Saudi Al queda wants to hit US oil suppliers

[nos351]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070214/pl_nm/qaeda_usa_oil_dc

[mhampton]

Its not a matter of if....but when. I have a funny feeling the next attack from those whackos is going to be ugly. Personally, I say nuke the whole desert over there and turn it into a solid sheet of glass.:smt097

[nos351]

In due time.....you know there will a nuclear exposion in the middle east at some point....now whether we do it or the Israeli's is a toss up.
My fear is one on US soil in a suitcase, guess Jack Bauer will have to save the day.

[mhampton]

Perhaps some Sintox gas in a suitcase?? You know if 24 actually hangs around for 7-8 seasons, they are going to run out of cities to threaten with some sort of weapon of mass destruction.

[nos351]

See thats another advantage of living in Florida, unless they do the deed right here, we usually dont have to worry about the wind blowning
that crap over us with the prevailing winds and ocean around us. People up north could have the chit happen out west and blow clean across the country.

[George Klass]

There's those names again, bin Laden and al Qaeda. And let's make sure we remember Saudi Arabia too, since that's where the 9/11 terrorists came from.

But what are we doing? Oh, we are mired down in Iraq, and have been for more than 4 years, a place that was not a threat to us and had neither bin Laden, al Qaeda or any militant Saudis. Good call pres Bush.

[nos351]

So which is it George, "Cut and run" or "Stay the course"?
Those are the only 2 choices....type yours please, and no fair
going politician with some bs. Again "Cut and Run" or "Stay the Course"
You choose.

[George Klass]

There is only a single choice. Pack-up, wave good-bye, and leave.

[O.C White]

Yep pack up, leave, blame the military. Do not blame the screwball civilians who say the military work for them..............right George? Isn't that the line you always use? The military serves the civilians who are in charge? Well since you fall in the category of civilian, I consider you just as much of a screwball, as the other wacko's in Washington DC.

[George Klass]

What do you mean, "blame the military"? This is not a military problem, this is a political problem. There is no better way to support those fighting in Iraq than to guarantee that no more of them die in the service of this administration's political miscalculation.

[O.C White]

Ah come on TC (turncoat) you know good and well the blame will fall directly in the laps of the people in uniform. Those responsible for this mess will be neatly, and quietly tucked away i.e L.Paul Bremer.

[George Klass]

I hope you are wrong Carl, I hope the blame falls where it should fall, on our so-called leadership in DC.

The military has done everything it was asked to do, or at least, everything it was ALLOWED to do.

[O.C White]

I hope you are wrong Carl, I hope the blame falls where it should fall, on our so-called leadership in DC..

Yeah but instead of the leadership in DC going with their gut instincts, they are listening to people like you George, and want to duck and cover, and bail. After all isn't that what Pelosi has been saying, "the American public spoke in November how they want to do thing's".

Only part of that problem, the American public like you George hasn't been to Iraq. Have you? Yes or no have you been to Iraq? So what gives you the right to say what will and won't work over there? What because the MSNBC said it? LA Times said it? How do you know what work's there and what doesn't?

[George Klass]

You don't need to stand on the railroad tracks in front of an approaching train to know that it is a stupid thing to do.

We have been in Iraq for four years, and IT AIN'T WORKING. The description of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Face it Carl, we were sold a bill of goods by Bush and his henchmen. We were told by Bush and Cheney four years ago that we were going to turn Iraq, a county that has been riven by religious and ethnic violence for centuries, into the equivelent of a Connecticut suburb, with town meetings, friendly neighbors, a common purpose and maybe a shopping mall or two, and the citizens of Iraq would be cheering and waiving American flags as we marched down Main St.

And Bush is still trying to sell that same old snake oil, only now the American citizens ain't buying.

[O.C White]

The description of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

The first time went to Fallujah was on a dare I am not afraid to admit that, the dare was answered, and the brass down in the Green Zone panic'd when they seen what 3 battalions of Marines could do. Also I am not very happy about the spot marked "X" either, but so be it.

Now mind you, after it was guranteed he was re-elected, the second assault kicked off into Fallujah, and went flawlessly because none of the politico's got in the way. The result from the 2nd assault was much different. It was allowed to be finished the 2nd time.

[Daren]

Its not a matter of if....but when. I have a funny feeling the next attack from those whackos is going to be ugly. Personally, I say nuke the whole desert over there and turn it into a solid sheet of glass.:smt097
Fuckin' right brother, if they could do it to us they would!

[Monty Mikho]

The only way we will invade Saudi Arabia is if Iraq plots 9/11.. Seems to be our way of thinking...

[Monty Mikho]

The only countries America will go to war with is ones that are weak.. Want proof? Didn't China laugh at us when they dropped our plane then threatened us with a nuclear attack? Hmmm wonder why people dont talk about that???

[O.C White]

The only countries America will go to war with is ones that are weak.. Want proof? Didn't China laugh at us when they dropped our plane then threatened us with a nuclear attack? Hmmm wonder why people dont talk about that???

I have heard about this so called nuclear attack. I was on deployment in 2000 when they supposedly threatened it. Turned out to be false intel. Oh wait a second 2000, hmmm wonder who the idiot in charge was then?

[Monty Mikho]

I have heard about this so called nuclear attack. I was on deployment in 2000 when they supposedly threatened it. Turned out to be false intel. Oh wait a second 2000, hmmm wonder who the idiot in charge was then?

false intelligence? Must have been the same people who thought Iraq had WMD and on the way to making the mother bomb eh? Bush must be using the same idiots?

[O.C White]

false intelligence? Must have been the same people who thought Iraq had WMD and on the way to making the mother bomb eh? Bush must be using the same idiots?


Yep he sure did use the same idiots until he find out they were not worth utters on a bull.

[Monty Mikho]

Yep he sure did use the same idiots until he find out they were not worth utters on a bull.

So you're saying that he found out that everything was bullshit but still "stayed the course"... Pretty sad to kill innocent people just so you dont look like ya made a mistake.. really sad.. Maybe this is why America is losing face with the rest of the world?

[Hammer59]

I have heard about this so called nuclear attack. I was on deployment in 2000 when they supposedly threatened it. Turned out to be false intel. Oh wait a second 2000, hmmm wonder who the idiot in charge was then?

They're all gawd damn idiots, And the biggest one could not even run a fuckin baseball team for gawds sake. An he's running the war?
Maybe we're the idiots for voting for him.

[nos351]

Maybe this is why America is losing face with the rest of the world?

And who would this be....a 2 bit socialist wanna be in Venuzuela and a Ayatollah
wanna be from Iran. Sorry that camel wont hunt.

[George Klass]

Ha ha, the Gunny must still think that the war in Iraq is Clinton's fault. In his mind, everything is Clinton's fault. Bush can do no wrong.

With all the things about this war that have happened, with all the political snafus that have hurt the military in Iraq, with all the ridiculous political decisions that have come out of Washington DC since 9/11, the Gunny has never said, not even once, that Bush has fucked things up, it's always Clinton's fault.

Shape up Gunny. It's not the "intel" that Bush recieved that was wrong, it's the lack of "intel" inside his head that is wrong. The man is a raving lunatic.

Here's a new word for you, something to look-up in Webster's. The word is "reality".

[Driven2xs]

I find it amazing that someone(George) who complains so much , and has all the answers, has never ran for any office. Must be great to be a worthless finger pointer. You'd make one HELL of a liberal, George!


OK Bushbashers, I have to pose a question for you to HONESTLY answer.


If YOU were President, and the COUNTRY wanted someones ass, besides Bin Laden, namely Al-Quaeda and the Taliban. What would YOU do?

Heres the FACTS...

Sandy Berger was stealing Intel. (Klinton's boi)
Tenant, the CIA director was giving us wrong info. (Klinton's boi)
All the Dems were FOR GOING TO WAR, as well as Repubs
Other Countries Intel was just as wrong as ours.... (Exclude WMD)
France, Germany and Russia were obstructing UN inspections, and were KNOWN to trade chemicals (used in the production of Sarin and Demex) for oil.
Saddam was pushing Euros for the trading standard (That would have put us in a Depression)
Saddam was funding Zarkawis terroist training camps in Northeastern Iraq
Saddam was giving rewards to terrorists.
Sadam had YET to comply with 10 year old UN Sanctions

Do you invade Somalia? Or do you go after the root of the problem?

And once you are there, do you LEAVE everything a dishevelled mess, or try to restore the area to a stable region? Remember, they have to make this Puppet APPEAR to be standing on their own for them to have the respect of their community.

Now think this out, because if you are wrong, there are 300 Million "experts" that will tell you you are all fucked up. But we say that about GK anyways...

[excelerater]

the F*in problem is we are too nice and too soft....
We should have blasted them in 1990 the first time around,then we said
(our wonderful president) that we would be tough and get er done this time around......
Well we did the same shit again,SOFT and now we have losses bigtime not to mention our economy is crap and were paying 3 bucks a gallon for fuel.......Auto makers are laying off huge and Oil company's are too blame,these oil company's will be the end of us,they bite off the hand that feeds them.

The bottom line,we made a deal with the devil,we went to war for Oil and so far we lost - these Arab pricks are gonna hit us again in their usual cowardly way and kick us back another 10 years ........ If it were Israel and these Arab smelly pricks KO one of there buildings Israel would have dropped a nuke,took over their country and owned billions of dollars in oil as a prize.They would have admitted it like"yea we nuked em,so" and ,not lied and been proud of their actions.
As we should have done but we lie,exaggerate the truth and keep everyone in the dark........

Its too bad more americans werent at WTC on 9/11,because if more people were there to see the mess
things would have been alot different, CNN's TV version doesnt really give you the true feel...
Smell,hear and see for your eyes what a plane crashing into a building is like,then talk to me brutha...
see people jumping out of windows because they are on fire,see Fireman and Police crushed trying
to save people they dont know........
Then see your great country turn thier backs on the people in need of care who did these rescues
GW cut off aid to the people and workers who were injured trying to save our own


should I go on ?

[O.C White]

Thank you Driven,

George has no clue what he is talking about, and Monty does it just to get a rise. He is just a bomb maker big friggin deal. Bomb is useless if you can't get it to the target, and that young 20 year old on the ground giving the coordinates to the pilot of that 14 million dollar jet with the 10 million dollar bomb, is the mastermind behind it all.

[O.C White]

They're all gawd damn idiots, And the biggest one could not even run a fuckin baseball team for gawds sake. An he's running the war?
Maybe we're the idiots for voting for him.

Welcome to Yellowbullet Hammer.

[Hammer59]

Welcome to Yellowbullet Hammer.

Hello O.C, Glad to talk with you again.

[cash4444]

Yep pack up, leave, blame the military. Do not blame the screwball civilians who say the military work for them..............right George? Isn't that the line you always use? The military serves the civilians who are in charge? Well since you fall in the category of civilian, I consider you just as much of a screwball, as the other wacko's in Washington DC.


I agree with the fact that the blame will come down on the boys over there. C'mon now....shit rolls down hill and good 'ol boy George is at the top. The sticky situation is the fact that there is alot of good going on over there. There are ALOT of locals over there happy we are there and thankful for it. The problem is that MSNBC and CNN and all the rest of the biased media will never show it. Why?? Good over there doesn't sell and get the raitings. ONLY the negative. Now on the other side of the coin so to speak, will all of this EVER stop? I have my dbouts. I think we as a country and a whole need to focus more on home first and not so much on the "world cop". There is enough poverty and corruption here in our streets that need to be taken care of before we concentrate fully on others.

My hat off to those over there serving and to those that have made it home safely. My heart to those who haven't.

[Monty Mikho]

Thank you Driven,

George has no clue what he is talking about, and Monty does it just to get a rise. He is just a bomb maker big friggin deal. Bomb is useless if you can't get it to the target, and that young 20 year old on the ground giving the coordinates to the pilot of that 14 million dollar jet with the 10 million dollar bomb, is the mastermind behind it all.

Hey Gunny.. this is the year 2007.. The bombs of today will hit the target 110% of the time.. But the bomb lands where you idiots tell it to land.. And 110% of the time when it doesn't hit the target.. its because you didn't give it the right area to hit.. If you can pay $250 for a GPS unit to get you within 3 feet of anyone's door.. Wouldn't ya think with today's technology we can get within 3 micron? :finga:

[Monty Mikho]

If war was about making peace and getting the bad guy... we would never fight a war.. but when there is money to be gained.. war is all we know (one of my favorite GWAR songs)

[O.C White]

Hey Gunny.. this is the year 2007.. The bombs of today will hit the target 110% of the time.. But the bomb lands where you idiots tell it to land.. And 110% of the time when it doesn't hit the target.. its because you didn't give it the right area to hit.. If you can pay $250 for a GPS unit to get you within 3 feet of anyone's door.. Wouldn't ya think with today's technology we can get within 3 micron? :finga:

110% of the time? hmmm that's 90% back to zero. I seriously dislike that expression anything over 100 percent is heading back to zero. Why not give 105 percent? 135%, why not any of those numbers.

Oh yeah hey Monty, us old school guy's you know the ones that can diagnose a person's shooting problem over the phone, we still use maps and a compass. A forgotten and lost art.

[Shelton_Barrs]

Hey Gunny.. this is the year 2007.. The bombs of today will hit the target 110% of the time.. But the bomb lands where you idiots tell it to land.. And 110% of the time when it doesn't hit the target.. its because you didn't give it the right area to hit.. If you can pay $250 for a GPS unit to get you within 3 feet of anyone's door.. Wouldn't ya think with today's technology we can get within 3 micron? :finga:

I work on high end electronic gear in communications every day...none of it is 100% all the time. If it can fail, it will fail, at the worst possible time.

[Monty Mikho]

110% of the time? hmmm that's 90% back to zero. I seriously dislike that expression anything over 100 percent is heading back to zero. Why not give 105 percent? 135%, why not any of those numbers.

Oh yeah hey Monty, us old school guy's you know the ones that can diagnose a person's shooting problem over the phone, we still use maps and a compass. A forgotten and lost art.


Well its actually 300% then.. There are 3 redundant mapping units within.. So if ya wanna get technical.. have at it...

Now ya just gotta show me how to shoot the phone and kill the person on the other end... :p

[Monty Mikho]

I work on high end electronic gear in communications every day...none of it is 100% all the time. If it can fail, it will fail, at the worst possible time.
There is no margin for error with weapons.. If your phone line goes dead.. Who dies?? most likely no one.. but if it was.. your quality control would be 1000 times what it is today... :p

[Shelton_Barrs]

There is no margin for error with weapons.. If your phone line goes dead.. Who dies?? most likely no one.. but if it was.. your quality control would be 1000 times what it is today... :p

Not talking just phone lines...work on a lot more than that. All of our equipment is required to work at a up rate of 99.999%. Everything I work on is fully redudant. We provide gear to major hospitals and lots of military bases and a large chunk of the goverment (in several countries). The main point being, that if it is electronic, no matter how good the quality control, it can and will fail. And, yes, I know for a fact, that people have died when our systems have failed.

[Monty Mikho]

Not talking just phone lines...work on a lot more than that. All of our equipment is required to work at a up rate of 99.999%. Everything I work on is fully redudant. We provide gear to major hospitals and lots of military bases and a large chunk of the goverment (in several countries). The main point being, that if it is electronic, no matter how good the quality control, it can and will fail. And, yes, I know for a fact, that people have died when our systems have failed.

It will an can fail.. Gunny makes it sound like there is a 50% success rate.. Remember.. 100 of thousands of planes take off everyday.. most are old and wore out.. but still the success rate is rather mind blowing.. Now if each plane was only built to fly one time.. how often would they fail? assuming there are a lot less planes..

[O.C White]

Monty,

you can twist, turn and spin this any way you want. All this redundacy is great until it starts to cancel out the primary function. If that so called smart bomb can't understand simple 10 digit grid coordinates, it can't be to friggin smart.

The arty guy's use simple 8 and 10 digit grid coordinates, and they do not have the problem you bomb dropper's and makers have, and they are 18 miles away from the target.

A pilot usually has eyes on and is "in the pop" before even drop's a bomb.

[Monty Mikho]

most the times its not the gun who kills people.. but rather I idiot holding it..