Intel to build $2.5B Chip Plant in China

[nos351]

Wonder who gets those jobs?

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/news/international/bc.intel.china.investment.reut/index.htm

[purpleplymouth]

There's a big surprise!

[Maliboost]

thats a small Fab. TSMC has 8 or 10 fabs in Taiwan that are $4.5B EACH. everything is Stainless Steel, Oak & Marble.

Bob

[O.C White]

Why do you guys never complain about people like Oprah building a 5 billion dollar school in a foreign country, or Angelina Jolie adopting Vietnamese kids? What Oprah can't build a school here in the U.S or is that just okay with you guys? Angelina can't adopt an American kid or you guys just can't see past her lips? Don't answer that. :-D

I mean seriously, what about some of the other moral dilenma's going on around here?

[purpleplymouth]

I agree Gunny, it just that to me Oprah and the rest of the hollywood elitists don't have any real impact on the big picture. What they do is window dressing meant to make them look better. And the media laps up every juicy drop. Real issues concerning average americans just don't sell tabloids. No one cares that little suzie in nowhere USA goes to a school that can't teach her to read. They only care that suzie gets that abortion without her parents knowing about it.

[O.C White]

Please man do not mention abortion, I do not need another sermen on that. Not saying that to you but I don't need to hear how evil it is and what not. Going hungry is evil also but no one talks about that evil.

[purpleplymouth]

There ought to be a 2.5 billion tariff levied against intel.

[purpleplymouth]

Sorry Gunny, just trying to highlight one of the absudities of the public education system. I would much rather Oprah build a multimillion dollar homeless shelter and start a job training center for the disadvantaged in Chicago. "give a man a fish, and he can feed himself today, teach a man to fish and he can feed himself for life"

[O.C White]

Sorry Gunny, just trying to highlight one of the absudities of the public education system. I would much rather Oprah build a multimillion dollar homeless shelter and start a job training center for the disadvantaged in Chicago. "give a man a fish, and he can feed himself today, teach a man to fish and he can feed himself for life"

100% spot on.

[RyonPro1]

The only problem I see with that is complaining where "other" people "give" their money. At least she is giving. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if we worried a little less about Oprah, and gave some of our own time, we could make a difference. Giving is one of the most important things we can do for ourselves, but how many people give? Of course there is always some excuse, when I pay off the car, after we buy the prom dress, when the kids are out of the house. That is the best one yet. Don't do it while the kids are "in" the house and can learn the same habits, wait till they leave and then don't do it anyway.

If we can just get more people involved as a society, we can fix a lot of our local problems.

But if Oprah feels a calling to build a school in Africa, I'm all for it. It is her money and she earned it. Now, if she starts telling me what to do with my money, then I'll have a problem. Do we have problems here? Yes, absolutely. Do they compare, in any way, to the problems in Africa? I'm going to take a stab and say no. Am I going to help those in Africa? I have not yet, and feel ashamed about it. But I do help here as local as I can in the American Heart Assoc. and cancer societies. I haven't helped habitat for humanity or hundreds of others, but I am doing a little small part, with hopes that God willing,it will make a difference some day.

Shawn

edit: Giving can be time and/or money.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

At least she is giving. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if we worried a little less about Oprah, and gave some of our own time, we could make a difference. Giving is one of the most important things we can do for ourselves, but how many people give?

if Oprah feels a calling to build a school in Africa, I'm all for it. It is her money and she earned it

I haven't helped habitat for humanity or hundreds of others, but I am doing a little small part, with hopes that God willing,it will make a difference some day.

Shawn


Me too Shawn.
I don't have much to give or to share but I do my level best to give and to share of what little I do have. That is why I am even on these boards for the most part is for trying to be of help by the giving of knowledge from experiences and from at times doing it all wrong, so that others will not repeat my learning mistakes and maybe alble to benefit in some way from my life.

Some people get angry at me for my sharing of testimonies of some of the good news of the Gospel I sahre at times, but again, I am doing what I can to share and to give of what little I have.

My family doesn't care much for this, but years ago, well after my children were grown, I cut out giving and exchanging gifts with everyone for Christmas. I just got burned out with all the crap of giving and expecting.

Instead I drive around and find someone without a warm coat and give them a warm coat, I have already bought. I buy several sizes and I can take back what I don't get to give. I find beggers or bums who are on the street looking for handouts of money, to do with whatever they do, and I take them to a place to eat and I feed them by buying their food. Maybe it is only one good meal but it might be the only good meal they have had in a long time, and maybe will have for another long time. I dunno.

I have been accused of being a grinch or a scrooge, but I am not. I love to give. I love to give when the receiver of what I give appreciates it. I can not do or give much I am not well of financially but I do what little I can, and I do hope that maybe for one minute in somone's life I have brought something better.

Ed

[Shelton_Barrs]

Me too Shawn.
I don't have much to give or to share but I do my level best to give and to share of what little I do have. That is why I am even on these boards for the most part is for trying to be of help by the giving of knowledge from experiences and from at times doing it all wrong, so that others will not repeat my learning mistakes and maybe alble to benefit in some way from my life.

Some people get angry at me for my sharing of testimonies of some of the good news of the Gospel I sahre at times, but again, I am doing what I can to share and to give of what little I have.

My family doesn't care much for this, but years ago, well after my children were grown, I cut out giving and exchanging gifts with everyone for Christmas. I just got burned out with all the crap of giving and expecting.

Instead I drive around and find someone without a warm coat and give them a warm coat, I have already bought. I buy several sizes and I can take back what I don't get to give. I find beggers or bums who are on the street looking for handouts of money, to do with whatever they do, and I take them to a place to eat and I feed them by buying their food. Maybe it is only one good meal but it might be the only good meal they have had in a long time, and maybe will have for another long time. I dunno.

I have been accused of being a grinch or a scrooge, but I am not. I love to give. I love to give when the receiver of what I give appreciates it. I can not do or give much I am not well of financially but I do what little I can, and I do hope that maybe for one minute in somone's life I have brought something better.

Ed


I'm sure you have...

[O.C White]

Rhyno,

the problem I have with folks like Oprah, why not invest in American people? What's the difference with this Intel thing? It's their money right? I just have a problem when these big money guru's do not invest in their own people, and own people I mean American people.

[N2Ojunkie]

AMD

[Ed-vancedEngines]

I saw an interview on TV with Ted Turner and him giving away goodly portions of his riches.

In his words, He wants to attract media attention to his giving, not for the purpose of him as a great man but it is his desire to shame others with wealth like he has and had to pitch in and give to causes where the donations can make a real difference.

Very possibly that is also what Opra is doing too. By her giving she gets media coverages and she also gets Home Depot and many others to also pitch in and help. Without the media coverage the additional help would not be there.

Who knows why Opra decided to spend and to give overseas in Africa. She must have felt a burden or a hunger to rech out and do something to help those she helped. She does also do quite a lot in the US to help people too.

Maybe the ones who are rich and who do want to help in some way, might not know where to begin. Needs are so many and needs are so varied. No one can solve all the needs and just maybe the very few rich people that are caring are mentally torn in many directions of where to begin.

I looked initially at the Angelina Jole' world wide adopting and others who are rich and famous that do this as odd and I also looked at it that these kids they are adopting will not really know them as parents becuase they have so many adopted. Then a light went off inside my head and said. BUT All of these kids are now so much better off than they ever had any chnace at if they had not been adopted by the rich and famous.

So in summation. It is all good. They are at least doing something, wereas others could care less.

Ed

[RyonPro1]

Rhyno,

the problem I have with folks like Oprah, why not invest in American people? What's the difference with this Intel thing? It's their money right? I just have a problem when these big money guru's do not invest in their own people, and own people I mean American people.


I don't follow Oprah, but I think she may be a good example. She is giving by building some school(s) in Africa. I think that is great, because Africa is an untouched area and the people there deserve much more than they have. However, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Oprah does give to things back here on the old homestead. I guess this Africa thing is a current pet project and is getting a lot more attention.

Now, that being said. The problems facing us here at home are NOT going to be solved by a few rich folk putting the money in the right places. They WILL be solved, when everyone puts their shoulder in the harness and pulls it for a day. There is strength in numbers.

Now, as far as American companies moving things overseas. We have been losing production facilities for about 18 years now. It is disturbing to me because of one thing. We still don't get along with everyone. If this were truly a Global Economy I wouldn't mind the competition. As a matter of fact, I would encourage it. However, when we still have people out there that don't necessarily like us, or want us to be successful, I want to go the Victor Cagnazzi way of doing things and bring it ALL in house. If I don't have to rely on a possible enemy for parts for our military, then I don't think we should. Now, I also understand we can't just say that nothing leaves the country and bury our heads in the sand. I would hope that certain industries could talk a little more plain to the American people. If a company said they may have to raise prices temporarily so they can keep the manufacturing here at home then do you think the American people would make sure they go out and buy that particular product? I'm going to guess no. We are making this mess. And it will have to be us to fix it. Unfortunately, it is usually under the worst circumstances that we finally realize.

Think of it this way. If and when we are in a situation like WW2, and we as a country must unite and sacrifice to defend a common good, then maybe we will get it. But remember, we were not prepared when WW2 started either. There would be a need for new industries. Hmmm, if I position myself to be at the right place at the right time, I can start up my own version of Haliburton when the next "Big One" starts. Then when I make money on the american people's lack of vision, everyone can hate me and say that the gov't is only out to make me money because of private interests........... hmmmmm. I'm going to start saving my pennies.;)

Shawn

[purpleplymouth]

Anyone watch future weapons? Lots of innovative people still coming up with great solutions to problems. The trouble starts when greed trumps patroitism.

[Hammer59]

Gunny, you have a gub-mint job so it doesn't effect you.

[RyonPro1]

I saw an interview on TV with Ted Turner and him giving away goodly portions of his riches.

In his words, He wants to attract media attention to his giving, not for the purpose of him as a great man but it is his desire to shame others with wealth like he has and had to pitch in and give to causes where the donations can make a real difference.

Ed

You know Ed, it took me a while to figure out why I didn't like the idea of Warren Buffet giving his money to Bill Gates to give away. Actually, I never figured out why I didn't like it, it was someone else who said it that turned the light bulb on for me.

First, I appreciate him giving such a large sum of money to help others. I believe his heart is in the right place. But I think that his actions were a little "normal" for a lack of better words. People don't like to be bothered with stuff they are not interested in. And in this case, he just pawned off the money for someone else to give out. I think there is something to be said for getting out of the house and getting involved. If you see a problem, put on your work boots and/or bring your check book and lets go fix it or lets get a fix in place. Find something that you have a passion for, then go out and help. There is a great joy in feeling like you were a part of something greater than yourself. In doing the work and seeing some results.

The best example I have is, I have been helping others at school in mathematics. I have a great passion and a great interest in what all we can do and learn from playing around with numbers. Whenever I come up with a new way of explaining an idea or concept and can get it through to someone, I feel on top of the world! Not to mention that I tend to understand it a little better too, but to see that light go on in someones eye when they finally understand something that was giving them a hard time is a wonderful privaledge.

Shawn

[O.C White]

Gunny, you have a gub-mint job so it doesn't effect you.

I still care though Hammer. Invest in the homies(american folks) first everyone else second.

[Bluenoser]

I agree! Oprah is in Chicago, and can't be bothered to help out people in her own town. Nothing but a media whore.

And for the record, Jolie is a pig.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Carl,
I am an old Poor Boy, so no one has invested into me ever. So I am not talking out of the mouth of a rich person.

I may be wrong, but I think that Oprah either started the Habitat for Humanities Program or was involved financially with it. Of course I would love to hear of her giving more here at home. I love hearing when anyone does.

Has anyone spent any time with any of the street bums to hear them? It is too easy for people to say GO Get A JOB. These people, at least many of them would love to have a job. They can not get people to hire them or give them a chance. It is horrible about how many knowledgable and intelligent people are on the street and can not get any hope for any change or a job becuase they are not hireable. No Home address. No phone number. No way to get clean for work every day.

Someone needs to do something but what?

Big Business mergers and buy outs have put many of America's Working people in the poor house and out of their house into the streets.

At times I work part time helping a friend of mine that is a professional custom drapery installer. We work in these mansions, and rich people's houses and I see thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars these people waste on the most stupid things. BUT It is their money, thjey are allowed to spend it how they wish. Can you imagine how much those custom designer stuffed pillows caost that are piled on top of each other in their beds for only looks? I freaked out when I saw some price tags that accidently were not removed in a model house. Little pillows were costing from $400.00 to over $1,000 each and that bed had tons of pillows on it. That is just one example of in my opinion wasted money. To them it is necessary to make the bedroom look good. I am wrong in looking at things the way I do, but I see all the wealth squandered on useless stuff and think, that what if all the Millionairs in the Dallas area would just give 1% of their money to help others who have nothing.

Maybe that is why I am not supposed to be rich. I would end up giving most of it away.

Ed

[nos351]

Right here in central Florida we have a rich fellow doing what I think is great.
Basically he pledged to provide free preschool education for all 2-, 3- and 4-year-old children, and a college education for all high school graduates in Tangelo Park(Orlando).
here is the story

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/anamazingstoryofgivingthatcouldchangeourworld

[Hammer59]

I still care though Hammer. Invest in the homies(american folks) first everyone else second.

Right on Carl, I'm on the same page as you are.

[RyonPro1]

Right here in central Florida we have a rich fellow doing what I think is great.
Basically he pledged to provide free preschool education for all 2-, 3- and 4-year-old children, and a college education for all high school graduates in Tangelo Park(Orlando).
here is the story

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/anamazingstoryofgivingthatcouldchangeourworld

Thank you for this article!!! THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AWSOME!!!!!! Talk about getting involved. I mentioned earlier about how Warren Buffet is more detatched from his giving. Here is a quote from that article.

Rosen says charitable giving is much more rewarding when the donor gets personally involved.

"Government is just too dense, too stupid, too inept to do this," he says.

This is a wise man. God bless him. What he has done is not bitched about a problem, he took the reigns and is taking care of it himself. He didn't say "Thats not my job!" He said, "Here is a problem, and I'm going to try and do something about it." And it appears he is incredibly successful.

Thanks again for that article. That should be front page in the paper and leading the nightly news instead of Anna Nicole.

Shawn

[George Klass]

Wait a minute here. Anna Nicole is (was) the perfect capitalist. She found a problem (she didn't have any money) and then looked for and found a solution (married a rich old guy that was near death).

[Rick_R]

Carl,
I may be wrong, but I think that Oprah either started the Habitat for Humanities Program or was involved financially with it. ......

Ed
Habitat for Humanities has been around for a long time before Oprah. as a matter of fact one of its big "celebrity" sponsors has been "good ole Boy" Jimmy Carter. He has been involved with them for many years and helps financially, provides free labor, and him just showing up causes a media frenzy.
Habitat is truly a great program and a success.

[Shelton_Barrs]

Habitat for Humanities has been around for a long time before Oprah. as a matter of fact one of its big "celebrity" sponsors has been "good ole Boy" Jimmy Carter. He has been involved with them for many years and helps financially, provides free labor, and him just showing up causes a media frenzy.
Habitat is truly a great program and a success.

That is the only thing I can think of that causes me to have any repect at all for Jimmy Carter. His involvement with Habit for Humanities has helped a lot of people. Now if he would just keep his mouth shut about everything else...