WD40

[ERV JR]

anyone use it on lures or baits, I had 2 guys tell me it really works but its illegal

[nophonypony77]

anyone use it on lures or baits, I had 2 guys tell me it really works but its illegal


i have used it for about two years now. I am not much of a fisherman but i like to go on a wreck trips for ling and seabass and i also go stripper fishing and works like a charm. I dont know if it is illeagal in NJ But i should look on the Division of fish and game to see if it is illeagal in NJ. If so I will stop doing it.

[Gary L.]

Going fishing Anthony???? I've heard guys doing that for catfish. Don't know if it's illegal or not though. Hey, try it and let us know.... :-D

[DOLLARBILL]

i use it when i trying for cat fish

[Bad78Cutlass]

i use it when i trying for cat fish

lol. We heard it works good.

[Randy Warr]

HUUUUMMMM lets see intentionally putting oil into the water, even if it worked to catch a fish what about the ones it may kill? of course its illegal, use some skills and or a biodegradable purpose built attractant that will more in likely work way better! Just Say'n !!! :smt102



Main ingredients for WD-40, from the material safety data sheet, are:

* 50%: Stoddard solvent (mineral spirits, somewhat similar to, but not the same as, kerosene)
* 25%: Liquefied petroleum gas (presumably as a propellant, carbon dioxide is used now to reduce considerable flammability)
* 15+%: Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
* 10-%: Inert ingredients

[Crow383]

I've used it in the fall/early winter but only only on the tip of my rod to keep the water from freezing in the eyes. Don't put it on your lures.

[Bubstr]

It will take the stink off your fingers when using cat fish dip bait. Anything that causes an oil slick can't be good for the water. WD40 is a water displacing lubricant. The 40th formula they tried. Great for keeping your reels working with ice forming. While it seems to clean a gun, it does leave a build up after a while, that is very hard to remove.

[JUNKMAN1]

It works

[baflstangobx]

WD-40


A lady got up very early one morning and went outside to pickup the Sunday paper, she noticed someone had sprayed red paint all around the sides of the neighbors brand new beige truck.
She went over and woke him up and gave him the bad news. He was, of course extremely upset.
And they stood there trying to figure out what could be done about the problem. They decided there wasn't much recourse but to wait until Monday, since nothing was open.
Just then another neighbor came out of his house, surveyed the situation and immediately went to get his WD-40 out and cleaned the red paint off with it.
Guess What! It cleaned up that paint without harming the original paint on the truck! I'm impressed!!

Water Displacement #40. The product began from a search for A rust preventative solvent and de greaser to protect Missile parts. WD-40 was created in 1953 by three T echnicians at t he San Diego Rocket Chemical Company.
Its name comes from the project that was to find a
'water displacement' compound.
They were successful with the fortieth formulation, thus WD-40. The Corvair Company bought it in bulk to protect their atlas missile parts.

Ken East (one of the original founders) says there is nothing in WD-40 that would hurt you...'
IT IS MADE FROM FISH OIL' .
When you read the 'shower door' part, try it. It's the first thing that has ever cleaned that spotty shower door.
If yours is plastic, it works just as well as glass. It is a miracle!
Then try it on your stovetop... It is now shinier than it has ever been before.

1) Protects silver from tarnishing.
2) Removes road tar and grime from cars.
3) Cleans and lubricates guitar strings.
4) Gives floors that `just-waxed` sheen without making it slippery.
5) Keeps flies off cows.
6) Restores and cleans chalkboards.
7 ) Removes lipstick stains.
8) Loosens stubborn zippers.
9) Untangles jewelry chains.
10) Removes stains from stainless steel sinks.
11) Removes dirt and grime from the barbecue grill.
12) Keeps ceramic/terra cotta garden pots from oxidizing.
13) Removes tomato stains from clothing.
14) Keeps glass shower doors free of water spots.
15) Camouflages scratches in ceramic and marble floors.
16) Keeps scissors working smoothly.
17) Lubricates noisy door hinges on vehicles and doors in homes
18) It removes black scuff m arks from the kitchen floor! Open some windows if you have a lot of marks.
19) Bug guts will eat away the finish on your car.
removed quickly, with WD-40!
20) Gives a children's play gym slide a shine for a super fast slide.
21) Lubricates gear shift on lawn mowers.
22) Rids kids rocking chairs and swings of squeaky noises.
23) Lubricates tracks in sticking home windows and makes them easier to open.
24) Spraying an umbrella stem makes it easier to open and close.
25) Restores and cleans padded leather dashboards in vehicles, well as vinyl bumpers.
26) Restores and cleans roof racks on vehicles.
27) Lubricates and stops squeaks in electric fans.
28) Lubricates wheel sprockets on tricycles, wagons, and bicycles for easy handling.
29) Lubricates fan belts on washers and dryers and keeps them running smoothly.
30) Keeps rust from forming on saws and saw blades, and other tools.
31) Removes splattered grease on stove.
32) Keeps bathroom mirror from fogging.
33) Lubricates prosthetic limbs.
34) Keeps pigeons off the balcony (they hate the smell).
35) Removes all traces of duct tape.
36) Folks even spray it on their arms, hands, and knees to relieve arthritis pain
37) Florida's favorite use 'Cleans and removes love bugs from grills and bumpers.'
38) Protects the Statue of Liberty from the elements.
39) WD-40 attracts fish. Spray a LITTLE on live bait or lures and you will be catching the big one in no time.
40) Ant bites. It takes the sting away immediately and stops the itch.
41) WD-40 is great for removing crayon from walls. Spray on the mark and wipe with a clean rag.
42) If you've washed and dried a tube of lipstick with a load of laundry, saturate the lipstick spots with WD-40 and Presto! Lipstick is gone!
43) If you spray WD-40 on the distributor cap, it will displace the moisture and allow the car to start.

Keep a can of WD-40 in your kitchen cabinet. It is good for oven burns or any other type of
burn. It takes the burned feeling away and heals with NO scarring.
Remember, the basic ingredient is FISH OIL.

[Rodz]

I've used it in the fall/early winter but only only on the tip of my rod to keep the water from freezing in the eyes. Don't put it on your lures.

Some claim they catch more fish with a wd40 sprayed lure than a clean one. I've heard stories about this since the stuff first came on the market. I haven't tried it yet, but I think I will next time out.

How to Catch More Fish Using WD-40 to Attract Them

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Everyone who likes to fish is always looking for another way to increase the bite to enable them to catch more fish and hopefully larger fish as well. A little known urban legend is that WD-40 contains fish oil. If it does it would make it a terrific fish attractant. It is also cheaper than using other chemical attractants that are available on the market today. The company that makes WD-40 has safeguarded the formula since it was invented and denies that it contains fish oil. WD-40 was developed in 1953 by technicians at the San Diego Rocket Chemical Company who were searching for a rust preventative solvent and degreaser to protect missile parts. The name comes from the formulation “Water Displacement” (WD) and they were successful with the 40th formulation, thus the name WD-40. Try some the next time you go out fishing (http://www.ehow.com/how_5097372_catch-fish-using-wd-attract.html#) and see if the results prove the urban legend true. The most you have to lose is that your lures will be lubricated and resist rust.




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Instructions

Things You'll Need:

<LI itxtvisited="1">WD-40 <LI itxtvisited="1">Fishing lures or live bait <LI itxtvisited="1">Fishing rod and reel
Fishing tackle

<LI itxtvisited="1">Step 1
Set up your fishing tackle as you would normally and decide if you are using live bait or artificial lures.
<LI itxtvisited="1">Step 2
Spray a small amount on the live bait or lures and then fish as normal. As an additional benefit spraying lures polishes and helps keep them corrosion free. You can also lubricate your fishing reel knobs and internal reel parts.
Step 3
Some states do not allow chemical laced baits or lures for fishing so check with your local fish and wildlife agencies prior to using any fish attractant. Also the people at bait shops should know if there are any problems with using chemical attractants in the areas that you plan to fish.

[shawn_c992001]

WV law says it is illegal, and even in the regs. it mentions WD-40 by name.

[mullet-time-69]

anyone use it on lures or baits, I had 2 guys tell me it really works but its illegal
I used it ONE time for cat fishing, using it with hotdog's it worked very well until I found out it was illegal in California and have never used it since.

[Almostfast]

WV law says it is illegal, and even in the regs. it mentions WD-40 by name.

thats a stupid law. and how the hell would they catch you?

[smblknova]

Years ago I tried it, fishing for Walleyes and northern pike, bass etc. All I could tell was the fish were not scared of it as I did catch some, but it did not increase my fish catching abilities. I haven't used it since.

[mullet-time-69]

I used it ONE time for cat fishing, using it with hotdog's it worked very well until I found out it was illegal in California and have never used it since.
I don't think it's a stupid law, how would you like to ingest an petroleum product into your body. And as far as getting caught all the fish and game have to do is use binoculars or sneak up on you and watch what you are doing. I have seen them being sneaky like that.

[mullet-time-69]

thats a stupid law. and how the hell would they catch you?
I don't think it's a stupid law, how would you like to ingest a petroleum product into your body. And for getting caught, all the fish and game wardens have to do is watch you with binoculars or sneak up on you. I have seen that happen.

[Rodz]

I don't think it's a stupid law, how would you like to ingest a petroleum product into your body. And for getting caught, all the fish and game wardens have to do is watch you with binoculars or sneak up on you. I have seen that happen.

How can a quick spray of WD40 be anywhere near as bad as running your boat motor and blowing exhaust with all kinds of bad
stuff into the water?

[55project]

It's illegal in most states if not all. Back years ago the old guys use to dip thier lures in motor oil and it worked, then the sprays came out, not as bad as straight oil, but just as illegal in the Game Commisions eyes. Doesn't matter what we think, it's thier game thier rules. We just have to pay the fines..

I always have some kinda spray lube in my tackle bag, but only for hitting the reel and guides once and a bit. Never tried it on a lure. Too many baits work just fine,..

Happy Fishing..

[mullet-time-69]

How can a quick spray of WD40 be anywhere near as bad as running your boat motor and blowing exhaust with all kinds of bad
stuff into the water?

It may not be thay bad on a little scale, but it still adds up over time. think about a small lake that you could not put a boat on except for a little dingy and you had a half dozen fishermen doing the same thing, that oil would add up quickly in no time, let alone what it does to all of the natural bait, organism that they feed on. Just saying.:smt102 For me it is not worth the chance of a fine or jail time.

[Almostfast]

It may not be thay bad on a little scale, but it still adds up over time. think about a small lake that you could not put a boat on except for a little dingy and you had a half dozen fishermen doing the same thing, that oil would add up quickly in no time, let alone what it does to all of the natural bait, organism that they feed on. Just saying.:smt102 For me it is not worth the chance of a fine or jail time.

well it doesn't really matter to me either way. fishing is boring as hell to me. the only reason I came in here is curiosity. I wondered why the hell a topic was named WD40 in the hunting/fishing section...:rolleyes:

[FordRacing250]

Its illegal here in Cali... Learn to fish the right way, using the right lures, jigs, plastics, baits so on, and you should catch fish... know what to use for conditions, fish, ect. learn how to jig the lures and so on.... you should see the shit i go out with in salt water.. Im usually set up from sand/calico bass, scuplin all the way up to sharks...

[55project]

well it doesn't really matter to me either way. fishing is boring as hell to me. the only reason I came in here is curiosity. I wondered why the hell a topic was named WD40 in the hunting/fishing section...:rolleyes:


That's funny, i knew right away what it was about when i saw the title, that's why i stopped in. lol

[c-train]

my father ownes a marina and tackle shop here in dade city fl.and i always hear old timers talking about wd-40 and i got to thinkin about it and compared a can of BANG to wd-40 and alot of the contense are the same except the scent that is added to the bang fish attractents.

[Jim Foley]

I tried it and didn't catch a god damn thing! Jury is still out. Going to give her another shot this weekend.

[JFontaine]

Fish have a unreal sense of "taste". Handling a pike while walleye fishing will almost certainly reduce your catch. Northern pike eat walleye and are enemies. If you get slime from a pike on your line, bait or lure after handling the pike, walleyes will be less likely to track your bait. When pro walleye fishing; most will change lures if they accidentally catch a pike. People who keep minnows in the same live well as northers while walleye fishing are going to have a rough day. Wash your hands with a mild soap and skip the wd40, it doesnt work.

[protruck70]

Fish have a unreal sense of "taste". Handling a pike while walleye fishing will almost certainly reduce your catch. Northern pike eat walleye and are enemies. If you get slime from a pike on your line, bait or lure after handling the pike, walleyes will be less likely to track your bait. When pro walleye fishing; most will change lures if they accidentally catch a pike. People who keep minnows in the same live well as northers while walleye fishing are going to have a rough day. Wash your hands with a mild soap and skip the wd40, it doesnt work.

Ditto.. My father in-law insisted when he taught me to Ice fish that when I tip-up fished to keep anything Northern seperated from my walleye stuff. He swore by not cross contaminating and he was an amazing Ice fisherman.

[Rodz]

Fish have a unreal sense of "taste". Handling a pike while walleye fishing will almost certainly reduce your catch. Northern pike eat walleye and are enemies. If you get slime from a pike on your line, bait or lure after handling the pike, walleyes will be less likely to track your bait. When pro walleye fishing; most will change lures if they accidentally catch a pike. People who keep minnows in the same live well as northers while walleye fishing are going to have a rough day. Wash your hands with a mild soap and skip the wd40, it doesnt work.

I've read several articles that claim it does work. This was copied from a fishing web site.

OUTDOORS; CONCOCTING POTIONS TO ATTRACT FISH
By NELSON BRYANT
Published: Sunday, July 10, 1988


The recent announcement by the WD-40 Company of San Diego that its well-known penetrating oil - dear to the heart of every handyman or mechanic wrestling with a rust-frozen nut or bolt - is also being used as a fish attractant is not as startling as some might think.

For centuries, fishermen have been concocting various potions intended to stimulate their prey to take lure or bait. In recent years, some of these brews have been the result of extended research in laboratories. Others evolved (as might have happened with WD-40) from casual experimenting when the fishing was slow. The discovery of WD-40's appeal to fish could also have been serendipitous. Many anglers include a can of it in their tackle boxes for use on reels, reel seats and pliers, and a bait that was sprayed by accident may have suddenly begun to take fish.

The San Diego firm said that fishermen in the Pacific Northwest who put WD-40 on bait or lures have tremendous success catching trout, and added that its product is also being used with success by those after sturgeon, pickerel, northern pike, catfish, black bass, walleyed pike, sunfish, salmon, halibut, sharks and sting rays.

According to Lou Repaci, manager of marketing services for WD-40, his firm has received hundreds of letters from anglers scattered about the country attesting to the product's fish-getting qualities. One letter from a commercial fisherman in Alaska described how he and his crew caught more than two dozen halibut in two hours using chunks of cut herring scented with WD-40. Baits that were not so treated caught no fish, he added.

Whether there is something in WD-40 that attracts fish or whether it masks other less desirable odors (human scent is often mentioned as one of these) is not clear.

I am not sure that I would want to be caught giving a Gold-Ribbed Hare's Ear nymph a shot of WD-40 while fly fishing a no-kill stretch of the Beaverkill. Somehow that seems a bit crass. But those bait, lure or fly fishermen who do give it a whirl, will be joining a tradition of which the famous angler-author Izaak Walton (1593-1683) was a part.

In his ''Fishing In American Waters'' (Harper & Brothers, 1869) the well-traveled and well-connected Genio Scott observed that Walton had recommended ''numerous strong-smelling pastes for attracting fish to the bait,'' favoring those scented with ''petroleum'' above all others. (Although the first oil well wasn't drilled until 1859, man has been familiar with oil brought to the surface of the earth by natural forces for thousands of years and early on sometimes used it for fuel and other purposes.) Scott also wrote that an M. Chars, who was apothecary to Louis XIV (who reigned from 1643 to 1715), ''composed a perfume which attracted all kinds of fresh-water fishes by the use of cat's fat, heron's grease, the best asafoetida, Egyptian mummy finely powdered, aniseed, camphor, galbanum, Venice turpentine, and civet. These he made into the consistency of thin ointment by means of oil of lavender, of aniseed and camomile . . . the bait and about eight inches of the line are directed to be anointed with this.. . .''

A fish-getting formula within reach of today's angler appears in a poem quoted in J. Davors's ''The Secrets of Angling,'' which was published in 1813: To bless thy bait and make the fish to bite, Lo! here's a means, if thou canst hit it right: Take gum of life, well beat and laid to soak In oil well-drawn of ivy which kills the oak. Fish where thou wilt, thou shalt have sport thy fill; When others fail, thou shalt be sure to kill.

The ''gum of life'' is probably gum from the gum tree or those of other species of trees or shrubs that yield a gum or resin when cut. The ''ivy'' is obviously the English ivy.

Variously scented dough balls are commonly used as catfish bait. There is a simple recipe for dough balls, which are also favored by carp, in Vlad Evanoff's ''Fishing With Natural Baits'' (Prentice-Hall, Inc., 1959 and 1975): blend a cup of corn meal, half a cup of flour and two teaspoons of sugar in a bowl, adding just enough water to form a stiff dough. Knead well and form the dough into small balls - a little smaller than bait-sized because they will expand when cooked - and boil them for 15 or 20 minutes in water. They will be firm and rubbery when done and can be used as soon as they cool.

Some anglers flavor dough balls with grated cheese, and this is not far-fetched. Many years ago on still, hot summer afternoons the smell of cottage cheese hung over a good-sized rainbow trout lake in west central New Hampshire that I was used to visit. Bait fishermen had discovered that by using cottage cheese as chum they could induce big trout to congregate under the boat. These fish were then sometimes caught on worms, but often a single kernel of cooked corn on a small hook was the bait. Occasionally, tiny marshmallows were substituted for the corn. One wonders what would have happened if those corn kernels and marshmallows had been anointed with WD-40.

[JFontaine]

I've read several articles that claim it does work. This was copied from a fishing web site.
And you believe everything you read? Believe what you want but it still wont make it work. We tried different scents, recipes and chemicals often when ice fishing with the aquaview down the hole. It does not work. Several recipes do work for walleyes though, but I wont be letting the cat out of the bag on the internet. WD40 is mostly mineral spirits, you think that makes it appealing to fish? The only positive effect WD40 could have is to mask human scent, or some other contamination on the presentation. :rolleyes:

[Rodz]

And you believe everything you read? Believe what you want but it still wont make it work. We tried different scents, recipes and chemicals often when ice fishing with the aquaview down the hole. It does not work. Several recipes do work for walleyes though, but I wont be letting the cat out of the bag on the internet. WD40 is mostly mineral spirits, you think that makes it appealing to fish? The only positive effect WD40 could have is to mask human scent, or some other contamination on the presentation. :rolleyes:


Where did I say that I believed it? I've heard it from people that claim it works and I've read many claims about it. I can't say it works no more than you can say it doesn't.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[JFontaine]

Where did I say that I believed it? I've heard it from people that claim it works and I've read many claims about it. I can't say it works no more than you can say it doesn't.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
If you personally have tried it then by all means please enlighten me. I have and say it does not work. "I heard it from some people" lol.

[Rodz]

If you personally have tried it then by all means please enlighten me. I have and say it does not work. "I heard it from some people" lol.

I haven't tried it and I never said it works. I didn't start this thread. All I did was add what I've heard from some who have used it since the 60s and claim it does catch fish. You don't need to be an idiot about it. Grow up dumb ass.

[JFontaine]

I haven't tried it and I never said it works. I didn't start this thread. All I did was add what I've heard from some who have used it since the 60s and claim it does catch fish. You don't need to be an idiot about it. Grow up dumb ass.
The only dumbass here is you. Only an idiot passes 3rd hand information as fact.

[Rodz]

The only dumbass here is you. Only an idiot passes 3rd hand information as fact.

Ok, now I know what the problem is. You can't read. I never said it would work, nor did I say it was fact.

[bottlefed1]

i have used it for about two years now. I am not much of a fisherman but i like to go on a wreck trips for ling and seabass and i also go stripper fishing and works like a charm. I dont know if it is illeagal in NJ But i should look on the Division of fish and game to see if it is illeagal in NJ. If so I will stop doing it.



G'damn my hat's off to ya, not often you hear something like this on the bullet. Thanks for acting responsibly.

[bottlefed1]

As far as it working goes although fish have a very sensitive "smell" they also have a brain like my first boss, "small and shaped like a peanut' with that in mind think where oil comes from and its not hard to see why a petroleum would trigger the strike mechanism of the small peanut shaped mass known as the fish brain. And no you do not have to repaint bobbers because, "them trout are smart" when they see the writing it scares the fish off, like I have heard when in the company of cheesballer trout fish r men.

[Cutbait Bob]

It works...

[Hoosierdaddy]

I can tell by the posts in here you guys would just love what I fish with.

www.electro-fisher.com

[Jim Foley]

Where do I get one. Never seen anytrhing like it.

[protruck70]

Where do I get one. Never seen anytrhing like it.

Ta-312 phone generator and some copper wire.;)

[Hoosierdaddy]

Where do I get one. Never seen anytrhing like it.

Order it from their website. They are in Poland and are very nice people. They shipped mine out on monday by US mail and I received it thursday. If you get one let me know and I'll tell you how to set it up and what to set it on to make it work. I have a freezer full of fish now because of this thing.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Ta-312 phone generator and some copper wire.;)

That will only work on skinfish (mainly catfish) and only in warm, moving water about 70* water temp and up. The electrofisher will work on scalefish in any water, except saltwater or very cold water, and will work on skinfish.

[DOLLARBILL]

I can tell by the posts in here you guys would just love what I fish with.

www.electro-fisher.com (http://www.electro-fisher.com)how much are they.:cool:

[Hoosierdaddy]

When I got mine they were $400. A year later they sent me an email saying they had gone up to $500 and were going up to $550. They were giving me an option to buy another one before they went up to $550. I haven't checked the price lately though. If like to eat fish and have plenty of places you could get away with using it at don't worry about the price. Knowing what I know now about this thing, I would pay $1000 for one in a heartbeat. My freezer is full of fish right now because of this thing. Smith Root in Vancouver makes fish shockers too but their cheapest "backpack" model starts at $4500 and goes all the way to commercial shockinig tanks for processing plants that run around $20,000. The guy that turned me on to these is in MS and has besically become the US spokesperson for them due to loving the one he has. He has a smith root boat mounted model and says he would rather throw his smith root away than sell his electrofisher.

[Rodz]

When I got mine they were $400. A year later they sent me an email saying they had gone up to $500 and were going up to $550. They were giving me an option to buy another one before they went up to $550. I haven't checked the price lately though. If like to eat fish and have plenty of places you could get away with using it at don't worry about the price. Knowing what I know now about this thing, I would pay $1000 for one in a heartbeat. My freezer is full of fish right now because of this thing. Smith Root in Vancouver makes fish shockers too but their cheapest "backpack" model starts at $4500 and goes all the way to commercial shockinig tanks for processing plants that run around $20,000. The guy that turned me on to these is in MS and has besically become the US spokesperson for them due to loving the one he has. He has a smith root boat mounted model and says he would rather throw his smith root away than sell his electrofisher.

It seems like you could get into a whole lot of legal issues with that thing. Jail time?

[JFontaine]

In most states: "The use of explosives,firearms, chemicals (not including fish scents), spring devices, or electricity for taking fish is unlawful."
(this includes wd40 by the way)
In Minnesota, rumor has it they can confiscate your vehicle, boat and all item in your possession if you get caught.
Way to be a sportsman. :(

[Hoosierdaddy]

It seems like you could get into a whole lot of legal issues with that thing. Jail time?

You can depending on what state you're in and where you use it. In AL it's illegal in all public waters and even to have it on the banks of public waters whether it is working/in use or not. It's also illegal in private waters here without the pond owner's permission to shock fish in their pond (just permission to fish there does not work, it must say you can shock there) . There are some states where it is legal even in public waters so it depends on where you are under what circumstances you use it. Around here game wardens pretty much do not bother private ponds unless the owner has asked them to keep a check on it due to catching people sneaking in w/o permission. I really don't see what the problem with this thing is. I've never been able to take any more fish than someone fishing with a rod and reel. As far as jail time goes, that is possible with almost every law that is broken but I've never heard of anybody getting any after breaking any fish or game laws. They just write you a ticket and send you on your way. The fine for using this illegally here is minimum $50 first time with a max of $200. Second time $200 minimum max $500 plus I'm sure they will confiscate the equipment either time. They can take the boat and vehicle too but I've never heard of that happening either.

[Hoosierdaddy]

In most states: "The use of explosives,firearms, chemicals (not including fish scents), spring devices, or electricity for taking fish is unlawful."
(this includes wd40 by the way)
In Minnesota, rumor has it they can confiscate your vehicle, boat and all item in your possession if you get caught.

This is a true possibility for most states but what you stated above almost always applies only to public waters. They cannot tell you what you can do with your fish in your pond.

Way to be a sportsman. :(

I will be the first to admit that I AM NOT a sportsman by any stretch of the imagination. Actually I hate sportsman fishers and hunters. They do way more harm to the environment than good. They are good for business and that's it. Don't get me wrong though. I'm no envronmentalists either. I just don't believe in people dragging fish out of the that water with a hook in their throat for their own personal pleasure just to throw it back so they do it again later all at the expense of the fish's well being. I fish and hunt for food only and eat everything I catch and shoot. Sportsman do not do this and I don't agree with that.

[JFontaine]

I just don't believe in people dragging fish out of the that water with a hook in their throat for their own personal pleasure just to throw it back so they do it again later all at the expense of the fish's well being. I fish and hunt for food only and eat everything I catch and shoot. Sportsman do not do this and I don't agree with that.

Sportsman do not throw gut-hooked fish back, idiots do. You use all the animals you take. To me that is a large part of being a sportsman.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Sportsman do not throw gut-hooked fish back, idiots do. You use all the animals you take. To me that is a large part of being a sportsman.

Well you need to have a talk with every "sportsman" around here then. When they go to catch and release fish, everthing they catch goes back in the water whether it's going to die or not. Hell I know a lot of them that don't even eat fish at all but fish on a regular basis because they love to catch them. I say these people should not be allowed to fish period. Another reason I hate sportsmen is because they don't like me and what I do. If I shock up a 10 lb bass, it's going on my plate not my wall and they get all pissed about that because that's a big bass gone that they might could have caught and had mounted. I say that's meat wasted just so they could look at it and tell their buddies about how they caught it. Yes I know fish can be mounted and you keep it and eat it too but no taxidermist around here does that and these people around here are not going to spend the extra money to have somebody out of state mount it for them that way. Almost every "sportsman" around here is out for a trophy and nothing else. That's why we see whole deer thrown in a ditch down a dirt road with nothing but the head cut off every deer season. That is something I will not do but far too many "sportsmen" will do. This is also why thee people go deer hunting and pass up everything but a trophy buck and never shoot any does. Now we are overrun with does that tear up people's car every year due to being hit in the road and have a 3 buck limit per season. This all due to these people being "sportsmen" and not hunting/fishing for the right reason. As far as using all the animals you take, you should keep every fish you catch, that is of keepable size, and quit when have a sufficient catch for the day. Now you should go prepare them for cooking or freezing but you try telling some of them that. Bottom line for the electrofisher is this. It doesn't matter how you get the fish out of the water as long as you are not damaging the environment, do not harm any unwanted fish and do not take out more than the supply can tolerate. As long as you follow those rules, what does it matter how you got them out of the water.

[Rodz]

Well you need to have a talk with every "sportsman" around here then. When they go to catch and release fish, everthing they catch goes back in the water whether it's going to die or not. Hell I know a lot of them that don't even eat fish at all but fish on a regular basis because they love to catch them. I say these people should not be allowed to fish period. Another reason I hate sportsmen is because they don't like me and what I do. If I shock up a 10 lb bass, it's going on my plate not my wall and they get all pissed about that because that's a big bass gone that they might could have caught and had mounted. I say that's meat wasted just so they could look at it and tell their buddies about how they caught it. Yes I know fish can be mounted and you keep it and eat it too but no taxidermist around here does that and these people around here are not going to spend the extra money to have somebody out of state mount it for them that way. Almost every "sportsman" around here is out for a trophy and nothing else. That's why we see whole deer thrown in a ditch down a dirt road with nothing but the head cut off every deer season. That is something I will not do but far too many "sportsmen" will do. This is also why thee people go deer hunting and pass up everything but a trophy buck and never shoot any does. Now we are overrun with does that tear up people's car every year due to being hit in the road and have a 3 buck limit per season. This all due to these people being "sportsmen" and not hunting/fishing for the right reason. As far as using all the animals you take, you should keep every fish you catch, that is of keepable size, and quit when have a sufficient catch for the day. Now you should go prepare them for cooking or freezing but you try telling some of them that. Bottom line for the electrofisher is this. It doesn't matter how you get the fish out of the water as long as you are not damaging the environment, do not harm any unwanted fish and do not take out more than the supply can tolerate. As long as you follow those rules, what does it matter how you got them out of the water.

Most around here are catch and release. We get into some heated discussions about it. If I catch it, it's going in the frying pan. They think I'm evil. One advantage of catch and release is, you can lie your ass off as to how big it was. I still think that electric thing you have will get you in some trouble if you get caught. It's not worth me losing my boat and truck.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Most around here are catch and release. We get into some heated discussions about it. If I catch it, it's going in the frying pan. They think I'm evil.

Yeah they think their ability to put a trophy on the wall is more important than me eating. Cry me a river is all I can tell them. I don't give two shits about their trophy.

I still think that electric thing you have will get you in some trouble if you get caught. It's not worth me losing my boat and truck.

Absolutely you will get in trouble if caught using it in an unauthorized manor. I've never heard of anybody around here losing their vehicle or boat when caught breaking a fish or game law but they can take it if they want. How this works in other states may vary. I rarely ever use this thing in public waters and if I do it's in a place that is extremely unlikely for a game warden to be or I wouldn't go. Actually I've been in public waters with it 4-5 times in the 3 yrs I've owned it. I've fished with it at least 100 times since I've owned it in private ponds.

[Hoosierdaddy]

You use all the animals you take. To me that is a large part of being a sportsman.

Here's something else to go along with this statement. For the catch and release fishermen, if you have no intentions of keeping any fish to eat, move to another place or something like that then you have no business fishing in the first place. Fishing just to catch and release only with no intentions of keeping anything just because you like dragging fish out of the water and looking at them should be illegal even if it's in your own pond. I currently do not own a pond but if I did I would still say the same thing. In this state spotlighting deer is illegal because it's "harrassing the wildlife" but catch and release fishing is not. Tell me how that is not harrassing the wildlife too.

[bottlefed1]

Catch and Release fishing is here to stay. Fish caught on adequate tackle with proper bait and hooks are rarely gut hooked and usually live. Although I am sure you mean well I think you should think about this,

I catch and release fish for fun, and I eat fish from the supermarket for dinner. If you think that catching fish like bass and eating them is a good thing...thank god there are not nearly as many people like you around as there are catch and release fisherman, if one half of fisherman decided tommorow to start keeping all the fish they could eat instead of buying them from the store the ponds lakes and rivers would soon be in bad shape, there are way to many people living in this country to utilize the fresh water fisheries for a food source.

Richard G

[55project]

If you attempt to go into a waterway or the woods to catch, shot release or kill and animal or fish, WITH a license, Your a Sportsman. Without, your a poacher.. By Game Commission laws.. And if your using the electrical toy to catch fish in the U.S., you know your poaching.. I would like to see it used, but only in the right hands for the right reason. Shit, i could hit my favorite fishing holes and get a trophy every time out, not very sporting to me...


And I love to go out for the day and catch fish, some i eat and some i release. Some days i go for the sole purpose of keeping and other days just to have fun. It's just nice to be away from the house and the crowds. Either way, i do it by the laws set and i consider myself a decent sportsman.

Fisherman and hunters are all sportsman and our money does go back into the wildlife programs that are out there.

As people that dragrace, and i have been doing it since the 70's, i have never seen our money go back into anything except the track owners pockets. Which is fine..

But to say hunter and fisherman do more harm than good is just out in left feild..

I guess when a car at the track blows a motor the leaking oil is just fine leaching in the ground?? Or maybe the chemicals they use to clean and prep a track is really good for the enviorment ? How about the levels of lead and other thing from the fuels we use? I guess as racers, we're not Sportsman if we are doing more harm than good??..


I would think that racing is really a worse deal for the world we live in than a few people floating in a boat or sitting in the woods ....

But i'm not giving up any of the above, I LOVE doing them ALL..

And i'm a Sportsman..........

[JFontaine]

Here's something else to go along with this statement. For the catch and release fishermen, if you have no intentions of keeping any fish to eat, move to another place or something like that then you have no business fishing in the first place. Fishing just to catch and release only with no intentions of keeping anything just because you like dragging fish out of the water and looking at them should be illegal even if it's in your own pond. I currently do not own a pond but if I did I would still say the same thing. In this state spotlighting deer is illegal because it's "harrassing the wildlife" but catch and release fishing is not. Tell me how that is not harrassing the wildlife too.

After you admitted above that you have poached, you tell me about harassing fish? How ridiculous can you get. You jump to an awful lot of stupid conclusions. I dont keep females with eggs, and I don't keep fish out of the slot. You are out there calling sticking electrodes in the water and electrocuting fish "fishing"? Not to me it isnt.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Catch and Release fishing is here to stay.

Unfortunately.

Fish caught on adequate tackle with proper bait and hooks are rarely gut hooked and usually live.

I've fished all my life with regular hook and line with the proper bait/tackle. I can assure you it happens plenty of times especially with panfish. Also happens with largemouth bass when a smaller one is taking the bait and you can't tell for sure if there's a fish on or not until it's swallowed the hook. This will happen every fishing trip at least a time or two if you catch anything to speak of at all.

I catch and release fish for fun, and I eat fish from the supermarket for dinner.

Thank you for admiting you are fishing for the wrong reason. I love to eat bass and bluegill. It's illegal to sell those in this state exept for fish farms selling stock for ponds so if you want to eat those, which is perfectly legal, you have to go catch them yourself plus they are virtually free compared to fish at the store.

If you think that catching fish like bass and eating them is a good thing...thank god there are not nearly as many people like you around as there are catch and release fisherman, if one half of fisherman decided tommorow to start keeping all the fish they could eat instead of buying them from the store the ponds lakes and rivers would soon be in bad shape

Here's where you are mistaken about the point I'm trying to make. I'm not at all saying half or all of the catch and release fishermen should start keeping what they catch. Obviously they don't want to eat them anyway or they wouldn't be practicing C & R. What I'm saying is (gasp) THEY SHOULDN"T BE FISHING AT ALL IF THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF KEEPING ANY TO EAT. Let me clue you in on something. God did not put animals on this earth for you to use as ornaments on your wall.

there are way to many people living in this country to utilize the fresh water fisheries for a food source.


Yes there is but this is not a problem because not enough people will do this for it to become the problem you're talking about. I guess this also depends on what obama does to us.

[Hoosierdaddy]

If you attempt to go into a waterway or the woods to catch, shot release or kill and animal or fish, WITH a license, Your a Sportsman.

I do have a liscense but I'm no sportsman as defined by "sportsmans" actions.

And if your using the electrical toy to catch fish in the U.S., you know your poaching.

This is where you are very sadly mistaken. It is perfectly legal if used under the right circumstances in the right place.

I would like to see it used, but only in the right hands for the right reason. Shit, i could hit my favorite fishing holes and get a trophy every time out, not very sporting to me...

You are mistaken again. You say this for the same reason everybody that doesn't like this thing does. You are either misinformed as to how it works, you are nothing but a sportsman or both. You are very sadly mistaken if you think you will come home with a trophy after every trip. Many times you will not see a fish at all. All the opposers of this device think all you do is stick a couple of wires in the water and all the fish in the pond jump in your boat. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I've been countless times and saw nothing worth keeping or nothing at all but on average I will catch more fish than the average person fishing with a reel all while not harming a single fish in the process. Also this thing does not work very well at all in cold water but hooks do.

And I love to go out for the day and catch fish, some i eat and some i release. Some days i go for the sole purpose of keeping and other days just to have fun.

Ok then you should do something else on the days you don't want to keep anything.

Fisherman and hunters are all sportsman and our money does go back into the wildlife programs that are out there.

Liscense money goes back into wildlife programs like paying for game warden's salary. I buy a liscense every year.

As people that dragrace, and i have been doing it since the 70's, i have never seen our money go back into anything except the track owners pockets. Which is fine..

Track owners don't use the money they make to update/upgrade the tracks we all race on?

But to say hunter and fisherman do more harm than good is just out in left feild..

I never said this at all. I said sportsmen do more harm than good. I'm a hunter and fisherman but not a sportsman and I make sure I do no harm to the environment. Sportsman deer hunters (not all but as a whole) go hunt for a big buck only and will not shoot anything else while many won't even eat what they shoot but rather give the meat away if they don't throw it in the ditch after cutting the head off. This is not good for the deer population. It causes over population with smaller and sickly deer due lack of food available.

guess when a car at the track blows a motor the leaking oil is just fine leaching in the ground??

Actually it won't hurt a damn thing until masses of people start doing it.

Or maybe the chemicals they use to clean and prep a track is really good for the enviorment ? How about the levels of lead and other thing from the fuels we use? I guess as racers, we're not Sportsman if we are doing more harm than good??..

None of this is enough to really hurt anything.

[Hoosierdaddy]

After you admitted above that you have poached, you tell me about harassing fish?

Regardless of whether what I do is illegal or not, I'm not harrassing fish for my personal pleasure at their expense like c & r fisherman do.

I dont keep females with eggs, and I don't keep fish out of the slot.

I don't know what "fish out of the slot" is but if you don't keep at least 25 to maybe 50% of the bass you catch you are possibly doing more harm than good depending on how many others are fishing at the same place adn how big it is. Let's test your knowledge on fish here. Tell me what the two main things are that keep bass populations under control.

You are out there calling sticking electrodes in the water and electrocuting fish "fishing"? Not to me it isnt.

I'm not the only one that calls using this thing fishing. The dept of natural resources does too. I just watched a show not long ago on an outdoors channel that showed the DNR checking the stock at a public lake somewhere with a shocker boat. When he cranked up the generator and turned the unit on guess what he said. "Ok we're fishing". Here's the definition of fishing. Leave home without fish, go to water where fish are, get fish out of water, go home with fish=fishing.

[JFontaine]

Regardless of whether what I do is illegal or not, I'm not harrassing fish for my personal pleasure at their expense like c & r fisherman do.



I don't know what "fish out of the slot" is but if you don't keep at least 25 to maybe 50% of the bass you catch you are possibly doing more harm than good depending on how many others are fishing at the same place adn how big it is. Let's test your knowledge on fish here. Tell me what the two main things are that keep bass populations under control.



I'm not the only one that calls using this thing fishing. The dept of natural resources does too. I just watched a show not long ago on an outdoors channel that showed the DNR checking the stock at a public lake somewhere with a shocker boat. When he cranked up the generator and turned the unit on guess what he said. "Ok we're fishing". Here's the definition of fishing. Leave home without fish, go to water where fish are, get fish out of water, go home with fish=fishing.

When the dnr does it, its for a reason, he was making a joke. You just suck too much at real fishing so you electrocute fish. You are a ignorant ass and a complete pile of shit. Nuff said.

[55project]

> by hoosierdaddy,,

I will be the first to admit that I AM NOT a sportsman by any stretch of the imagination. Actually I hate sportsman fishers and hunters. They do way more harm to the environment than good. .


You stated that you never said this, Well, it's in your previous post...

And i really doubt that using your elec device is very legal in any state, and the you state that you release any fish under sized, but you hate people that catch and release?? That seems to be catch and release to me?? And i know for fact that some if not many fish that get shocked, in Game Comm surveys, some never survive the release. So they are use for study..


I'm not here to argue, i just like seeing what other sportsman catch. This post is getting way out of hand. Write what you want, and i'll fish and hunt by the book and feel good about doing so. After all, what i throw back or pass up on, will someday be someones trophy. And i'm proud to do so..

You want to shock fish for a meal, knock yourself out, your not wasting it, so i'll give you that much. But that's all..

Enjoy..

[87bigcut]

I have been catch and release fishing for years. I usually fish with plastic worms for bass and pickerel. I have caught a fish or two that I knew wouldn't survive I admit, and it does suck. However, I have also cut hooks, crushed barbs, etc. to do what I can to save the fish.

I don't think I will ever try WD40 as there are plenty of commercial products out there to try, and I haven't really given them much thought either.

The whole electrocuting fish thing seems a bit ridiculous....

[1st_Gen]

I don't know about fish, but my dog licks it off the shop floor like it's gravy. LOL.

[Hoosierdaddy]

When the dnr does it, its for a reason, he was making a joke.

I watched the show. He didn't seem to be joking to me.

You just suck too much at real fishing so you electrocute fish.

I have caught many, many fish with a hook, line and reel.

You are a ignorant ass and a complete pile of shit. Nuff said.

I'm an ignorant ass because you don't like the way I fish when I do less harm to the fish than you do and now you have to resort to name calling. Did you say you were 12 or 13?

[Hoosierdaddy]

You stated that you never said this, Well, it's in your previous post...

Show me where I said I never said anything in what you quoted me on. I can assure you've got something wrong or there is some clarification needed. Probably clarification needed since somebody thinks me not keeping everything I see is c & r fishing.

And i really doubt that using your elec device is very legal in any state

I can assure you there are states where electrofishing is legal in public waters. Don't believe me, check it out for yourself. I know for a fact it's legal in private waters in AL as long as you have written permission from the pond owner or person in legal control of said pond or have that person with you. It is not legal in public waters or to even have on the banks of public waters in AL whether working or not.

and the you state that you release any fish under sized, but you hate people that catch and release?? That seems to be catch and release to me??

There is a very big difference between people fishing to c & r only knowing they will not keep anything unless, god forbid, they catch something they could mount on the wall and somebody that keeps the "keepers" but returns the "nonkeepers" so they can have a chance to grow up. You've obviously got sense enough to make it to the internet so I'm sure you are capable of understanding that.

And i know for fact that some if not many fish that get shocked, in Game Comm surveys, some never survive the release. So they are use for study..

This rarely ever happens but is possible with what they use due to the fact that it's a much stronger, higher powered unit than what I use so as to cover a much bigger area at one time than I can. I've watched the DNR do this at my local county lake and not one sigle fish was harmed. Every one swam away. I have not been able to kill a single fish with mine. I promise I have tried when a fish came up I knew I wanted to keep but didn't want it flopping around in the boat. I can't do it so I stopped trying.


I'm not here to argue, i just like seeing what other sportsman catch.

Then maybe you should start doing some research before you start spouting off what you think is legal and illegal.

Write what you want, and i'll fish and hunt by the book and feel good about doing so.

I do too but nowhere in our hunting/fishing laws does it say you should c & r or shoot only trophy bucks.

After all, what i throw back or pass up on, will someday be someones trophy. And i'm proud to do so..

Same thing here with fish I don't keep but I would not be happy if I found out a big bass I let go ended up on somebody's wall and the meat was wasted so they could mount it.

You want to shock fish for a meal, knock yourself out, your not wasting it, so i'll give you that much. But that's all..

That's all I'm supposed to get. I eat what I take and don't take more than I can use or more than the supply can handle=no waste and no harm to the supply. For the life of me I just can't understand why some people, that are not even sportsman fishers/hunters, get their panties in such a wad over this thing. I guess the main thing is they don't understand how it works and usually won't listen to an explaination. They always think you're going to clean the water out and that's just not true nor possible. I've tried this too for a guy that had a leaking pond dam and wanted to move all the fish he could to another pond before he found them floating on the water. I got about 1/3rd the fish out of a half full pond (26 bass 2.5-5 lbs and 1 catfish in 1 1/2 hrs) and that was trying to clean out a small pond that needed repair.

Enjoy..

Oh I will. One bite at a time.

[Hoosierdaddy]

I have been catch and release fishing for years. I usually fish with plastic worms for bass and pickerel. I have caught a fish or two that I knew wouldn't survive I admit, and it does suck.

If this is all you're going to do and have no plan on eating any then stop fishing.

However, I have also cut hooks, crushed barbs, etc. to do what I can to save the fish.

Good for you. I haven't had to do this since I stopped fishing with hooks.

I don't think I will ever try WD40 as there are plenty of commercial products out there to try, and I haven't really given them much thought either.

I'll believe it will work when I see it (wd40).

The whole electrocuting fish thing seems a bit ridiculous....

Why?

[55project]

This is a true possibility for most states but what you stated above almost always applies only to public waters. They cannot tell you what you can do with your fish in your pond.



I will be the first to admit that I AM NOT a sportsman by any stretch of the imagination. Actually I hate sportsman fishers and hunters. They do way more harm to the environment than good. They are good for business and that's it. Don't get me wrong though. I'm no envronmentalists either. I just don't believe in people dragging fish out of the that water with a hook in their throat for their own personal pleasure just to throw it back so they do it again later all at the expense of the fish's well being. I fish and hunt for food only and eat everything I catch and shoot. Sportsman do not do this and I don't agree with that.



Read the above, And sorry, the quote didn't pickup that you were answering to "JF".

This part> "I will be the first to admit ect, ect..

This is you, correct??

[Hoosierdaddy]

Read the above, And sorry, the quote didn't pickup that you were answering to "JF".

This part> "I will be the first to admit ect, ect..

This is you, correct??

Yeah so you quoted the same thing again. You still have not showed me where I said I never said "sportsman do more harm than good". I did say that and have not said I didn't in any post here that I remember. I did say it and if I later said I didn't, show it to me.

[JFontaine]

Yeah so you quoted the same thing again. You still have not showed me where I said I never said "sportsman do more harm than good". I did say that and have not said I didn't in any post here that I remember. I did say it and if I later said I didn't, show it to me.

You take fish illegally. You poach and I hope one day you get caught. You can justify it in your little mind all you want but you know its wrong and still do it.

[Hoosierdaddy]

You take fish illegally. You poach and I hope one day you get caught. You can justify it in your little mind all you want but you know its wrong and still do it.

I said I have been to public waters with this thing. I most likely will never go to public waters again. All the public waters around here where you have almost no chance of getting caught don't have many fish I want so there's not really a reason to go there. The places I go to are all private ponds where I have permission to use this thing. That is perfectly legal in AL according to this:

Section 9-11-91

Catching, etc., of fish in private ponds, lakes, pools or reservoirs.

(a) It is hereby made unlawful for any person to take, catch or kill or attempt to take, catch or kill fish or aid in the taking, catching or killing of fish of any species by the means or use of a seine, net, trap or any similar or other device which may be used for taking, catching, killing or stunning fish or by the use of hook and line, rod and reel or by use of dynamite or other explosives or by the use of any poison, poisonous substance, fishberries, lime or other deleterious or poisonous matter in any private pond, private lake, private pool or private reservoir of this state, except as otherwise specifically provided in this section.
(b) Any person who violates any of the provisions of subsection (a) of this section at any time shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, on conviction, be fined not less than $25.00 nor more than $100.00, but if the violation is for seining, netting, dynamiting or poisoning fish in such private bodies of water, the fine shall be not less than $200.00 nor more than $500.00, and the convicted violator may also be imprisoned in the county jail or sentenced to hard labor for the county for not more than six months at the discretion of the court.
(c) The provisions of this section shall not apply to the owner of any private pond, private lake, private pool or private reservoir or to any member of his family or his duly authorized agent, lessee or any other person holding from the owner specific written authorization or any person who accompanies the owner or person in possession or control of such private body of water.
(d) Any federal or state agent engaged in research, restocking or rescue work shall be exempt from the provisions of this section, or any private fish culturist who holds a written permit from the owner or person in charge of said private pond, private lake, private pool or private reservoir shall also be exempt.
(e) All money arising from fines, penalties or forfeitures for violations of this section shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources by the trial court on the first day of each month and shall be covered by him into the Game and Fish Fund of said Department of Conservation and Natural Resources.
(Acts 1951, No. 924, p. 1573, §§1-5.)


Don't believe this either? Google code of alabama. It's the first site on the list. Take a look for yourself. It's under title 9 section 9-11-91.

[JFontaine]

I said I have been to public waters with this thing. I most likely will never go to public waters again. All the public waters around here where you have almost no chance of getting caught don't have many fish I want so there's not really a reason to go there.

Good to see that you admit being a poacher. The above underlined remarks are a testament to your complete lack of character. Its all about you not getting caught, thats why sportsmen hate idiots like you.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Good to see that you admit being a poacher. The above underlined remarks are a testament to your complete lack of character. Its all about you not getting caught, thats why sportsmen hate idiots like you.

Poacher I don't know about. Have I used this thing in the past in an illegal manner, yes. Will I do it again, probably not but let me assure you the fact that I have illegally fished with this thing IS NOT the reason sport fishermen don't like it. They don't like it because it does not involve dragging a fish out of the water with a hood stuck in it's mouth and if they used it they wouldn't get to feel the fish fight. If as soon as a fish got on their line but put up no fight at all and they just had to reel it in they wouldn't fish because that would be no fun therefore they would have no reason to fish at all=they are fishing for the wrong reason. They don't like me because I eat what they would mount and as hard as their "trophies" are to come by, they get all pissed when somebody else harvests one in a different manner than they would have and then eats it instead of mounting it. That is why they don't like what I use to fish with and why they don't like me. Understand now? And as far as sportsmen not liking me because "it's all about me not getting caught", the very same people I'm talking about hunt deer over bait every year (that's illegal here) and go to the pond, throw out fish food until the water is boiling like it's full of pirannas then stand there and pull them in by the bucketfulls but all that's ok while what I do isn't. These people are the "sportsmen" I don't like and it's not just a few of them around here. It's damn near every one of them. It's not that I don't like them for what they do since they are doing the same thing I would (except keeping 2-3 buckets full of fish). I don't like them because they bitch about me doing the same type of thing they are doing but just in a different way. It's fine when they do something like that but what I'm doing is not ok. They operate on a double standard that is to their favor and that's what I have a problem with. Even if I do it legally they still don't like it.

[JFontaine]

So what you do in a pond is ok, but what others do is not. What a hypocrite. Dont you have a ACORN meeting to go to?

[Hoosierdaddy]

Look man here's the real deal ok. Far too many times I've gone fishing and seen others do the same to return with nothing but knowing I just wasted some gas. If I can use this thing to help insure that doesn't happen (it still happens but less often) while not harming the environment in any way, you can believe I will still do it because I'm benefiting from it and the fish are not suffering in the process. Another example of what I would do if I could, legal or not, is with deer hunting. For the last several years my wife and I have collectively harvested 13-15 deer per season to have enough meat for the rest of the year. If I could go shoot all of them at one time then go prepare them for processing I wouldn't go back until next year. I'm not a sportsman. I couldn't care less about the thrill of the hunt or the excitement of the kill or hanging a deer on my wall unless it's just absolutely huge. Then I would mount it but still eat it too. There's no sense in wasting gas to go hunting all the time if you could get all you need at once and save the gas unless you are hunting for fun. I don't consider running up and down the road hoping I'm going to come home with some meat fun. I fish and hunt for cheap food only not for fun. Not to mention the fact that it's damn tasty if cooked right. That is why I do what I do.

[Hoosierdaddy]

So what you do in a pond is ok, but what others do is not. What a hypocrite. Dont you have a ACORN meeting to go to?

Damn you love putting words in people's mouth don't you. I never said what they do in the pond is not ok. I only said I wouldn't do it and I don't look down on them for doing it like they do me. You've got this backwards. They think what they do is ok but what I do is not even though I leave with 25-30 fish while they leave with 130. They are the hypocrites not me.

[87bigcut]

If this is all you're going to do and have no plan on eating any then stop fishing.

Why? According to the law, and this thread, you are the one who has blatantly broken the law with your electro-pocket-fisherman.

99% of my fishing is for sport, trying to catch large bass, pickerel, and catfish. I do all this LEGALLY, in season, with a license, using legal tackle.

If anyone here should stop fishing, it is you.

Joe

[Hoosierdaddy]

Why? According to the law, and this thread, you are the one who has blatantly broken the law with your electro-pocket-fisherman.

I will admit I have used it illegally in the past and most likely won't do it again. I won't say never just because I try not to use that word much.

I do all this LEGALLY, in season, with a license, using legal tackle.

So do I according to the law I posted. All private pond fish seasons are open here.

If anyone here should stop fishing, it is you.


Why? As long as I do it with permission it's legal according to the law. You would say this whether it's legal or not.

[55project]

To Hoosierdaddy>

This is to your answer about the post you you can't find out where you say, Sportsman do more harm that good>>You should read your post more clear>

I only copied the first few lines this time so you can read it easier.>

I will be the first to admit that I AM NOT a sportsman by any stretch of the imagination. Actually I hate sportsman fishers and hunters. They do way more harm to the environment than good.


Now time for me to go catch some fish. Later..

[Hoosierdaddy]

To Hoosierdaddy>

This is to your answer about the post you you can't find out where you say, Sportsman do more harm that good>>You should read your post more clear>

I only copied the first few lines this time so you can read it easier.>

I will be the first to admit that I AM NOT a sportsman by any stretch of the imagination. Actually I hate sportsman fishers and hunters. They do way more harm to the environment than good.


Exactly what I thought. You are the one that needs to reread more closely and maybe take some reading comprehension classes in the meantime since you were obviously absent from school that day. What you quoted is what I said and never said I didn't say this. Later in the thread you made a reference that I said

hunter and fisherman do more harm than good is just out in left feild..(this is you in post # 55)

Which I did not say. Notice where I quoted you quoting me saying "actually I hate sportsman fishers and hunters. They do way more harm to the environment than good". Ok I'm going to go real slow so maybe you can grasp this concept instead of reading only what you want to read and then taking it to mean what you want it to.

Notice when I said it the word "sportsman" is included and when you said it you conveniently left the word "sportsman" out. That one word makes all the difference in the world. I never said "fishermen and hunters do more harm than good". I said "sportsmen fishers and hunters do more harm than good" and there is a BIG difference. Do you understand now?

This is the reason I kept saying I didn't say what you said I did and I didn't. I knew damn well this is what you were talking about but I just wanted to see for myself and make sure. I was right. Now don't try to tell me they are the same thing. They are not. I'm a hunter and fisherman but I'm not a sportsman. Yes sportsmen hunters and fishermen and hunters and fisherman both hunt and fish but they do not do the same things and do not do them for the same reasons. That is the difference. Now since you've been put in your place on that one would you like to try again? Even though I posted a copy of AL law directly from their website, you probably still think what I do would be illegal even if I did it in my own private pond don't you.

[55project]

You should go back and read post #48.. 2nd half.

[55project]

And i don't see a differance between >>, Hunter, fisherman and sportsman. If you hunt and fish, your a sportsman. That is usually what the word covers, Unless your not doing it by the book.

And i can see this is going no where. And don't like getting caught up in this B.S., but i did. My own fault,
If you want, you can have fun typing your argument over and over, but this is becoming a waste of time.. No hard feelings, but this is boring the S**T out of me..

I found a hole with 2 nice Muskie in it the other day, and i'm going back to try my luck again..

Enjoy..

[Hoosierdaddy]

You should go back and read post #48.. 2nd half.

Yeah so what. I wrote it and know exactly what it says. It's the truth in an awful lot of cases especially around here.

[Hoosierdaddy]

And i don't see a differance between >>, Hunter, fisherman and sportsman. If you hunt and fish, your a sportsman.

Absolutley not. Hunters and fishermen are there for food and have intentions on eating everything they can get. Sportsmen hunters and fishermen are there for the sport, thus the word sportsman, and maybe some food. Sportsmen are after trophies mainly. Hunters and fishermen are after food mainly. Understand now?

That is usually what the word covers, Unless your not doing it by the book.

Whether you hunt and fish legally or not does not change whether you are a sportsman or not. I know a lot of people that hunt deer over corn every year (illegal here), will not shoot anything but a big buck they can mount and will either cut the head off and throw the rest in a ditch (making them an idiot sportsman) or give the meat away. They are hunting illegally here and are a sportsman hunter.

I found a hole with 2 nice Muskie in it the other day, and i'm going back to try my luck again..


Only two. Are they hard to find? Good to eat? We don't have those here.

[55project]

I'm back, Never got out today, too much running to do.

I never heard it broken down like that, so i guess your way could be correct also.. Eveyone can have thier way of looking at things.. So maybe we're both correct? Depends how we were tought as kids. I always saw all 3 as the same, but you do have a point or 2.

And as far as the Muskies, they are far and few between around here, There use to be a load more, but they were mostly tiger muskie, (not breedable) So i guess they got old and now are mostly gone. There are some full breed Muskies starting to show up and i think that's what these are.. Probably washed down from N.Y.. And i never ate them, but i had my share of Northern Pike, and i love them..Plus they are a blast to catch.

Well gotta run.. Nice chating for once, don't zap them all.. lol

[Hoosierdaddy]

Well I did go fishing today. Fished with a reel and shocked. Caught nothing on either reel only saw 2 bass with the shocker but they were too small to keep so I let them go=wasted gas. I wish I could zap them all. Then I would never waste any gas and would only have to go when I was running out.

[55project]

Now that you mentioned the wasted gas, Last deer season, i only got 1 doe for meat. But with all the gas money i spent i could have brought half a steer or cow and stuffed my freezer, or went out to eat a few dozen times..

I wonder how your zapper would work if i had a puddle on a deer run..??:-Daw


Only kidding......... ;)

[Hoosierdaddy]

Now that you mentioned the wasted gas, Last deer season, i only got 1 doe for meat. But with all the gas money i spent i could have brought half a steer or cow and stuffed my freezer, or went out to eat a few dozen times..

Exactly why I use the electrofisher all I can. It helps prevent this but is not a cure all for this problem. Just like what happened to me yesterday. Shocker or not, no matter what I tried I still left with no fish. So see everybody, just because you have one of these does not mean you will even see a fish at all. I did bring up two small bass while the guy in the boat with me didn't even get a bite on his reel. This guy fishes with me a lot and I always get more than he does when we fish together but sometimes, like yesterday, we get nothing. If more people that oppose this thing were more educated as to how it works and what it's capabilities are I think a lot of them would change how they see it. It's just a different way of fishing with a little more advantage than normal. A lot of people think it's no fun or not exciting at all. This is not true whatsoever. It's very exciting because you never know what you're going to see. I've even had one of six 30 lb fish coming flying out of the water and land right in the middle of my boat.

I wonder how your zapper would work if i had a puddle on a deer run..??:-Daw

If the puddle was deep enough that about half it's body was under water you could hold it there but as soon as you let go of the button it will be gone immediately. It will paralyze mammals but the effects are gone as soon as let off the button vs Fish will stay there for a few seconds up to about 3 minutes depending on the size and type of fish.

[s-trimmed302]

I have never tried WD-40 but I can tell you this BANG Crawfish formula works without a shadow of a doubt.I was smallmouth fishing one night a few years ago and my partner and I werent catching anything had a couple bites but thats it.I sprayed some Bang on my Rootbeer colored Pig n Jig and started catching fish within minuites.My partner didnt know what was wrong because we both were using the same exact bait that usually catches Smallies here but he wasnt getting any fish whereas I was catching fish.Around 5-6 fish later I throwed him the can he sprayed his Jig and we both caught fish till we left going home.Its GREAT stuff!

[55project]

I saw the BANG spray in a store yesterday. No crawfish, so when i see it, i'm going to grab some. I have a few spots with some very nice smallies in them. I used a flake spray, not sure what scent, but it worked great for LG mouth bass. I think i still have it in the basement, think it's still good after 17 years of sitting,, lol

[s-trimmed302]

Definately try some 55project we also have some stuff here in Northeast TN called Smelly Jelly that also works EXCELLENT for smallmouth and Largemouth.We use ALOT of Garlic cooking spray here in the daytime on worms,Grubs and my dad likes it at night it works Very well too but it seems to draw more Largemouth than Smallies.If you have a Publix Grocery store near your area thats where they sell what we use its around the Pam cooking spray..Its cheap and it works great!

[Mike in Motown]

I heard about this and tried it twenty five years ago. We would spend good money for live grass shrimp and kill em with WD-40 for sturgeon. Never saw any benefit.

[55project]

Definately try some 55project we also have some stuff here in Northeast TN called Smelly Jelly that also works EXCELLENT for smallmouth and Largemouth.We use ALOT of Garlic cooking spray here in the daytime on worms,Grubs and my dad likes it at night it works Very well too but it seems to draw more Largemouth than Smallies.If you have a Publix Grocery store near your area thats where they sell what we use its around the Pam cooking spray..Its cheap and it works great!


I'll try the crawfish, it should work well on the river and i think even better up state pa where i get the bigger Smallies. I'm into my hunting season right now, but i'll try to get out somewhere in between. If i get any, i'll post a few pics..