Russia says the US will attack

[Jimmy Biggs]

Iran Friday between 4a & 4p :confused:

[MagicRatt]

:partyman: :partyman: :partyman: russians are still working on their beer muscles......

[Chris Uratchko]

Well if we do I say make it strong and swift, no ground troops....

[nos351]

target the Ayotollah and that idiot president of theirs.

[O.C White]

Well if we do I say make it strong and swift, no ground troops....

I agree, no stomach for that.

[purpleplymouth]

H-bomb! no isotopes, back to the stone age!

[taxman]

H-bomb! no isotopes, back to the stone age!

Geez, most of Iran is already there.

[George Klass]

We didn't need ground troops to get Saddam either. In fact, the Mossad told Washington that they would have been happy to handle the assination themselves, and Bush declined the offer.

[O.C White]

We didn't need ground troops to get Saddam either. In fact, the Mossad told Washington that they would have been happy to handle the assination themselves, and Bush declined the offer.

The Mossad said that in public? Funny you say the Mossad would say something as public as that.

The book I read on the Mossad when they were hunting the Munich pricks, the Israeli's never had contact with them to know where they were, or what they were doing.

If the Mossad wanted Saddam dead don't you think he would have been dead before 2003? Why not go after saddam when they bombed the nuclear facility George?

You always talk about put your brain in gear why don't you try it?

[Chris Uratchko]

I say we don't do anything, and just let Israel take care of it. Let them spend some money for once.

I don't mind backing them, but they can handle themselves.

[joesmithz28]

Source Jimmy?

[Jimmy Biggs]

Was talked about on Glenn Beck this morning ..... it was from the former KGB Dept

[nos351]

another source......

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1173879220977&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1173879220977&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

[Ken F]

I say we don't do anything, and just let Israel take care of it. Let them spend some money for once.

I don't mind backing them, but they can handle themselves.


X2

[Ken F]

I'm not implying Iran doesn't need a thumping, because they do. But be prepared for oil to zoom well past $100.00 per barrel.

Heck, it will probably soar on speculation alone.

But if we make it strong and quick action, and not a long drawn out ground war, prices will come back pretty quick.

[MagicRatt]

I say we don't do anything, and just let Israel take care of it. Let them spend some money for once.

I don't mind backing them, but they can handle themselves.



.....works for me too.:supz: :supz:

[Maliboost]

X4.

Bob



I say we don't do anything, and just let Israel take care of it. Let them spend some money for once.

I don't mind backing them, but they can handle themselves.

[nos351]

Ahh....the prevailent attitude in America today....let someone else do it.

[George Klass]

There was a time, not too many years ago, when Iran was NO problem at all, and it was the U.S. that made that happen. How did we do that? Simple, we kept selling WMD to Saddam and he kept Iran in check. Now, we have upset the balance over there. We went after and got Saddam, who was Iran's worst enemy, and the end result is that now both Iraq AND Iran hate our guts, and our only Arab "friend" over there, Saudi Arabia, says that U.S. shouldn't be over in Iraq.

[O.C White]

So much for the element of surprise. Wonder how many pilots lives may have been spared if thsi didn't leak?

I bet Triple A batteries are living on their guns now.

Thanks media, and the treasonist prick who leaked the attack.

[O.C White]

There was a time, not too many years ago, when Iran was NO problem at all, and it was the U.S. that made that happen. How did we do that? Simple, we kept selling WMD to Saddam and he kept Iran in check. Now, we have upset the balance over there. We went after and got Saddam, who was Iran's worst enemy, and the end result is that now both Iraq AND Iran hate our guts, and our only Arab "friend" over there, Saudi Arabia, says that U.S. shouldn't be over in Iraq.

George,

Kuwaiti's are arabic. They are our friends.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Don't think so.
We don't have enough evidence against them to warrant any Overt Action yet. Gates is against it. Bush is listening to Gates.

I am wondering what MI 6 in Britan is going to do though. It looks like there has been three of their captured personel that are ok with seling out their country and in their ignorance have publickly declared themselves to be guilty. Taht should make their trial be easy for the Iranian system of justice to decide about.

I am wondering how a boarding/inspecting party sent from a ship simply following orders will know exactly what grid coordinates they were in when captured though. Surely there are records of where their mother ship was. Surely there are records of where the hovering British Helicopter was, by GPS and maybe even satellite images.

Ed

[nos351]

There was a time, not too many years ago, when Iran was NO problem at all, and it was the U.S. that made that happen. How did we do that? Simple, we kept selling WMD to Saddam and he kept Iran in check. Now, we have upset the balance over there. We went after and got Saddam, who was Iran's worst enemy, and the end result is that now both Iraq AND Iran hate our guts, and our only Arab "friend" over there, Saudi Arabia, says that U.S. shouldn't be over in Iraq.


There was a time when the Shaw of Iran ruled. Then Carter let him fall. I saw an interview with one of the military hostages from the Carter years the other day. He said the current President of Iran was one of the students leaders during the crisis. Also the Brits have moth balled alot of the naval capacity according to Fred Thompson....
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTk0Yzk2YTEwZmFhY2ViNDI5MWE3NzRmYjRiNDg5OTQ

[joesmithz28]

The Brits may have mothballed their Navy, but ours is there in force. It really makes ya wonder why the HMS Cornwall(which is fairly armed) didn't respond to the Iranian threat??? With 2 U.S. Carrier strike groups plus whatever other Naval forces the brits have in the gulf should have been more then enough 'backup' if the IRGC decided not to back down.

[nos351]

If the US attacks, the hostages they stand a chance of living, if the Brits attack they are gonners.

[George Klass]

There are alot of unanswered questions about this whole thing. First of all, were the Brits truly in Iraqi waters at the time or could they have accidently strayed into Iranian waters? I suspect the latter,which brings up my next question. Why were any of our allies so close to Iranian waters in the first place?

Now, just for a minute, try and understand what the U.S. would do if some Iranian navy boat were in U.S. territorial waters off of New York or Boston. How do you think we would deal with it if that happened?

[nos351]

We would fire a shot across the bow and tell them to get the hell out of our waters, next one would make their ship a man made reef in a few years.

[joesmithz28]

George...I doubt that the Brits or our forces would 'stray' into Iranian waters. These ships are all equipped with GPS Navigation, and we have been operating in those waters for MANY years. I would think that the boundary is a no no big time. 1.7 miles from the boundary is hardly a hop, skip, and leap away. So, the brits claim they were in Iraqi waters, the U.S. claims they were in Iraqi waters, Iraq claims they were in Iraqi waters, and the Indian ship they boarded claimed they were in Iraqi waters....but hey, I think we should all believe the blackmailing extortionist mother fuckers running the Islamic republic of Iran. C'mon George, even you can't trust them guys???

[George Klass]

Well Joe, you are right. I don't trust the Iranians. But then again, I don't trust the Iraqis, the Brits or us either.

[Jimmy Biggs]

For the record there is satillite images of the Brits in Iraqie water....... Iran wants to keep our eyes off the ball (Nukes) so they pulled this shit........ What would Reagan do??????????

[George Klass]

Well, it there is irrifutable evidence that the Brits were in Iraqi waters, OK, fine with me. Of course, we had irrifutable evidence of WMD in Iraq too, if I remember correctly. I think I will stick with my first assesment, which is that I don't rust anybody to tell me the truth anymore.

[joesmithz28]

So, what would convince you George??? Are you gonna say both sides are lying?

[George Klass]

Absolutely. What makes you think that both sides are telling the truth? When is the last time that the U.S., Iraq, Iran or anyone else was telling the truth? If there is one common denominator between the world powers or the wannabe powers, it's that they all lie.

[joesmithz28]

I'm not gonna debate whether any or all of the listed have lied. You've lied. I've lied. Our government(as has been said already) can barely keep the most classified information classified, so don't you think it'd be a bit tough to cover up these purported lies?

Trust nobody, the truth is out there! :rolleyes:

[O.C White]

I don't rust anybody to tell me the truth anymore.

Rust anybody? I didn't know people could rust. What do you use for oil?

[joesmithz28]

You don't wanna know the answer to that Gunny....

:butthead:

[Shelton_Barrs]

What would Reagan do??????????


I think the better question is "What would Margret Thatcher do?"...

[nos351]

Or what would Norville Chamberlain do?

[George Klass]

As the Godfather once said, "We are all reasonable people, and we can sit down, have a glass of wine and reason with each other."

Then he also said, "We can make them an offer that they can't refuse."

This is all about politics anyway, no reason to go into panic mode. Besides, it's only the Brits. These are the same people that drive on the wrong side of the street. What's the BFD?

[Hammer59]

It looks like them brits are eating good. LOL

[O.C White]

As the Godfather once said, "We are all reasonable people, and we can sit down, have a glass of wine and reason with each other."

Then he also said, "We can make them an offer that they can't refuse."

This is all about politics anyway, no reason to go into panic mode. Besides, it's only the Brits. These are the same people that drive on the wrong side of the street. What's the BFD?

And Al Capone once said "you get further with a smile and a gun than you do with a smile"

[Ed-vancedEngines]

It looks like them brits are eating good. LOL


At least the ones who are failing their country and are selling out seem to be eating good in the vids. I doubt they will be very welcome back home. That is if they ever get to go back home. They don't know that all these public declarations of them being accidently guilty will come against them very soon?

Ed

[i_miss_racing!]

I think this is going to get alot more fucked up before it gets any better. This can't be good.

[Jeremy Glass]

Iran is now saying that they see no reason to put the brits on trial. They just want an admission of guilt and an apology from Great Britain....

[O.C White]

Iran is now saying that they see no reason to put the brits on trial. They just want an admission of guilt and an apology from Great Britain....


I think they have a better chance of getting pee from a rock, than getting a public apology.

Margaret Thatcher would apologize with a nuke up their butts.

[Rick_R]

Iran Friday between 4a & 4p :confused:
Great, they are going to do while I'm at work, I don't get CNN here, how can i watch it LIVE, Jimmy grab Ray and get your buts over there so i can watch it live;)

[Ed-vancedEngines]

I think it odd that The Jeruselum Post would have a direct pipeline to the Russian Intelligence though.

I find it almost as odd that Russia would know if we the USA were really planning on an attack with a nation that is their friend and trading partner.

If we were going to atteck on Iran, why would we need days to prepare. We should be ready to go in a moment's notice. The airpower is there. The firepower is there. the missles are there. If we are going to attack on Friday, why not now?

Ed

[Chris Uratchko]

I kinda agree with George...

These are just some Lymies... afterall. didn't we kick them out 200 years ago? I have never met a lymie that I liked.

god save the queen afterall.....................

[joesmithz28]

It's hard to believe the lack of support for the only nation that seems to have our back anymore..
:-kill

[George Klass]

I believe that all three countries involved have had strategy backfires. The Brits for playing too close to the Iranian border (really, did they need to have been within 1 mile, would not 5 miles have been just as good?), Iran, for thinking that this goofy act might bring poistive attention to the international community as to their "plight" regarding nuclear power (or weapons), and the U.S. for upsetting the status quo in the region by taking over Iraq and then rattling our sabres and trying to press yet another country (Iran) into doing things OUR way. It was the U.S. that kept increasing the troop count in the region, adding navy ships into the region and putting increased pressure on Iran. What did anyone think would happen? In the end, it appears that it's the U.S. that is the one with no clue as to what is going on in the middle east, with the Brits just following along in our footsteps.

If and when Iran was to ever be a nuclear threat to the region, Israel would have done to them exactly what they did to Iraq's nuke plant in 1984 or there abouts.

[Faceman]

It's always our fault, right George? Blame America First should be under you're name.

What do you think is going to happen with Iran gets the bomb? Someone needs to take them out before it happens, because if they don't WW3 will be here, and all the players will be involved.

[Jimmy Biggs]

It would be a No Issue if Brit Captans had the OK to shoot at the Iranian Attackers ;)
That is why they didn't try it on American boats ...... They knew the Brit Policy

[MagicRatt]

It's always our fault, right George? Blame America First should be under you're name.



Unbelievable....let's just bury our heads in the sand and wait to get killed. Maybe the dems will save us........

[i_miss_racing!]

Unbelievable....let's just bury our heads in the sand and wait to get killed. Maybe the dems will save us........


thanks Magic!

[George Klass]

Face, you are confusing America with the morons that are running our country right now. That would be a mistake on your part.

[Faceman]

Face, you are confusing America with the morons that are running our country right now. That would be a mistake on your part.

It doesn't matter who was in charge, these same type of statements were maid when Clinton was President, Blame America first for all the world's problems and that is just straight BULL SHIT!!!

[Driven2xs]

I still find it hard to believe how George has all this insider information, as to why the US is all screwed up with their policy.

OBVIOUSLY, he knows more than the experts.

[nos351]

The LA Times is Georges "Intellegience" Department. He gets a briefing each day.

[George Klass]

Foreign policy? What policy? Exactly what is "our" foreign policy, on anything? Right now it appears that "our" foreign policy is to not talk to any country that we don't like. That's not policy, that's idiocy.

The Godfather says, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Bush needs to rent the movie again, and maybe this time someone can explain it to him.

This Nancy Pelosi trip (and you know my feelings about her) is an example of the two faced moron in the White House and the way he thinks. He says that Pelosi's visit is "potentionally undermining U.S. foreign policy with Syria". My question is, what is our foreign policy with Syria? And the answer is, we have no policy because we refuse to communicate with them on an official level.

Bush says that we can't talk to Syria because they sponsor or aid terrorism. Well, I'm sure they do. I'm sure that all or most of the countries over in that region aid or sponsor terrorism, including Saudi Arabia, none of which is enough to keep Bush and Saudi King Abdullah from having a barbeque at the Crawford ranch. It's all just two faced nonsense in my opinion. Bush critisizes Pelosi and yet when Republican congressmen Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and Robert Aderholt met in Syria with Assad ONE WEEK AGO, he had nothing negative to say about it and how it might undermine our foreign policy with Syria.

In my opinion, talking together, at the highest levels, trying to negotiate a better understanding of problems between enemies is the best way to keep the lines of communications open, keep the lead from flying, keep the crap like this present "Iranian hostage issue" from happening. When you push a guy into a corner and he has no one to discuss his issues with, you will never find any peaceful solutions to anything. And you talk and talk until you work out a solution, even if some compromising is involved. It's called diplomacy.

And if after all of that, you still can't solve your differences using diplomacy, you resort to a military solution and go in and blow up that country with a nuclear bomb and be done with it, "overwhelming force" as Gunny puts it. Instead, here is "our" foreign policy: We don't talk to them (anybody other than the Brits it seems), no diplomacy whatsoever, and we refuse to use the military in the mission that the miltary can succeed in, overwhelming force, and haven't since we won the war in 1945.

[nos351]

Actually I agree somewhat with you George, we did talk to the Russians during the Cold War and Nixon talked to Mao of China. Nothing wrong talking with your enemies or negotiating with them, just do it from a position of strength.

[O.C White]

George,

your post sounds like kissing butt to me. That post has foreplay written all over it. Didn't we talk to Saddam for 12 years with sanction after sanction? I am pretty sure we talked to the Iranians when they held our hostages for 444 days.

Israeli's do not talk to the Syrians and they are closer than we are. Your talk policy is just that talk.

[George Klass]

Yaeh, we talked to Saddam, and in fact, he told us that there were no more WMD in Iraq, and so we sent in the U.N. inspectors to check it out, and they told us the same thing. We talked to Saddam, but we didn't listen, and the results are 3300+ dead American service men and women, no improvements in Iraq for the Iraqis, and now we have removed the Iranian's biggest enemy. Yeah, we have a great foreign policy all right.

But at least we have kept the price of oil stable in this country, with prices the same as they were in 2003 before we invaded.

Or, maybe not.

[O.C White]

I didn't just bring up Saddam in my post but I noticed you left out the prick from Iran and what I talked about them and the hostages.

George you are so predictable. Talking about Iraq gives you very little leverage so you hang onto to that.

You made mention of Syria not hosting or sponsoring terrorism. Why is the leader of Hamas hiding there? Oh I know Hamas is not a terrorist group, they are mis-understood.

[Faceman]

Yaeh, we talked to Saddam, and in fact, he told us that there were no more WMD in Iraq, and so we sent in the U.N. inspectors to check it out, and they told us the same thing. We talked to Saddam, but we didn't listen, and the results are 3300+ dead American service men and women, no improvements in Iraq for the Iraqis, and now we have removed the Iranian's biggest enemy. Yeah, we have a great foreign policy all right.

But at least we have kept the price of oil stable in this country, with prices the same as they were in 2003 before we invaded.

Or, maybe not.

Just like the Iranians are going to use there nuclear development for peaceful purposes!!!

George let me remind you that every intelligence agency in the WORLD believed what we did, that Saddam had weapons hidden and there is still no definitive proof that he didn't. Just because we haven't found them or maybe the idea he moved them to make us look bad doesn't mean that they didn't exist. He used them against his own people, but the everyone likes to forget that, just like they like to forget who VOTED to go to war, like every powerful DEMOCRAT in congress, but hind site is 20/20 now they say they were lead a stray, which again is BULL SHIT!!!

Our foreign policy is easy, protect oil so it can flow to the free world, the sooner all you Californian tree huggers figure that out, the better off you'll be.

[George Klass]

Well, if our foreign policy is "to protect oil so it can flow to the free world" (an admirable policy BTW), then let's nationalize our oil industry and let our government make the billions in profits instead of Exxon-Mobil and Shell, etc. Maybe if we did that we could eliminate taxes, LOL.

Think about what you are saying. You want the American public to fund billions of dollars of our tax money and to offer up Amercain military lives so that some corporations can have their products "protected" and make the billions in profits off of it. Something is wrong with this picture, but in essence, that is exactly what is happening now.

There are alot of things in this country that have been "nationalized" (the railroads for instance) and if oil is so important that we are going to go to war over it, maybe this industry SHOULD be nationalized. I'm not suggesting that we should, however, maybe it's worth talking about.

[taxman]

Marxism to protect Democracy?

[O.C White]

How come a quart of oil never goes up when gas prices go up?

[Faceman]

Well, if our foreign policy is "to protect oil so it can flow to the free world" (an admirable policy BTW), then let's nationalize our oil industry and let our government make the billions in profits instead of Exxon-Mobil and Shell, etc. Maybe if we did that we could eliminate taxes, LOL.

The last time I looked this was United States of America, not Venezuela. Where’re capitalist like or not. Free enterprise will always trump socialist ideas. The Federal Government already makes more money per gallon then all of the oil companies; 29cents of every gallon goes to the federal government.



Think about what you are saying. You want the American public to fund billions of dollars of our tax money and to offer up Amercain military lives so that some corporations can have their products "protected" and make the billions in profits off of it. Something is wrong with this picture, but in essence, that is exactly what is happening now.

Funny, this country has been doing that for as long as it has been in existence, may I remind you of a little thing called the Panama cannel.

Something is wrong with you receiving a pay check too, but if we didn't have any oil we wouldn't have to worry about that now would we, shit no of us would have to worry about that. Do you even realize all of the products that are derived from oil? Americans in general are making money off of all of this, people in the stock market, school teachers 401k, it gets around.



There are alot of things in this country that have been "nationalized" (the railroads for instance) and if oil is so important that we are going to go to war over it, maybe this industry SHOULD be nationalized. I'm not suggesting that we should, however, maybe it's worth talking about.

Yeah tell me how good Amtrak is doing? There ready for bankruptcy, I wonder why? I guess it doesn't have anything to do with it being run by a government bureaucracy.

See what all the rich stock holders and Union 401K plans think about that before you go calling you're congressman.

[taxman]

The only reason they created Amtrack was to keep a bunch of bankrupt railroads in business. Be glad they did it.

[Faceman]

Why I never ride it, and I'll bet that better then 50% of the member on YellowBullet have never ridden it either.

[George Klass]

Well, as you say, marxism vs. capitalism. So, let the oil companies hire and pay for their own military then. I don't see the military protecting Wal-Mart. They have to hire their own guards, out of the private sector, right?

[nos351]

The whole thing boils down to whether the US wants to be world leader/policeman or become more isolationist. I myself would rather see a more isolationist stance.

[Shelton_Barrs]

How come a quart of oil never goes up when gas prices go up?

Good question...

[Shelton_Barrs]

The whole thing boils down to whether the US wants to be world leader/policeman or become more isolationist. I myself would rather see a more isolationist stance.


I wouldn't mind seeing get out of the world police business but I don't want to go to far to the isolationist side either. My only thing is if we are going to go somewhere to do something (not just Iraq but anytime we send our military somewhere) they need to be free to do what they need to do.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

If we could figure a way to get oil futures prices down on the stock market, that would move the prices and the oil profits downward.

As it is and as it has been forever almost, Gas goes up real high and after a period of time it does go back down. It never goes down to the level it was before each huge jump though. So in the step of things it has and will progressively be at higher and higher levels each time it levels back to an average.

Ed

[zaffman]

Shit my solution is simple. We need to invade Mexico and South America and put all our manufacturing jobs down there have Ford GM run plants down there with cheep labor and have the guys working the plants up here run the plants down there!!! Than we say hey look canada your next start paying us X amount of money and this money will go to a fund for lost jobs in the US and put it towrds new jobs LOL I think it will work!!!

[QIKLUV]

How come a quart of oil never goes up when gas prices go up?

i asked the same ? to the econimics professor..... last year......boy oh boy did he sound like a politician with his dumb ass "answer", he never really did answer the ?.....