Backed into corner. How will he get out?

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Backed into corner. How will he get out?

It looks like the Democrat sponsored bill will be a win-win for the Democrats and a no way to win for the president and the troops.

All have now dismissed for a two week vacation and no one was left as a spokesperson, or any contact person was left for any possibility of any negotiations.

War funds are depleted and The US president has been put into the corner with no way out.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11607

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/pork-used-to-pass-iraq-bill

http://www.examiner.com/a-630604~Mark_Tapscott__Pork_stuffed_Iraq_bill_shows _Bush_weakness_on_earmarks.html

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/3/23/150229.shtml?s=ic

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/03/post_41.html

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Obviously no one else is as concerned about this underhanded show of Political trick, One-ups-man-ship that just happened as I am.

This leaves the Democratic Majority in a no lose political position, and that could be ok with me except for the high stakes in this particular hand.

If Buish veto's this bill called Iraq Spending Bill, He loses and Democrates win.
If Bush signs it into law, Bush loses and Democrats win.

If Bush loses in this show of political gamery it means Our US American Military Personell in Iraq also loses.
Our Troops lose when all Funding is cut off to give them any supplies or aid.
Our Troops lose if the enemy knows a set in stone dateline for them to pull out.

Our Troops have now been put into more of a no win condition by the political manuevering, vote buying and pork rolls included into this bill.

THEN To top it all off, they sent this bill to the president to sign into law just as it is exactly or cut off all funding for our US Servicemen and women n battle. AND THEN as if washing their blood soaked hands just took off for a two week vacation.

This makes me so angry at them.
My first reaction was OK You can bet that now I won't be voting for any Democrat for president. This may cause me to do just that, but after further thought, I will vote against the exact ones who did support and had part in this politic blackmal scheme that is directed against our fighting men and women. That is the only way I can see this as being.

So, It does look like the Democrat leaders have played their game better and came out on top, which is all they really care about anyhow. Truth is it is also all the Republican party mainstream politicians care about either. They lost this time, to the better strategy.

Politics do not belong in war or in war or battle decisions.

Ed

[Monty Mikho]

How do the troops win or lose when there is no finish line or path to a finish line? Want ours troops to win? Send them on a mission with a goal!! and let them plan out the path to accomplish their mission.. Easy, plain and simple!!

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Want ours troops to win? Send them on a mission with a goal!! and let them plan out the path to accomplish their mission.. Easy, plain and simple!!

Agree.
let them plan out the path to accomplish their mission.

Ed

[Jimmy Biggs]

How do the troops win or lose when there is no finish line or path to a finish line? Want ours troops to win? Send them on a mission with a goal!! and let them plan out the path to accomplish their mission.. Easy, plain and simple!!

See Monty and I agree

[Jimmy Biggs]

If the Republicans put out what (and $$$) is in the bill the Dem's will be the losers..... They won't vote on a "Clean Bill" (thats $$$ for the war only or pull out now)

[MagicRatt]

Did anyone hear some of the "pork" that was included in this bill?? I heard some of the monies that were granted out to the agriculture industry and it tossed up a red flag for me. 24 million for a spinich farmer? I think this is how the dems are paying back their buddies that got them into office.

Rich

[Jimmy Biggs]

Did anyone hear some of the "pork" that was included in this bill?? I heard some of the monies that were granted out to the agriculture industry and it tossed up a red flag for me. 24 million for a spinich farmer? I think this is how the dems are paying back their buddies that got them into office.

Rich


They were buying the votes....... take that pork off..... the Dem's don't have the votes

[nos351]

That legislation is DOA.

[Monty Mikho]

both the right and left buy votes... Dont act as one is better than the other.. They just choose to rob the American people differently..

[bigpoppapreston]

How do the troops win or lose when there is no finish line or path to a finish line? Want ours troops to win? Send them on a mission with a goal!! and let them plan out the path to accomplish their mission.. Easy, plain and simple!!

amen brother!!! :supz:

[Jimmy Biggs]

both the right and left buy votes... Dont act as one is better than the other.. They just choose to rob the American people differently..

OH YEA...... its screwed up........ Thats the problem with DC........ They care more about themselves then the people that sent them

[taxman]

24 million for a spinich farmer?

This is the spinich farmer that gave everybody the stomach bug last year.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

It does look like the Democrat leaders have played their game better and came out on top, which is all they really care about anyhow. Truth is it is also all the Republican party mainstream politicians care about either. They lost this time, to the better strategy.

Politics do not belong in war or in war or battle decisions.

Ed

And again I say. Somehow someone has to figure a way to get pork out of all bills that go to a sitting US President or give them Line Item Veto.

Is there any way to eliminate the good old buddy vote for my cause system?

I think there is. Eliminate political fund raiser events for candidates for Federal Offices, , dinners etc. eliminate all of the loop holes that allow special interested financial supporters from pulling the strings and even though it would be money out of our tax pockets, make it so that once a viable candidate, certified to run for office by documents and cetified names on petitions, and any other criteria that would be necessary to make anyone to be elgible to run for any office in the US Government.

Let the state goverments do the way they have been doing if you want but when it comes to offices that control the nation's purse strings, military, and make laws, I do think we need better than mostly professional liars, lawyers, and Butt Kissers who are loyal to 0nly those who paid for them to run as a candidate for office.

Maybe we should also limit a politician's terms in either house too. Maybe to two or four terms maximum. Maybe three. If we bother to check we have many representatives and senators that pretty much take care of themselves and the lobbyist groups paying them and the interests of those who financially supported them.

When you hear a politician talking about their constituancy, you can bet your bottom dollar they are not talking about the voters that elected them in. They are talking about the bankrollers that helped them to be more popular with giving more money for bigger campaigns.

THIS TIME the pork was really attached to the wrong bill. Don't mess with our troops or our military if you want my vote.

Ed

[N2Ojunkie]

LOL @ all of this.
However the republican transportation bill of 2005 is ok with everybody here. It had more pork in it than any other bill in history.


And all of the budgets and war spending measures before this passed by republicans had plenty of pork attached to them. Yet now some people are suddenly outraged by this. LMFAO

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Well Jim,
Maybe it is what this bill is primarily about is why I am objecting so much about all this pork. I still think that them just saying heck with it all we passed the bill, now we are going on a two week vacation, and we don't care because we have put it all on you to deal with. It will be on your neck if funding stops.

I hate pork on any bill. It is not ok or right no matter who does it. No one ever knows who initiate the pork and most people do not even know about it.

This issue is not the correct place to stage a political stand-off. This is important.

Ed

[bigpoppapreston]

Did anyone hear some of the "pork" that was included in this bill?? I heard some of the monies that were granted out to the agriculture industry and it tossed up a red flag for me. 24 million for a spinich farmer? I think this is how the dems are paying back their buddies that got them into office.

Rich

do anyone remember in the 2004 campaign that bush was lobbying for the farmers votes and promised that he would not cut any federal money to help the farmers?

i guess it was the same promise that he made to MADD when he stated that he would renew the brady bill but when the nra said that if he did, they would not vote for him. this was also in the 2004 campaign. politicians would do and say just about anything for votes.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9076

[N2Ojunkie]

Well Jim,
Maybe it is what this bill is primarily about is why I am objecting so much about all this pork. I still think that them just saying heck with it all we passed the bill, now we are going on a two week vacation, and we don't care because we have put it all on you to deal with. It will be on your neck if funding stops.

I hate pork on any bill. It is not ok or right no matter who does it. No one ever knows who initiate the pork and most people do not even know about it.

This issue is not the correct place to stage a political stand-off. This is important.

Ed
I understand your passion about this. However it has become standard operating procedure in the legislature. You can't be mad at democrats for it. Republicans do it as well. Both parties are always trying to tie the hands of the opposition. And get them to vote for measures just so they can use them against them in tv ads for the next election.

Until something is done to elimate pork things like this will be done to EVERY bill important or not.

[handfist]

OH YEA...... its screwed up........ That's the problem with DC........ They care more about themselves then the people that sent them

Correct , and as long as there is a small voter turnout each election the politicians will continue to sell out the American people.

[nos351]

line item veto is the only answer, it would slow it down but not eliminate it.

[taxman]

Veto it and let them write a proper bill and stop playing partisan politics and get things right, THEN give yourselves a raise and go on vacation.

[Faceman]

LOL @ all of this.
However the republican transportation bill of 2005 is ok with everybody here. It had more pork in it than any other bill in history.




I wasn't alright with it, and I was disgusted the President signed it.

[George Klass]

Come on, let's get over this nickle and dime shit. After almost 4 years of trying without success to train hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to defend their country, it should be obvious to even Stevie Wonder that in Iraq, theorcracy trumps democracy, always has and always will. And now, with Bush's buddy, the King of Saudi Arabia accusing us of being "illegitimate" foreign occupires of Iraq, you would think that Bush might get the message and let Iraq solve this little problem on their own. Bush is either too stupid or too stubborn or both.................or...................maybe this whole thing has nothing whatsoever to do with democracy, ya think?

Gasoline in So Cal is $3.35 a gallon for regular.

[nos351]

I think ol King Sad would like to see oil prices even higher, that would happen if the US pulled out now.

[MagicRatt]

or...................maybe this whole thing has nothing whatsoever to do with democracy, ya think?



George, I kinda agree with this statement. I think that our presence in Iraq has created a magnet for terrorists. I can hear the terrorist battle cries now. "let's go to Iraq and fight the americans"!! Maybe the plan was to bleed out all the bad eggs in the muslim world and it's taking longer than expected? At this point it don't matter if we leave today or 10 years from now, Iraq is a sitting duck because without a US presence, the iranians and syrians will be there in a heart beat supporting rival factions. The iraqi gov will fold in a week. If you want to be free you have to fight for it and sometimes I wonder if the Iraqi people have the will to fight. sad story........

[Shelton_Barrs]

They were buying the votes....... take that pork off..... the Dem's don't have the votes

without the pork neither party could get a bill through 99% of the time...it has gotten to the point that is the only way to pass a bill, they buy each others votes with "pork"...

[Shelton_Barrs]

LOL @ all of this.
However the republican transportation bill of 2005 is ok with everybody here. It had more pork in it than any other bill in history.


And all of the budgets and war spending measures before this passed by republicans had plenty of pork attached to them. Yet now some people are suddenly outraged by this. LMFAO

wasn't ok with me....that bill sucked.

[Shelton_Barrs]

George, I kinda agree with this statement. I think that our presence in Iraq has created a magnet for terrorists. I can hear the terrorist battle cries now. "let's go to Iraq and fight the americans"!! Maybe the plan was to bleed out all the bad eggs in the muslim world and it's taking longer than expected? At this point it don't matter if we leave today or 10 years from now, Iraq is a sitting duck because without a US presence, the iranians and syrians will be there in a heart beat supporting rival factions. The iraqi gov will fold in a week. If you want to be free you have to fight for it and sometimes I wonder if the Iraqi people have the will to fight. sad story........

If you were an Iraqi and knew our not to distant past history (Korea, Veitnam, 1st Gulf War) and were listening to many of our politicians and media how quick would you be to jump up and fight with the Americans? As a single man I would do it in a heartbeat in that position, would figure it was my only chance at a good life, but as a Husband and father of two you can bet I would be a lot more hesitant to do it out of concern on what would become of them if/when America left me high and dry like we did in Saigon...

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Looks like he is getting out of the corner.
Ed


Bush seems to relish the opportunity to veto the Iraq war funding bill that Congress will send him in the next few weeks. He contends that it imposes impermissible limits on his commander-in-chief powers and adds billions in unrelated spending to his request.
On Tuesday he urged Democratic leaders to “send me this unacceptable bill as quickly as possible…. I'll veto it, and then Congress can get down to the business of funding our troops without strings and without delay.”


A defining moment of Clinton’s presidency was Oct. 19, 1995 when he threw down the gauntlet to House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole. “I will not let you destroy Medicare and I will veto this bill,” Clinton said referring to GOP legislation curbing the future growth of Medicare spending.
The standoff between Republican leaders and Clinton led to the government shutdown at the end of 1995. Clinton won the perception battle on Medicare and it helped him win a second term


Some Democratic leaders forecast Bush winning the Iraq veto fight. “I don’t think that we will see a majority of the Senate vote to cut off funding at this stage,” said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. Sunday. “Nobody wants to play chicken with our troops on the ground,” he said.

[Hammer59]

Jimmy, we don't need anymore damn bills!