president bush's speach

[camro_kid]

did anyone watch the special report from the begning? i turned on the tv after finding out i had no class in college and it was half way in i believe, from what i can gather is that the us troups and the coalition are going to secure baghdad?

[George Klass]

I didn't hear the speech, but I'm glad to hear that we are going to secure Baghdad. I'm sure that this will be complete right about the same time that Paris Hilton graduates from Harvard and joins a convent.

[nos351]

from what i can gather is that the us troups and the coalition are going to secure baghdad?

Thats the plan, same one as 4 years ago.

[O.C White]

Didn't take 4 years to secure Fallujah. The former most dangerous city in Iraq.

[George Klass]

Carl, you keep talking about Fallujah as if that was the entire war in Iraq. It was a battle for sure, and the Marines took care of the problem (until the politicos pulled you off) but it was just one battle. It wasn't nor is it the war in Iraq. We can't just take a single assualt and say, "we won the war" anymore than the Japs can say "we won the war" after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Time to move on Carl. Time to step back and take a look at the entire mess over there with an open mind, FOR ONCE.

[O.C White]

Didn't take 4 years to secure Fallujah. How come I can't keep harping on it? Doesn't stop you kettle.

[O.C White]

Carl, you keep talking about Fallujah as if that was the entire war in Iraq. It was a battle for sure, and the Marines took care of the problem (until the politicos pulled you off) but it was just one battle. It wasn't nor is it the war in Iraq. We can't just take a single assualt and say, "we won the war" anymore than the Japs can say "we won the war" after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Time to move on Carl. Time to step back and take a look at the entire mess over there with an open mind, FOR ONCE.

Fallujah was a model of success plain and simple. Try opening your mind FOR ONCE. If they would follow that model of success for the other troublesome spots in Iraq you would not have this problem.

[George Klass]

When you say "they" Carl, are you saying the "military" or the "polititions" calling the shots?

[O.C White]

Both.

[qwiknotch]

Kill -em all and let God sort them out

[George Klass]

OK, but which God? Ours or Allah?

I did hear a clip of Bush's speech while I was driving home this afternoon. I heard him say the that Iranian government was selling weapons to Iraq. This is something that is clearly being disputed, even by our own generals.

I do know this for absolute fact however, and that is that OUR government, up until last month, was selling F-14 parts to the government of Iran. I wonder if that was part of his speech this morning? What a lunatic Bush is. What a hypocrite he is.

[Monty Mikho]

Didn't take 4 years to secure Fallujah. The former most dangerous city in Iraq.

How dangerous was the city before the US invaded?

[O.C White]

How dangerous was the city before the US invaded?

It was dangerous before we got there. Saddam avoided the place like the plague, and it was Sunni country.

[Monty Mikho]

It was dangerous before we got there. Saddam avoided the place like the plague, and it was Sunni country.

More dangerous than Detroit? Think before you answer...

[O.C White]

We ain't talking about friggin Detroit Baby-wipe, we are talking about Fallujah. I am here in the states and do not care what happens in Detroit. I haven't bought a new car in 7 years.

[Shelton_Barrs]

Except for the obvious Constitutional issues I wouldn't object to sending Marines into Detroit...or New Orleans or L.A. or almost every other major city to do a little clean up work. And I'm sure Fallujah was a regular freaking Utopia before we showed up...

[Monty Mikho]

We ain't talking about friggin Detroit Baby-wipe, we are talking about Fallujah. I am here in the states and do not care what happens in Detroit. I haven't bought a new car in 7 years.

Now I see why you like Bush so much.. Phuck your people and worry about other people.. or is it OIL <<< Operation Iraqi Liberation... :finga:

[Monty Mikho]

Except for the obvious Constitutional issues I wouldn't object to sending Marines into Detroit...or New Orleans or L.A. or almost every other major city to do a little clean up work. And I'm sure Fallujah was a regular freaking Utopia before we showed up...

I dont believe it was a "utopia".. But it was better off than Detroit.. So we should tell others how to live when some of our own towns triple the death rate eh? Kinda like the crack head family who tells the neighbors not to smoke because its bad for them....

[O.C White]

Maybe some of those neighbors need to start opening their cakehole as well as you do, and start pointing out the evil doers there in Detroit. I am willing to bet 1/3 of those murders are witnessed up there, and people just like in Iraq are to scared to say anything.

[Monty Mikho]

Maybe some of those neighbors need to start opening their cakehole as well as you do, and start pointing out the evil doers there in Detroit. I am willing to bet 1/3 of those murders are witnessed up there, and people just like in Iraq are to scared to say anything.

Its no secrete Detroit usually leads the country in murders.. or is this breaking news to you? When your lawn at your house is higher than anyone elses.. you should probably consider cutting your own lawn rather than worrying about everyone lawn..

[O.C White]

So you want Marines in Detroit Monty? Heck that would be worth coming back in to me. Can we bring air and arty with us?

[Mike Tritle]

Gotcha beat, Gunny. Ain't bought a new car since 88. My first (of only 3) new car is the one in the avatar.

[Monty Mikho]

So you want Marines in Detroit Monty? Heck that would be worth coming back in to me. Can we bring air and arty with us?

Yeah just what we need.. Some Marines in Detroit.. Can I expect the same performance as I see in Iraq? :smt082

[O.C White]

Yeah just what we need.. Some Marines in Detroit.. Can I expect the same performance as I see in Iraq? :smt082

We're in Fallujah and Ramadi not Baghdad. Don't hear very much about those places do you?

[Monty Mikho]

We're in Fallujah and Ramadi not Baghdad. Don't hear very much about those places do you?

Yeah never heard of them or about them ever!! You ever hear of this place called Ohio... It's part of the United States I understand... :smt081

[O.C White]

YAWN.

[O.C White]

Yeah never heard of them or about them ever!! You ever hear of this place called Ohio... It's part of the United States I understand... :smt081

So let me make sure I am speaking the same gibberish as you. You want American Forces walking the street's of America?

They have this law called Posse Comatus that prohibit's that unless specifically ordered by you know who.

The last President to issue that order was GB I. LAPD will never invite us back........pity.

[Monty Mikho]

Carl I noticed when you are trapped in a corner with someone who can go head to head with you.. you use this "YAWN" thing.. I went by Hill Air Force Base today.. and wouldn't ya know it... They have civilians do all the heavy repair work... Why is that? The military personal can't hang?

[Monty Mikho]

So let me make sure I am speaking the same gibberish as you. You want American Forces walking the street's of America?

They have this law called Posse Comatus that prohibit's that unless specifically ordered by you know who.

The last President to issue that order was GB I. LAPD will never invite us back........pity.

The last time I checked wars cost money... The last I checked most crimes happen is lower income/no income neighborhoods... Maybe some of that money we spend overseas can be better utilized at home. But yet the US is going to shit while we keep spending billions on other countries....

[O.C White]

Monty the reason for "YAWN" you are boring. You don't make any sense and you change the subject so much it is hard to keep up with. That is why you are boring.

Next question?

You say the U.S is going to crap? Then maybe we need to stop some of these lotto's in every state, and all these Powerballs for 100 million dollars.

Hmmm 50 states at least half have lotto's I wonder how much money could that save?

Hmmm country going to crap again huh? Funny I went to Pomona and went over to where the Super Gas/Comp cars were and it is funny the money they have in those cars to run 8.90's but the country is going broke?

Monty go sit in the corner and pound your pud some more and make up your mind which side of the isle you are on.

Bring your game face March 4th. I won't even tune up before you get here. I will prove my superiority.

[Monty Mikho]

Monty the reason for "YAWN" you are boring. You don't make any sense and you change the subject so much it is hard to keep up with. That is why you are boring.

Next question?

You say the U.S is going to crap? Then maybe we need to stop some of these lotto's in every state, and all these Powerballs for 100 million dollars.

Hmmm 50 states at least half have lotto's I wonder how much money could that save?

Hmmm country going to crap again huh? Funny I went to Pomona and went over to where the Super Gas/Comp cars were and it is funny the money they have in those cars to run 8.90's but the country is going broke?

Monty go sit in the corner and pound your pud some more and make up your mind which side of the isle you are on.

Bring your game face March 4th. I won't even tune up before you get here. I will prove my superiority.

Carl how much of that money you see floating around is actually money they earned compared to money that is borrowed from the banks? 2nd 3rd and 4th mortgage loans make someone appear to be rich with all the toys.. but in reality they dont have much but monthly bills.. Anyway that was not my point on the country going to shit!!! Just because a country has money doesnt make it the greatest!! And would you please make up your mind!! You talk about Clinton and NAFTA but on the other hand you talk about how much money everyone has!! How is it most our jobs are going overseas but yet everyone has money? Dont think hard!!! Its called banks and 30 year loans..

[Rick_R]

How about the new initiative to secure the borders from syria AND iran. What a laugh, You Yankees can't even secure your own bordee from the mexicans. LOL

[George Klass]

Here's a question. Let's suppose that the US was not in Iraq at the moment, that it was just the Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds and whoever else is rummaging around over there right now. Saddam is gone and the religious sects are waring with each other like they have always done, going throught their so-called civil war. Now, here is my question. How long would it take before someone, a dictator or whoever, would be able to take over control of Iraq, become the "Iraqi leader", establish his own political party, and secure and stablaize the land, for better or worse than Saddam did? would it take 6 months? A year? Two years? How long?

The reason that I ask this question is because eventually, after we leave or while we are still there, that has to happen. With the religious sects constantly at war, a "democracy" like we think of one, is not in the cards. The ONLY thing that we (the USA) can possibly do in Iraq is to line up and support one of the religious sects over the others. This will NEVER bring piece to the region, NEVER. Saddam had "peace" only because he was able to control the other sects by force. Ultimately, this has to happen again at some point. One side or the other has to win out and control the other sides, and it will still be by force.

One way or another, this will happen.

All we are doing by being in Iraq right now is delaying the inevitable, in my opinion. The Iraqis themselves are going to decide for themselves who and how Iraq is to be led and in the end, it will be led by a dictator. Our only hope is that whoever the dictator is, we are at least on speaking terms like we are with some of the other dictators in the middle east region.

So, in my opinion, the sooner that the US gets out of Iraq, lock, stock and barrel, the sooner Iraq will be able to go through their shit, go through their own blood letting, go through their own civil war, and get back to being the same Iraq of old, another country run by a another dictator, of which there are many on this planet. The day we get the fuck out is the day that this can start.

[nos351]

If the surge doesnt work, Iraq will most likely be divided into 3 seperate states. There will be blood letting, but I dont think the major players in the area will let one side win over the other. So most likely you would see a Kurdish part, Sunni part and Shite part. The western Sunni part would most likely be annexed into Jordan.

[Mike Tritle]

And what if that dictator turns out to be someone like the Iran crazy with nuke capability "Mymood Iminajihad" taking over the region, then Afghanistan, then...

Reports from our troops on the ground are that good things are happening and we ARE winning slowly but surely over there. They are also Pi$$ed at the mainstream media because they only report problems, never successes. BTW, my prime news source is my son who has been over there twice.

Now is the time we should be preparing to eliminate our need for oil imports from that area of the world (along with Venezuela) and THEN if we still need to withdraw, go for it.

Before you say it, if we were over there strictly for oil, why is the oil revenue not paying the bill for our involvement? I think we're there for re-establishment of basic human rights. The Iraqi goverment currently in place can and should perform the same function as a dictator. That is, send any lawbreaker regardless of sect to the land of 70 virgins. One does not have to be a Sadam Hussein to perform that function of retaliation for civil disobedience.

However, if the politicians would just let our troops do their jobs, we could win this thing. Bottom line is, religious or not, terrorists must be put down.

[RyonPro1]

I have a question for you guys.

Play pretend for a moment. WHAT IF we had a new energy source available and we were not in need of oil. After all, this is a big game of energy right? Iran wants nuclear energy but is sitting on a ocean of oil. They have energy, why do they need nukes, oops, I mean nuclear energy? OK back to the story, if we were not in need of their oil, would the terrorists be more or less powerful? If we don't need them, they don't get as much attention. Many of the money supplies dry up, not all of course. Would they fall by the wayside? Or would they lash out? Many believe we are over there because of oil. OK, so what happens if why we are over there is taken away? Make up whatever you want. We are getting energy from 'water' now. We don't need their oil, what happens next?
Just curious,

Shawn

[George Klass]

Don't worry Shawn, the government will make sure that we are ALWAYS dependent on oil, and that there will never be a reasonble alternative. There's too much money involved and when money is involved, the oil companys have it and the polititions will get some of it, either under the table in the form of campaign funds or above the table in the form of stock ownership.

[O.C White]

Carl how much of that money you see floating around is actually money they earned compared to money that is borrowed from the banks? 2nd 3rd and 4th mortgage loans make someone appear to be rich with all the toys.. but in reality they dont have much but monthly bills.. Anyway that was not my point on the country going to shit!!! Just because a country has money doesnt make it the greatest!! And would you please make up your mind!! You talk about Clinton and NAFTA but on the other hand you talk about how much money everyone has!! How is it most our jobs are going overseas but yet everyone has money? Dont think hard!!! Its called banks and 30 year loans..

Monty,

I ain't the one whining about money here in the country..................you are. You brought it up, you need to check your post. Long as I am not broke, so be it. I worry about myself first. If I am all screwed up then who am I to tell someone how to get their life together?

That's the problem, no one wants to worry about their yard, they want someone to clean it up for them.

[O.C White]

BTW, my prime news source is my son who has been over there twice.

Oh don't worry Mike, George or Monty will come on here with some hogwash about your son not knowing what was going on over there, and he didn't see anything, or some other baloney they think of in their limited thinking capacity.

[George Klass]

Carl, don't talk like a moron. Being in the military in Iraq doesn't give anyone anymore insight as to what is going on in that country than being in the military here in the states gives anyone any insight as to what is going on over here in this country. People only know what they can see with their own eyes (about a couple 100 yards in any direction) and beyond that, they know only what they are told.

Time to grow up Carl and start using your brains.

[O.C White]

George, don't talk like a moron.

Time to grow up George and start using your brains.

Thought I would fix it for you.

[O.C White]

Carl, don't talk like a moron. Being in the military in Iraq doesn't give anyone anymore insight as to what is going on in that country than being in the military here in the states gives anyone any insight as to what is going on over here in this country. People only know what they can see with their own eyes (about a couple 100 yards in any direction) and beyond that, they know only what they are told.

Time to grow up Carl and start using your brains.

See what I am saying Mike? Just like clockwork.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

Originally Posted by George Klass
Carl, don't talk like a moron. Being in the military in Iraq doesn't give anyone anymore insight as to what is going on in that country than being in the military here in the states gives anyone any insight as to what is going on over here in this country. People only know what they can see with their own eyes (about a couple 100 yards in any direction) and beyond that, they know only what they are told.

Time to grow up Carl and start using your brains.


George,
What you are saying is partially correct, but I am kida guessing that the men and the women who carry the Banner of the USA and fight under our flag who are there and on the ground, up close and personal just might be getting a better view of what is taking place than either you, our POLUTIONS (members of the house and senate) , or myself can ever see or know.

There is just something about an experience that makes you more of an authority then others who have never experienced anything but still know all about it.

Ed

[George Klass]

Well Ed, I know what you mean about the first hand experience. But let's face it, knowing only what we know about what's happening where we are is not the whole picture, especially if we are talking about "what is happeneing in Iraq." I was in the military, and even though I knew what was going on with my unit at Ft. Ord, CA, I didn't know what was going on with some other unit over the next hill, or in Ft. Leavenworth, KS or in Ft. Benning, GA.

Carl is one of the few that knew what was going on everywhere in Iraq. While he was in Fallooooojah, he was getting direct minute by minute reports from Baghdad and from the Camel Depots all over the country, including reports not just from the Marine units, but from the Army, Navy, Air Force, the Pentagon in Washington DC, London, England, the CIA, FBI, LAPD, Fun Ford Weekend, you name it and Carl knew about it. Rumy had Carls number on speed dial.

[O.C White]

Well Ed, I know what you mean about the first hand experience. But let's face it, knowing only what we know about what's happening where we are is not the whole picture, especially if we are talking about "what is happeneing in Iraq." I was in the military, and even though I knew what was going on with my unit at Ft. Ord, CA, I didn't know what was going on with some other unit over the next hill, or in Ft. Leavenworth, KS or in Ft. Benning, GA.

Carl is one of the few that knew what was going on everywhere in Iraq. While he was in Fallooooojah, he was getting direct minute by minute reports from Baghdad and from the Camel Depots all over the country, including reports not just from the Marine units, but from the Army, Navy, Air Force, the Pentagon in Washington DC, London, England, the CIA, FBI, LAPD, Fun Ford Weekend, you name it and Carl knew about it. Rumy had Carls number on speed dial.

George,

you are just mad and upset you never had the chance to see if you could pass the ultimate test of a military unit.

Ed he took the test and passed, Rob Hightower he took the test and passed, I took the test and passed. You you skipped the exam, and you want to be took serious talking about combat? Sorry you flunk the test and you didn't even have to show up for it.

Get over it.

[George Klass]

Well Gunny, they weren't giving "the test" when I was in the Army or I would have taken it, LOL. On the other hand, they were "giving the test" when your idol was in the service, and he figured out how to avoid taking it.

[Mike Tritle]

Carl, don't talk like a moron. Being in the military in Iraq doesn't give anyone anymore insight as to what is going on in that country than being in the military here in the states gives anyone any insight as to what is going on over here in this country. People only know what they can see with their own eyes (about a couple 100 yards in any direction) and beyond that, they know only what they are told.

Time to grow up Carl and start using your brains.

Well, excuse me, George, but I will put far more stock in someone working first hand with the natives than some liberal reporter for the NYT writing his bias into a fictional report of what he or she WANTS us to think is going on. Walter Cronkite turned the population against the Viet Nam war with one broadcast.

Why do so many Americans blame America for every problem this world has? This is the most productive, free and prosperous country in the world. Why do you suppose that is? I think its in spite of the ultra liberal SOBs that would like nothing better than to see us shamed in yet another attempt to put down the animals that only want to take over the world for thier own power. It ain't us, folks! No, we're far from perfect but that is because we're human. We will probably never ever solve the problem entirely because human nature bends toward the evil side. Common sense and history have both proven time and time again that freedom and democracy produce results and longevity. Look at every free country not taken over by secular progressive ways and you will see a long and prosperous history. Look at every dictatorship be it Communist or Muslim and you see constant strife and regime changes along with discontented unproductive populace.

If the trend toward the left continues, Katie bar the door, we will be swirling in the bowl.

If you would prefer we fight the terrorists here, just go ahead and let the middle east fall. If that happens I will be cleaning my guns and restocking the ammo drawer.

The American Civil War had problems, WWI had problems, WWII had far reaching problems as did our efforts in Korea and obviously Viet Nam. Until the last one when the crybabies won out, we rallied behind the country and kicked some serious A$$ to victory. There is a price for freedom.

One more thing. Freedom does not give anyone or everyone the right to do as they please. That is license. Freedom charges us with the responsibility to do what is right.

That's enough, I have work to do.

[O.C White]

Awesome post Mike.

Someone said it the other night on one of the news channel's. Yes you have freedom of speech, but what comes with that freedom of speech is responsibility.

Awesome give your boy my best.

[George Klass]

Well Mike, you are welcome to your opinions and I am welcome to mine.

[O.C White]

Well Mike, you are welcome to your opinions and I am welcome to mine.

Mike,

this is George's way of saying "you got the best of me with that, do not slap me around like that again please if you do not mind"

But that's just my opinion. :-D

[George Klass]

Sorry Gunny, my fault. I didn't realize that posting on this website was a contest. I was under the impression that we were just posting our opinions. Mike has his, you have yours, and I have mine. None are wrong. All are just opinions. "opin-ion", a belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge - Webster's

This is followed in the dictionary with "opi-um", an addictive drug that is the dried juice of a poppy.

[Ed-vancedEngines]

George,
I think that a lot of the words and opinions you post are not your real and honest opinions. I think that you like to play the role of Antagonist at times just to keep us thinking.

I do pride myself at trying to keep an open mind toward most people and most things, but do admit to a biased lean when my personal experiences show me a stronger direction.

I know that what we have in Iraq is not just like in Vietnam but to me I do see many similarities. When I was in Vietnam ocassionally we did get to watch TV and we saw the protests and the draft dodgers and college deferred rich kids, (Same thing to us) That were protesting what we were in Vietnam about and protests about American Soldiers dying and getting injured in the war that was not a war.

That made us mad and hurt our feelings to see those protests. IN later years I saw in documentaries interviews with x-leaders of N' Vietnam's military and I saw them say that the Americans protesting their government's allowing the US Troops to be and to stay in Vietnam gave them fresh energy and more will to keep fighting against us.

I did not like President Johnson, but President Nixon is the one who listened to the voices of the protestors and our leaders in both houses listened to the protestors, and the big push came for us to abandon and retreat. The President and all of our leaders did what the majority of the people wanted and it was wrong.

They listened to the voices of constituents and did not hear the voices of the blood pouring up from those who gave their lives or the voices of us who were injured, or the commanders there in Vietnam on the ground. They obeyed the people's desires and that is what resulted in a huge insult to Us who were there and had given all we had. I vividly remember being at home sitting and watching the retreat on the news and helicopters being just pushed into the ocean and tanks just pushed into the ocean, becuase we were leaving nothing behind. WE left it all behind and buried it in the oceans so it could not be used. We left our American Fighting Pride there too. We left it all, just like we are about to do in Iraq.

We left it all behind. we left our integrity, our sacrifies of blood and of lives and our time. It was all just an unwanted waste. Everything we did. All of our blood together. Thousands of lives, over 50,000 American's was just a waste.

No one can possibly feel what I felt then. No one can possibly feel what I feel about that even now. That is no one except all of the thousands of others just like me who knew we could have won.

Don't think for a second that a lot of the protesting and voices against our government are not begun by the enemy within.

This does not mean that an American Citizen who loves his or her country is any less of a patriot in their heart then i, IF THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH ME OR FEEL THE SAME AS i DO ABOUT SOME THINGS. sorry caps lock on.

Ed

[George Klass]

Ed, I value your posts, as I value posts by Mike, Carl, Jimmy and all the rest. I'm sure that there are many who read our opinions and choose not to post as is their privelege. I kind of wish that they would however. But, like my opinions about voting, not posting is OK too. We are very fortunate in many ways. We are fortunate to have a message board like YB where we can feel free to post stuff like this, and get away with it. We could not post most of our stuff as "letters to the editors" in the local newspapers, too "offensive" for the masses, too non-politically correct.

I do actually believe in the stuff I post, my opinions I mean. I have no first hand knowledge or insider information of course, just my own personal beliefs. And you are right in that I do like to "needle" people to the extent possible. Not so much to get them to believe anything I say (I'm full of shit, we all know that), but to get them to at least look at their own beleifs a little more closely. The vast majority of people think that whatever they believe is "the truth and the facts" and if anyone beleves any differently than them, why those people are just wrong. Very few people are ever willing to change their minds about anything. I like to say, "change your mind, change your life", but I rarely do it myself. I hardly ever take my own advice, and I used to be a trainer in an organization that specialized in this kind of doo doo. I used to stand up in front of 200 people and tell them that their lives were fucked up, which was OK, but stop trying to blame somebody else for it. GET ACCOUNTABLE. Carl knows what's coming next, "there are no victims, just volunteers", LOL.


Ed, you and I have some important differences. You mentioned how hard it was for you to accept it when the president at the time (Nixon?) "obeyed the peoples desires" I think was how you put it. From your perspective being in country, I can most certailny understand that. But my interpretation of the Constitution is that the president is elected by the people to do the peoples bidding so to speak. He is not in power to just "run with the ball" wherever he wants to run. He is supposed to represent the "will of the people" and in that respect, when he doesn't have that will, it's his fault more than the people's fault. I realize that you and I don't concur with that philosophy but so be it. You are not wrong with believing the way you do, nor am I. Our beliefs are neither right or wrong, they are just what we believe.

As you know, I have no issues with putting out what I believe. I'm sure that there are many on this board who think I'm an idiot (which is of course, basically true) and I am also sure that I would be better off "politically" if I kept my mouth shut. But I'm too old and too stubborn.

From what I can tell, there is not a single member on this board that has posted that I do not consider a friend. I would drink with any of you, break bread with you too. All of you are very important to me,...... with the possible exception of Carl of course.

[Shelton_Barrs]

Mike, Ed and George,

Those are some pretty good posts (even the parts I disagree with)...And as much as I sometimes disagree with some of us here I would glady kick back and discuss all of this over our individual beverages of choice...I really enjoy coming here to read and post , this board is a major stress reliever for me.

[Mike Tritle]

Since it's only 14 degrees here with 2" of freezy skid stuff in the forecast, let's make it at your place, Shelton!

MGD will do just fine for me...

[Shelton_Barrs]

Since it's only 14 degrees here with 2" of freezy skid stuff in the forecast, let's make it at your place, Shelton!

MGD will do just fine for me...

Think we need to go check out Carl and George in Cali....it's 21* here and falling but at least I don't have the snow to deal with...

[George Klass]

I know this will piss you off, but tomorrow is a beach day for me. A little picnic is in the plans.

[Mike Tritle]

82 and Sunny for tomorrow according to weather.com

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USCA1179?from=search_current

We're on our way!