Bla bla bla- blah

[Chris Uratchko]

I'm a patriot. I'm an authority. I know this, I know that, bla bla bla.....

All these nations around us who hate us, while we help them are laughing all the way to the bank. Including Iran, Russia, Syria, China, N. Korea, France, Germany, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc..........

Why? Because we all parade how patriotic we are, how smart we are, all the while we give all these folks our money, goods, services. Then we say again how smart and great we are. And we give them more.

This nation is FINISHED. FINITO. There is no longer a foundation to hold it up. Just a bunch of different ethnics, all divided, coming to a boiling point here.

Ya'll can't live in the same space completely divided on core values.

It's good entertainment though.

Please form a single file line, trust me it's a shower, not an oven.

[nos351]

Jokes on them, they are getting paid in fiat money. This nation finished? I dont think so, last time I looked it had the greatest GDP of any nation. Values no doubt are declining at a fast pace. However greed is the base for American society success and until there is a perception that each is not getting their fair share everything will keep running like clockwork.

[Chris Uratchko]

So GDP is what holds up a nation? Wow...

[Jimmy Biggs]

Chris No Fear...... something is here that the Media can't stop........ the Internet ... ;)

[nos351]

So GDP is what holds up a nation? Wow...

Guess you learned something today. Think of the top nations of the world, now go look at how they are ranked in GDP. If a person cant feed their family,not much else matters including any value system. Why do you think people are trying to get into this nation? Because of our values, hardly.

[Chris Uratchko]

Quality of life in general is on the decline.

The food is getting worse by the day. Just glamorized chemicals.

People are getting more lazy, out of shape and fat.

The clothing people wear today is glamorized 3rd world clothing(expensive 3rd world)

People don't appreciate what they have in terms of what they own... folks treat their cars like crap.

Roads are crap. Gov't is crap.


Oh how great we are though.

[nos351]

So what country you looking to move to?

[taxman]

[quote=Chris Uratchko;297586]I'm a patriot. I'm an authority. I know this, I know that, bla bla bla.....

Just a bunch of different ethnics, all divided, coming to a boiling point here./quote]

As a patriot, you should know that the second line I quoted is what created this country. As one myself and even with this country's problems, I don't see a better alternative out there, do you?

[Jimmy Biggs]

Roads are crap.

Chris I've been pretty much all over this planet...... Ya gotta see the roads in Bulgaria...... Mexico...... Romania.... then you'll like America more........ I didn't start traveling the world till I was in my 30's....... I kiss the ground here when I return...... No place better on the Planet........ NONE

[Crazy68]

Chris I've been pretty much all over this planet...... Ya gotta see the roads in Bulgaria...... Mexico...... Romania.... then you'll like America more........ I didn't start traveling the world till I was in my 30's....... I kiss the ground here when I return...... No place better on the Planet........ NONE
Chris-Move to Canada.We treat everyone right here.LOL.We have good roads too!!

[Jeff Chandler]

People are getting more lazy, out of shape and fat.

I'm working on correcting that Chris, will you stay?:lol:

[RyonPro1]

Hey Chris, I have a question and I'm not trying to start trouble, I really have a problem with this at times. This is a line of thought that I get into many times. So I think I agree with you to a degree. But there are parts that worry me.

Should we help other countries? Even those that speak ill of us, or flat out don't like us?
This is my problem. At times I feel as you do. But as with many problems, I seek guidance elsewhere. I consider the Surmon on the Mount to be a pretty good guidebook for most things. I believe it's around Mathew 5-7?
Is there a limit to our help?
Blessed are the meek, the merciful, the peacemakers.
Give him who begs from you.
Paraphrase: Turn the other cheek.

I am curious where do you think we draw the line? I definately agree, I don't like where the country is going. But I have to admit, I get stumped.

I forget where it is at.
Take care of your own house, or your worse than an unbeliever.

Sorry, I should have more examples, but I was up late and got up early, and class is getting ready to start.

Shawn

[Chris Uratchko]

Ya'll have been brainwashed to compare yourselves to the world around you.

Is that the best that you want for yourselves, or your children? Is a simple comparison to the garbage around the world?

Isn't that what our idiot leaders are doing? Comparing our laws and freedoms to what is around the world?

Why would we want to have relative comparisons to what is legal, or what is good or bad in a country such as China or France?

We should be holding ourselves to a higher standard than the rest of the world. And it should be expected, not compared, that we keep trying to be better and better when it comes to standards of living, technology, education, food, etc...

It's not saying much that we have better roads than Romania. I don't care what is in Romania.

[Chris Uratchko]

As for money. I say we don't give money to any nation that is capable of sustaining itself... period.

A nation that is having a hard time like some 3rd world nations, different story.

[nos351]

As for money. I say we don't give money to any nation that is capable of sustaining itself... period.

A nation that is having a hard time like some 3rd world nations, different story.


So no money to Israel?

[Jimmy Biggs]

Chris you want something that doesn't exist........ How can you say America is bad??? Compaired to what???? You need to get out in the World and see what other countries are like...... Trust Me you will have a new found love for this country....... You can't go live anywhere else on the planet and have the quality of life we have right here

[Bluenoser]

Ya'll have been brainwashed to compare yourselves to the world around you.

Is that the best that you want for yourselves, or your children? Is a simple comparison to the garbage around the world?

Isn't that what our idiot leaders are doing? Comparing our laws and freedoms to what is around the world?

Why would we want to have relative comparisons to what is legal, or what is good or bad in a country such as China or France?

We should be holding ourselves to a higher standard than the rest of the world. And it should be expected, not compared, that we keep trying to be better and better when it comes to standards of living, technology, education, food, etc...

It's not saying much that we have better roads than Romania. I don't care what is in Romania.
X2!! I agree. I'm sorry to admit that I don't care about an earthquake in some mudpit elsewhere in the world. I don't care that France has trouble battling their college students (and they thought they could hold the Germans back in 1940!:smt082 ). I don't care that children in other countries are working for 2 cents a day. I don't care that Mexicans live in squalor in Mexico.

What I care about?
- supporting our troops. Give them the tools they need to do the job given to them. (ie. air support, armor, lots and lots of ammo, no media coverage)
- supporting our own country. (ie. actors adopting orphans form THIS country, tv personalities investing in THESE schools, politicians protecting OUR borders, our citizens buying from OUR companies,etc...)
-our freedoms
-our way of life

[Chris Uratchko]

You can't go live anywhere else on the planet and have the quality of life we have right here


So what? that sounds nice and all but really..... who cares?

I don't care if it is better here than else where. That does not mean we just take the bad with the good.

Again, we need to work harder in America. We are lazy people, and getting lazier. We need to improve our food, improve our work ethics, improve our government, improve our infrastructure.....

Not just say, it's better here than there.... so it's good enough. that is BS.

[Jimmy Biggs]

Not just say, it's better here than there.... so it's good enough. that is BS.

No BS here Chris...... You want Eutopia........ Your Eutopia is different then everone else's (not a slam on ya just nobody is the same) I like it here..... if I want change in my life I do it..... Now just throw out the Corn Flakes that somebody peed on this morning..... you'll never get that taste outta them :confused:

[Chris Uratchko]

Hey now I'll bet there's a lot of cornflakes with piss on them coming from another country and all.

Not looking for Eutopia.

Looking for people to step up to the plate and work harder. Not riding on any throne or anything but I work 12-18 hour days pretty regularly. It's not asking much for the fat lazy clowns in this nation to pick up the pace and help improve our infrastructure, medical system, food, etc...

Folks are not spending enough time working on AMERICA. Folks are too concerned about what is going on in Iraq, Iran, France etc....

[Jimmy Biggs]

If you depend on someone else to step up you will be let down every time. IMHO I think the net is gonna change us here in the US...... Folks like you (and me) are fed up with Politicians that make a carreer outta living in DC....... They don't care about us as a Nation..... just their own POWER......... Everyday "Joe's" need to step up on a local level to take back Power and put it too the people

[George Klass]

Gee whiz Chris, you do get lathered up, don't you? Relax, enjoy the fucked-up-ness. Life is too important to take seriously.

[Rick_R]

The problem is no matter what you do there will be fat lazy clowns that take a free ride, don't matter what kind of government or social system. The more charitable the system is the more lazy people there will be. Most people only work hard enough to sustain their lifestyle, so if they are a welfare bum thats all they will do, If they work minimum wage they are stuck there, middle class laborers are stuck there and the poor rich folk are stuck with the money.
The great thing about the USA is that you work to change what you do not like. If you do not like lazy people do something about it, besides bitching on the net. If there is some lazy MOFO in the next cubicle tell his boss he's not pulling his weight, if it is your boss that's the lazy sob, then tell his boss. In other words if you don't like something, do something about it that will effect change, freedom is a wonderful thing.

[George Klass]

Good post Rick, but I would add one thing to your remark, "freedom is a wonderful thing". You are free to work to fix something that you don't like and you are also free to complain about it if you want.

[Jimmy Biggs]

The problem is no matter what you do there will be fat lazy clowns that take a free ride, don't matter what kind of government or social system. The more charitable the system is the more lazy people there will be. Most people only work hard enough to sustain their lifestyle, so if they are a welfare bum thats all they will do, If they work minimum wage they are stuck there, middle class laborers are stuck there and the poor rich folk are stuck with the money.
The great thing about the USA is that you work to change what you do not like. If you do not like lazy people do something about it, besides bitching on the net. If there is some lazy MOFO in the next cubicle tell his boss he's not pulling his weight, if it is your boss that's the lazy sob, then tell his boss. In other words if you don't like something, do something about it that will effect change, freedom is a wonderful thing.

**** Or start your own business :supz:

[O.C White]

I guess waking up late you miss all this good stuff, wow. Isn't a freedom to be fat lazy if you choose?

I seem to be missing something on the freedom part.

[N2Ojunkie]

I guess waking up late you miss all this good stuff, wow. Isn't a freedom to be fat lazy if you choose?

I seem to be missing something on the freedom part.
One would think that.

However if you don't agree with him you must be a lunatic... LOL

[Chris Uratchko]

I do like the freedom of complaining.... :oops:

[N2Ojunkie]

This nation is FINISHED. FINITO. There is no longer a foundation to hold it up. Just a bunch of different ethnics, all divided, coming to a boiling point here.

Ya'll can't live in the same space completely divided on core values.

It's good entertainment though.

Please form a single file line, trust me it's a shower, not an oven.

Bullshit. However, you are FREE to leave anytime you wish.

[N2Ojunkie]

I do like the freedom of complaining.... :oops:
Look into the past and see what has happened to countries where people were not allowed to complain.

I'll take what we have now over any of those situations.

[Jeremy Glass]

So what? that sounds nice and all but really..... who cares?

I don't care if it is better here than else where. That does not mean we just take the bad with the good.

Again, we need to work harder in America. We are lazy people, and getting lazier. We need to improve our food, improve our work ethics, improve our government, improve our infrastructure.....

Not just say, it's better here than there.... so it's good enough. that is BS.

Maybe you should cancel your racing operation and become a farmer, or take an active role in politics then?

Nobody is going to work harder, or improve anything because you tell them to. Maybe you should lead by example?

[Chris Uratchko]

Bullshit. However, you are FREE to leave anytime you wish.


Free to leave if I want things improved? I know that is the sentiment of the fat lazy welfare loving liberals, Sounds like you're just fine with a declining standard of living. And you are free to be fine with that but just sit back and let others work hard for you.

[Chris Uratchko]

Maybe you should cancel your racing operation and become a farmer, or take an active role in politics then?

Nobody is going to work harder, or improve anything because you tell them to. Maybe you should lead by example?


Lead by example? Maybe working 2 jobs would be example enough for fat lazy welfare crowd? Obviously not...

sorry, it is not asking much for the fat lazy welfare crowd to STEP UP TO THE PLATE. You want to live on Welfare, MOVE OUT. And if you don't like that sentiment, gET THE HECK OUT TOO.

This nation was built on work ethic. Not what you see today.

[N2Ojunkie]

Free to leave if I want things improved? I know that is the sentiment of the fat lazy welfare loving liberals, Sounds like you're just fine with a declining standard of living. And you are free to be fine with that but just sit back and let others work hard for you.I don't see it as a declining standard of living. Times change. I am doing better now than I was 10 years ago. Why? Not because the economy is better I can promise you that. I put my wife through college and I am still working on myself. I have used that and my military training to get plenty of promotions and increases in pay and responsibility that go with it.

If your standard of living is declining do something about it!


Cliff notes version. I work 50-60 hours a week, got to school between 3/4 and full time, raise 2 great children, coach my sons baseball team, and make sure that the needs of my family are met. So you can attempt to classify my as a fat, lazy liberal without knowing nothing about me if you want to but sorry that dog won't hunt.

[Chris Uratchko]

Hey I never called you that if you took it that way maybe you need to do some soul searching? :smt081

[N2Ojunkie]

Hey I never called you that if you took it that way maybe you need to do some soul searching? :smt081I own way to many firearms to be a liberal:supz:

[George Klass]

"complaining" is not a dirty word. It is a legitimate word meaning "an expression of grief, pain or discontent".

[Chris Uratchko]

Thank you George. what do I owe you for that piece of information? :roll:

[Jeremy Glass]

Lead by example? Maybe working 2 jobs would be example enough for fat lazy welfare crowd? Obviously not...

sorry, it is not asking much for the fat lazy welfare crowd to STEP UP TO THE PLATE. You want to live on Welfare, MOVE OUT. And if you don't like that sentiment, gET THE HECK OUT TOO.

This nation was built on work ethic. Not what you see today.

How is your 2nd job building engines improving our government? How is it improving our food? Seems like its only funding YOUR racing hobby to me? You working two jobs is doing nothing to fix the things you are complaining about.

[handfist]

X2!! I agree. I'm sorry to admit that I don't care about an earthquake in some mudpit elsewhere in the world. I don't care that France has trouble battling their college students (and they thought they could hold the Germans back in 1940!:smt082 ). I don't care that children in other countries are working for 2 cents a day. I don't care that Mexicans live in squalor in Mexico.

What I care about?
- supporting our troops. Give them the tools they need to do the job given to them. (ie. air support, armor, lots and lots of ammo, no media coverage)
- supporting our own country. (ie. actors adopting orphans form THIS country, tv personalities investing in THESE schools, politicians protecting OUR borders, our citizens buying from OUR companies,etc...)
-our freedoms
-our way of life

I agree 100%.

[handfist]

Hey now I'll bet there's a lot of cornflakes with piss on them coming from another country and all.

Not looking for Eutopia.

Looking for people to step up to the plate and work harder. Not riding on any throne or anything but I work 12-18 hour days pretty regularly. It's not asking much for the fat lazy clowns in this nation to pick up the pace and help improve our infrastructure, medical system, food, etc...

Folks are not spending enough time working on AMERICA. Folks are too concerned about what is going on in Iraq, Iran, France etc....

You are correct.

[Chris Uratchko]

How is your 2nd job building engines improving our government? How is it improving our food? Seems like its only funding YOUR racing hobby to me? You working two jobs is doing nothing to fix the things you are complaining about.


Work is work. It all helps the country move forward. Sittin at home collecting a check and watching TV is a different story.

[Jimmy Biggs]

Work is work. It all helps the country move forward. Sittin at home collecting a check and watching TV is a different story.


HEY..... I NEED PEOPLE WATCHIN TV :mad:

[nos351]

Work is work. It all helps the country move forward. Sittin at home collecting a check and watching TV is a different story.

Ahhh grasshopper you have come full circle......back to GDP.....and you have gained wisdom.

[O.C White]

I sit home and collect a check and watch TV. But then again I put in 21 years to collect that check and sit home.

[Rick_R]

Good post Rick, but I would add one thing to your remark, "freedom is a wonderful thing". You are free to work to fix something that you don't like and you are also free to complain about it if you want.
Everyone is free to complain BUT if you want to change things complain to those that have the power to effect the change, If you want the gov't to change campaign for change and get others to vote. IF you want the lazy SOB in the next cubicle to pull his/her weight, then complain to them then to there boss. Complain effectively if you want things to change. Not bitching about complaining, I do it all the time, complain to who can effect the change you desire instead of wasting your breathe, become an activist fight for the changes you want.
Of course freedom also gives us the freedom to just vent when we are having a bad day too :p

[Jimmy Biggs]

I'm a doer..... Too Many complainers with no solution...... I see a problem/need and go after it and solve it........ I'm busy till 2010 then I'll run for President and straighten the place out :cool:

[N2Ojunkie]

Ahhh grasshopper you have come full circle......back to GDP.....and you have gained wisdom.
LOL

[RyonPro1]

I have two suggestions for turning this place around.

1 Teach people to live on LESS than they make. It sounds easy but the average american has a negative savings rate.

2 Teach people how compound interest works.
A = P(1+i)^n
That is one of the simple formula's of compound interest. The superscript n is the important part. If you know how to read a graph, you know, like a racepak. And can see what a parobolic curve does "OVER TIME". Then it will take about thirty years and are our standard of living will be untouchable.

Shawn

edit: than n is supposed to be an exponent. It didn't copy and paste through like I hoped.

[O.C White]

I have a suggestion. Not a draft but mandatory military service. Seems to work for the Israeli's. Citizens seem to appreciate things there more.

Remember I said not a draft, but put it into law.

I get a kick out of some post around here, the whole sky is falling, doom, and gloom, man how did we ever make it 231 years the way we live with panic around every corner?

You know I always thought I was the paranoid type, but my goodness.


Vote, or run for office that simple if you want to make and see changes. I guess I was spoiled in the military.

When I was a marskmanship instructor and wanted something changed, I did the paperwork, sent it up the chain, followed up on it, and got it signed off by the old man, and then implemented the change.

[RyonPro1]

Gunny, I've thought about that before. At different times I'm all for it and others I'm not sure. I know it probably would have done me good. I have a friend who went straight to college (he was also more prepared than me) and I think it was better for him to get started early.

I'm definately not against it totally.

Shawn

[taxman]

I get a kick out of some post around here, the whole sky is falling, doom, and gloom, man how did we ever make it 231 years the way we live with panic around every corner?

We made it because we have a few sheepdogs to fix it for us? :confused:

[George Klass]

I agree. Mandatory military (or government) service. And in fact, instead of screwing around trying to deport the illegals, arrest them and shove them into mandatory KP duty for two years. I always hated KP.

[Jeremy Glass]

I have a suggestion. Not a draft but mandatory military service. Seems to work for the Israeli's. Citizens seem to appreciate things there more.

Remember I said not a draft, but put it into law.

I get a kick out of some post around here, the whole sky is falling, doom, and gloom, man how did we ever make it 231 years the way we live with panic around every corner?

You know I always thought I was the paranoid type, but my goodness.


Vote, or run for office that simple if you want to make and see changes. I guess I was spoiled in the military.

When I was a marskmanship instructor and wanted something changed, I did the paperwork, sent it up the chain, followed up on it, and got it signed off by the old man, and then implemented the change.

Carl,

I thought you were against a draft because you wouldnt want people that didnt want to be in battle next to you?

[O.C White]

I am against a draft. Draft and mandatory service are two different. Mandatory they have to be there or go to jail. Not run off to Canada, or Mexico(i.e Sly Stallone, Bruce Springsteen) and then come back.

I am against a draft. Mandatory military service I am not.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

George, I agree.
I agree. Mandatory military (or government) service. And in fact, instead of screwing around trying to deport the illegals, arrest them and shove them into mandatory KP duty for two years. I always hated KP

If we learn anything out of this, and I doubt we will. We need to learn that cutting back on manpower and our military forces, equipment and requirements to serve, should be recognised as a huge bluder with both parties equally responsible.

Has anyone checked to see what the military strength of that little upstart Islamic Nation Iran has? They are not so small in military might and active military troops.

The US needs to again rebuild our nation's fighting forces and forget cutting them back again for budget ploys. Also every member of the US military from day one needs to be paid above a minimum wage and be financially compensated as they could be if a civillian in he same types of occupations. This has always sucked big time about the US Military until a person achieves a high rank, if ever.


Why have a superior air power if we seldom will use a fraction of the potential of it?

Ed

[Jeremy Glass]

I am against a draft. Draft and mandatory service are two different. Mandatory they have to be there or go to jail. Not run off to Canada, or Mexico(i.e Sly Stallone, Bruce Springsteen) and then come back.

I am against a draft. Mandatory military service I am not.

Wouldnt you end up with the same thing though? People who want to be there and people who dont?

[O.C White]

Wouldnt you end up with the same thing though? People who want to be there and people who dont?

I don't believe you would. How can I put this, hmmmmmm.

Okay see if this works. You have the mandatory 3 year service, you would have people coming out after their time served, and they would spread the word good or bad.

Draft, you have guys that are intentionally trying to get out of service, and nothing you can do about them. yeah they leave denounce their citizenship nothing you can do about it.

Mandatory service they can't denounce their citizenship, it's a reasonable law in my opinion, and you would always have a fresh military.

[Monty Mikho]

I'm a patriot. I'm an authority. I know this, I know that, bla bla bla.....

All these nations around us who hate us, while we help them are laughing all the way to the bank. Including Iran, Russia, Syria, China, N. Korea, France, Germany, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc..........

Why? Because we all parade how patriotic we are, how smart we are, all the while we give all these folks our money, goods, services. Then we say again how smart and great we are. And we give them more.

This nation is FINISHED. FINITO. There is no longer a foundation to hold it up. Just a bunch of different ethnics, all divided, coming to a boiling point here.

Ya'll can't live in the same space completely divided on core values.

It's good entertainment though.

Please form a single file line, trust me it's a shower, not an oven.

Nothing really matters.. It all means nothing in the overall picture.. God controls all.. Everyone quit their jobs and just sit at home till the big day comes because everything else doesnt matter... Blah Blah Blah...

[MagicRatt]

I'm all for the mandatory service..........hell, I would go now. Hey, Gunny, what are the chances Bush would call on 41 year old fat guys?? I can't run fast, but my trigger finger still works.......lol

Rich