. The only time id use jiu jitsu in a street fight is if i was taken down, etc. Being able to fight from the guard would be great. One instance i can think of is if you were down and he had you mounted or was close to having you mounted. You could effectively use a triangle or an arm bar in a defensive situation. However, i would never go from standing to on the ground being offensive with jiu jitsu. Id definitely use some grappling and go to some ground and pound though. You will not find me laying on my back though waiting to get stomped in the face.

I agree about going to your back. I belive in todays fight game the Jiu Jitsu habit of going to your back is a weakness. If you are fighting a competent grappler you are inviting to get ground and pounded. I always preach to get on top if possible, only go to the guard if you get put there.

As for the multiple attacker argument you can get sucker punched while you are standing also.

[Jeremy Glass]

I agree about going to your back. I belive in todays fight game the Jiu Jitsu habit of going to your back is a weakness. If you are fighting a competent grappler you are inviting to get ground and pounded. I always preach to get on top if possible, only go to the guard if you get put there.

As for the multiple attacker argument you can get sucker punched while you are standing also.

I agree, there are too many variables in street fights. You have a better chance of reacting to someone else/something if you are on your feet rather then your back.

[Jeremy Glass]

Forsure, was a pretty good collegiate wrestler, though really learned how to fight the hard way, where tapping out is not an option. As for going to the gymns, would love to travel to the US, but not allowed across the border. When I had made arrangements to go in under a friend who is an instructor in jeet kun do, the intention was I would have to sneak across the border.

Im sure the gracies travel to canada.

[Greg2]

Yeah they probably go to see George St. Pierre

[Jeremy Glass]

Yeah they probably go to see George St. Pierre

St. Pierre doesnt train with the gracies but they do world wide seminars.

[Greg2]

I was kidding. Couldn't you hear the humor in my typing?

[RRRAAAYYY2]

I have never seen them up here. Seen Randy Couture in Toronto last year. At 41, I have to admit I am not looking for fights as hard as I used too, LOL. Preaching on Sunday with a fat lip would be interesting though. But I should still have one good one left in me.

[bcam73]

Actually, G.S.P. did train at Renzo Gracie's accademy in New York. Brushed up with John Danahur. Top level black belt at Renzos.

[Greg27]

Aikido is what you want. Mostly throws and joint locks, almost no punching and kicking. It is indeed based on the attackers movements.

Aikido's the art of redirected movement, and as such considered a sort form of the art. No hard punches to duck but you end up on the mat a lot. Supprisingly soft forms can lead to higher injuries.

[jester]

What do the police forces train in?

Out of curiousity the movie bourne sup. one through three, I wounder what style they are impersonating? Almost seems like Kram Magra.

Unfortunatly I dont train anylonger, around here every school is a money pit. Everyone is a pro-not. Its a money game. I hate that. I was forutunate to train with a Korean champ and medallist, he was for real! Attitude, dicepline, no joke, there was an "umph" to him.

gunney ever find what your looking for?

[396chevelle]

Aikido's the art of redirected movement, and as such considered a sort form of the art. No hard punches to duck but you end up on the mat a lot. Supprisingly soft forms can lead to higher injuries.

I took Aikido for about a year or so. Its a defensive art. The only way to practice Aikido is with a partner. So you spend half the time throwing and half the time being thrown. Very important to learn how to fall first. Its pretty cool I wish I didn't quit, very helpful in keeping in shape. Boy do I need help now.

If your looking to be an all around bad ass Aikido probably isn't the best. But in some situations it does work.

[Jeremy Glass]

I would look into the Phillipine art of Eskrima. Its based on joint locks, disarming, and controlling your opponent. Also uses a lot of weapons, such as sticks, knives, etc. The nice thing about eskrima is that whether you have a weapon in hand or not, the move is still the same. The weapon is merely used as an extension of your arm.