Alcohol

[gary federico]

Any word whether Alky is permitted in the 8.50 index class? It was mentioned in last years rules that a change may be made allowing it.

[Honk if parts fall off]

Got my fingers crossed.... In conversations with track management last year it sounded like it would happen. My car fits every rule, except alky, and i'm not about to spend 3 grand in carbs just to run the class.

[gary federico]

Rule #4 says it all, guess no Atco 8.50 for me this yr


INDEX 8_50 RULES
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Feb 3, 2009 - 1:34:30 PM




4. Only Race fuel, no alcohol allowed

Shame all tracks couldnt be consistent in the rules

[OLDHEAD]

Why not PUSH for all tracks to have the same rules????Oldhead

[gary federico]

My luck Etown will change to gas only and i'd have to spend even more money to play

[supergas]

gary , your always spending money,whats a little more? lol:smt089

[nosfalcon]

i dont have anything in this but whats the big deal of allowing alky ,its still a 8.50 index

[1 bad import]

alky makes more power allowing higher hp naturally aspirated cars to run verry quickly(hit the number on motor ) (where gas cars will still need a power adder )..and there is a ton of consistancy with alchohol ..cars run good in any weather condition ..

its a heads up index class but the more street apearing they keep the class the more competitive it will stay ..

the rules are fine dont change them ..

[Honk if parts fall off]

alky makes more power allowing higher hp naturally aspirated cars to run verry quickly(hit the number on motor ) (where gas cars will still need a power adder )..and there is a ton of consistancy with alchohol ..cars run good in any weather condition ..
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What a myth that is.... If you suck ass at tunning gas or alky it will be inconsistant as all hell. You can make gas just as consistant as alky PERIOD. If you don't think so stop by some High dollar gambler races at Atco, Bill mitchel weekend is a perfect example. Numerous cars kick ass with deadly consistant gas carbs in any weather.

All this means is IF i want to come out to the 8.50 index i will have to throw away my $3,200 mechanical alky injection. I'll put a single Dominator on, with a small plate system and I'll run a Progressive controller that I can adjust to .001 of a second.

So what would you rather me have? N/A alky that is not adjustable and only as consistant as I can tune it. Or a small, very small hit that is adjustable to .001 of a second with a progressive? Seems to me the advantage is most certainly in the gas Dom with a very adjustable, very small N20 system... Carefull what you wish for i guess, you might just force a few bracket racers to try harder.... :-D


And I could still hit the number on Gas N/A, Just have to take a few pounds of Ballast out of the car.

[Andy C]

8.50 is a index or a dial in race period - True of False

99% of the cars can go faster than 8.50 - True or False.


I really don’t understand this thing about NO alcohol. It’s a 8.50 dial in class.

Lets talk about Street Look and whatever. You can’t buy at any street pump c16 race fuel but you can buy E85, so I could get alcohol car can run on the street.

c16 is what .$12 gallon, alcohol is $4.

People remember this is a index race.

If you are running coast effective you should run alcohol.

The people that are running consistent are keeping a log book of there runs and have a weather station to make adjustment it doesn’t mater weather you run alcohol or gasoline you have to do your work between round if you want to win.

The more cars show up the better!!!

[1 bad import]

What a myth that is.... If you suck ass at tunning gas or alky it will be inconsistant as all hell. You can make gas just as consistant as alky PERIOD. If you don't think so stop by some High dollar gambler races at Atco, Bill mitchel weekend is a perfect example. Numerous cars kick ass with deadly consistant gas carbs in any weather.

All this means is IF i want to come out to the 8.50 index i will have to throw away my $3,200 mechanical alky injection. I'll put a single Dominator on, with a small plate system and I'll run a Progressive controller that I can adjust to .001 of a second.

So what would you rather me have? N/A alky that is not adjustable and only as consistant as I can tune it. Or a small, very small hit that is adjustable to .001 of a second with a progressive? Seems to me the advantage is most certainly in the gas Dom with a very adjustable, very small N20 system... Carefull what you wish for i guess, you might just force a few bracket racers to try harder.... :-D


And I could still hit the number on Gas N/A, Just have to take a few pounds of Ballast out of the car.


dont talk about it be about it ..if there was no advantage to alky then you wouldnt run it ..and the advantage goes to the na 8.40 alky car that adjusts the throttle cable not the tune up ..so put that shit in with the rest of the bill mitchell racers ,or go buy a small nos kit ,carb and if you need a progressive controller for such a small hit to get your et then your dumber than im giving you credit for, you could do that with a $50 didgiset timer that arms the system off the release of the t-brake..

alky is more consistant in varrying weather conditions period and also makes more power than gas ...


and if you can hit the number on gas just do it ,talk about it ,be about it ..

[1 bad import]

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[Honk if parts fall off]

and if you can hit the number on gas just do it ,talk about it ,be about it ..


Ok you going to step up and buy my alky injection setup so i can buy a carb, a kit and the digi set you'd rather me buy, even though it can't do what i'd use a progressive to do....

I'd rather buy 55 gallons of alky at 230 bucks (4.18 a gallon) then spend some obscene amout of money on C-16... I'm not racing on your coin, I'm racing on mine. I have 3 cars to keep up on, 1 is getting totally rebuilt after a roll over, I'm not about to spend a ton of cash to replace a perfectly good Injection system.

It's a fuckin bracket class man, 8.50 is the dial in, whats the difference how the car gets there? when the class dies because cars can't come out and play then shame on you and your fellow alky haters.... I still will and still do bracket race and am more than happy doing so.

Allen send a Single gas Dominator in the 1400 cfm range my way and we'll dance.

Maybe i am dumber then you think, or maybe you don't understand how a N20 progressive can be used exactly the same way a throttle stop can be used. You are probably one of the many who has no clue exactly what is done or how a Super comp/Super Gas racer can run .90 time after time. a N20 controller can be used the exact same way as a T-stop to go .50 time after time. That would be my plan, use a legal device, in a legal way to adjust my time by as little as .001.

so we have VooDoo Delay boxes, Voodoo Throttle stops and now Magic Voodoo Alky.... priceless

[Honk if parts fall off]

8.50 is a index or a dial in race period - True of False

99% of the cars can go faster than 8.50 - True or False.


I really don’t understand this thing about NO alcohol. It’s a 8.50 dial in class.

Lets talk about Street Look and whatever. You can’t buy at any street pump c16 race fuel but you can buy E85, so I could get alcohol car can run on the street.

c16 is what .$12 gallon, alcohol is $4.

People remember this is a index race.

If you are running coast effective you should run alcohol.

The people that are running consistent are keeping a log book of there runs and have a weather station to make adjustment it doesn’t mater weather you run alcohol or gasoline you have to do your work between round if you want to win.

The more cars show up the better!!!


Thank you for the sensible response.

[BACARTY]

my only point would be is.....
Atco was first with the 8.50 index.... they said no Alky
Cecil was next, fixed some rules, changed some others but NO alky...
Then all of a sudden E-town jumps in (finally) and rights wierd noise rules and allowes alky....

[gary federico]

I won a Div championship on gas racing and adjusting from Florida to Louisianna to Chicago where the altitude was 3500ft and the winds were up to 25 mph, I can dial my gas car & i can dial my alky car.
Alky injection will make a similar set up gas engine have more power and torque in most weather except high humidity where alky is very hard to dial. Alky dial will move .01 every 4-500 ft of change vs 1-150 ft on gas. Best thing with alky is car runs cooler, stays cooler. Most of you 8.50 racers never leave your trifecta of tracks so i would think most of the players can dial off the trailer at Etown, Atco or Cecil.
As has been stated, its an index, not an out the door race, NHRA allows alky in every sportsman index class less stock & super stock.
Dont afraid of racing against differents styles of car & driver, dont you wanna be the best???

[Oldsmoduck]

I never understood the alky rule either.. I think theyre just skeered..

[jimmpaine]

There should be only two rules in any index class
-Meet all NHRA and NJ State Rules
-run faster then the index and you Lose!!

The more cars run the more money the track makes!!!

[Honk if parts fall off]

Holy shit, that makes to much sense.

[1 bad import]

hey then just ditch the rules and make it a run watcha brung ..

[Honk if parts fall off]

hey then just ditch the rules and make it a run watcha brung ..

well actually, run what cha brung, just don't go faster than 8.50. That would be fine by me, the less rules, the more people can participate. But it ain't gonna happen, so i'll stick to the 12.0 index with my street car.

[BACARTY]

i think opening up the rules too far would kill the class...

if you wanna "run what you brung" index type you can go watch the super comp/gas classes. i dont wanna watch roadsters, throttle stops, bracket-esk looking cars (2200lb tube chassis / 17x33 tires etc)

if atco wants more cars theres a simply solution, put it on a saturday
Cecil gets 25-30 cars in the middle of the season... atco gets 13-16

[Honk if parts fall off]

i think opening up the rules too far would kill the class...

if you wanna "run what you brung" index type you can go watch the super comp/gas classes. i dont wanna watch roadsters, throttle stops, bracket-esk looking cars (2200lb tube chassis / 17x33 tires etc)

if atco wants more cars theres a simply solution, put it on a saturday
Cecil gets 25-30 cars in the middle of the season... atco gets 13-16

Nothin like the guys who don't race given solutions on how to form a class.

Bacarty, which index are you going to run?

[BACARTY]

Nothin like the guys who don't race given solutions on how to form a class.

Bacarty, which index are you going to run?

* the class is already formed and has rules/racers/fans


havent decided yet, whys it matter? opinions are like assholes deal with it

8.50 is becoming the favorite class locally...
and i see how many people go to the div races that only have the bracket classes....
i think they can allow alky in if they wanted to but why? to add one or 2 cars?

and be honest with your self, you know more cars... and fans would show up if it was held on the weekend

[Honk if parts fall off]

* the class is already formed and has rules/racers/fans


havent decided yet, whys it matter? opinions are like assholes deal with it

8.50 is becoming the favorite class locally...
and i see how many people go to the div races that only have the bracket classes....
i think they can allow alky in if they wanted to but why? to add one or 2 cars?

and be honest with your self, you know more cars... and fans would show up if it was held on the weekend

Nevermind the track has a sucessful bracket program on alot of saturdays and uses the other saturday/sundays days to host a shitload of specialty races.

The index classes could be dropped tomorrow, and no one from atco would shed a tear other than all the whinning that they would hear. A few years ago people were begging for the index classes just to be run on anyday. Now all of the sudden a few index racers and you, a non racer, think the classes support the track, and the track is making so much money that they should have their own day. Give one of the Joes a call and get back to me on how that conversation goes.


The divisional races have nothing to do with a fan base, it's for the racers, not the fans. any gate that is drawn is a bonus.

The word I get about you is you have no car, or at least one that runs so I doubt your one of the racers that would show up on a weekend, maybe you'd be one more ass in the seats and buy a hotdog to boot.

Like I stated, I have more than 1 car, I'll run the slow car in an index class till the rules allow my fast car to participate, either way i'm at the track, and your buying hot dogs.

[1 bad import]

i really dont care what the rules are im on board with the alcky thing i looked enough into it that it doesnt make a real difference in my newly formed opinion ..im here to race and have fun its about getting down to the track hanging out and having fun ..
im gonna miss this race due to the rain delay ..my wife works untill 1so i dont see it happening with a baby at home ..

[ISELLSPEED]

The class was designed around street appearing cars. It was also formed for the guys that could not keep up with the rapid growth of 10.5.
The alky rule was put in to keep the bracket style race cars out.

Honk if parts has been argiung the rule for the past 2 years...give it up already. Dont see it changing anytime soon.

[Honk if parts fall off]

It was also formed for the guys that could not keep up with the rapid growth of 10.5.


That's all fine and dandy, except that if it was formed for guys that could not keep up with the rapid growth of 10.5, it would mean the class is for former 10.5 cars... Alky is allowed in 10.5 without an intercooler.

ISELLSPEED, what car do YOU run in the 8.50?

I would simply like to run my street appearing car in the class. My car was put together to run the 10.5 at Atco, but the new chassis rule which made my car go from being legal to 7.50 to 8.50 over night stopped that from happening. When we put the car together, the 10.5 class at atco was running 7.50 to 7.70, Alky was perfectly legal... Beings the car is MS, I wasn't about to spend big bucks redoing the whole car. get the whole story before chiming in.

As I stated, I'll run a slower index with one of my other cars.

[ISELLSPEED]

Get the whole story thats pretty phucking funny.
I wish I could find the emails me and Joe sent back and forth going over the rules for the class way back before the class was even started, I wish I taped the hour long phone calls me and JR had about the rules before the class was started. I wish I had the final set of rules JR sent to me asking my opinon before they were released to the GP. Get your facts right before you try and park a bus on me.
(and the emails are some where on this computer but I dont know shit about how to find them)
Why dont you pick up the phone and call JR and ask who I am....maybe you can ask him at the next bracket race you attened.
By the way what car do YOU run in the 8.50 class ?

And as far as my legal 8.50 car its in the garage and only needs a few things to finish it. But after having a rough time financially and the birth of my new son priorites change.

[lurker]

I would simply like to run my street appearing car in the class. My car was put together to run the 10.5 at Atco, but the new chassis rule which made my car go from being legal to 7.50 to 8.50 over night stopped that from happening. When we put the car together, the 10.5 class at atco was running 7.50 to 7.70, Alky was perfectly legal... Beings the car is MS, I wasn't about to spend big bucks redoing the whole car. .

I'm curious what new chassis rule you are talking about?

[ISELLSPEED]

I am gonna guess the 25.5 chassis rule that came out 3 years ago.

[Honk if parts fall off]

Get the whole story thats pretty phucking funny.
I wish I could find the emails me and Joe sent back and forth going over the rules for the class way back before the class was even started, I wish I taped the hour long phone calls me and JR had about the rules before the class was started. I wish I had the final set of rules JR sent to me asking my opinon before they were released to the GP. Get your facts right before you try and park a bus on me.
(and the emails are some where on this computer but I dont know shit about how to find them)
Why dont you pick up the phone and call JR and ask who I am....maybe you can ask him at the next bracket race you attened.
By the way what car do YOU run in the 8.50 class ?

And as far as my legal 8.50 car its in the garage and only needs a few things to finish it. But after having a rough time financially and the birth of my new son priorites change.

Junior and myself have had conversation in person about it, he's not a part of this conversation, so i won't repeat what he said... As stated my car sits, i run my slower cars in the slower indexes, if alky becomes legal i will run my car in the class. The car is a blue 1980 monte carlo, search my posts, i've posted pics on this site a few times, and i'm posting from my phone so i cannot post a pic.... A "show us your g-body" thread comes to mind, search there for pics of my 8.50 car.

If i'm correct, then i think i know who you are, and your an internet loud mouth, who's s-10 never even hit the track, and if it's in your garage you didn't/couldn't sell it either....

[ISELLSPEED]

We already know who we both are, hey if you wanna call me an internet loud mouth thats fine I could give 2 shits what you say or think about me. But what I do know is I had a great deal to do with the rules of the class and my main objective was to keep the bracket style cars out of the class and keep it street appearing plain and simple. Mission accomplished. The only rule I pushed for with JR was the use of big ET Streets in the class. I tried to help out the pro street cars with that 1 but JR said no.

As far as my shit goes your right it didnt sell and with the way the economy has turned over the last 2 years I realy didnt expect it to. I had a few offers but I would rather cut it up and make lawn orniments out of it before I give it away. Like I stated earlier my ass got kicked financialy and the birth of my son has changed my outlook on things, so if I never finish/sell it I realy dont care at this point.

[Honk if parts fall off]

So keep talking shit about a class you can't run, when you know for a FACT the car i question meets every spirit of every rule except which style hydrocarbon it burns. Your a real assest to the sport, you fucin do nothing, go clean some shitty diapers i have some cars to build/race....

[ISELLSPEED]

Who`s talking shit about a class they cant run, you.....not me.
My shit fits all the rules as they are written.
I choose not to run the class plane and simple.

Your a real assest to the sport, you fucin do nothing
See thats where you are wrong, I helped create a great class.
I helped out plenty of customers that ran/run the 8.50 class,
wether it was good deals on parts or some help at the track.
Please tell me what you have done for the sport /class.

You have complained for atleast 2 years now about the class and its rules. The alky rule only affects the minority not the majority.By some carbs run it on gas like everybody else or go back to bracket racing. Next you will wanna run 2 power adders also.

And I will have fun changing my kids diapers.

[n20mstr]

WOW....and i thought i was a "trouble maker/crybaby" LOL

It is what it is.....

I think the alcohol rule has its place, but then again, you ruled out a lot of cars that DO FIT the class, EXCEPT for the fuel they run....
Hey Honkifpartsfalloff....come on up to Etown. They allow the fuel and you will have a great time, we get treated like royalty at that track, not like a "your lucky we are letting you guys race here" class LOL

Isellspeed has done a LOT for the class, yes he did a lot becasue him and some others got the ball rolling and it took years, and im sure a lot of convincing to get one of THE best classes out there, on the schedule at Atco, Thanks Rob because it has taken off now for sure, three no make that four tracks (Lebanon valley has two races on the schedule) have picked up the Indexes and its given a career test and tuner like me a place to race

NOW where is that popcorn smiley LOL LOL

[gary federico]

I'm sorry that this post has agitated so many, I'm glad atco & cecil dont allow alcohol, this will save me some towing fuel and i will just have to have some fun at etown. There is no part of any 8.50 index rule that my car doesnt fit into except the fuel it burns. An original Topstreet car. What I dont understand is "we just want to keep the bracket car out" But what if it fits the class??

[Ten5TireRacer]

WOW....and i thought i was a "trouble maker/crybaby" LOL


NOW where is that popcorn smiley LOL LOL

Did someone say factory hood scoop?
Why is it that everyone feels something different has an advantage over what they have? :smt089
The bottom line still is you have to run the number to make it from round to round. It shouldn't mater what you have for fuel, or suspenion, you need be consistant in both your driving, and tuning skills. Why do you think Tj has been so dominant at 3 different tracks as he has been?
He hits the tree, and the car is tuned (runs the number regardless of temperature or humidity) properly. Do you really think he would have any more of an advantage if he ran methanol? If anything it would probably slow them down for a race or two until they learned how to tune it and then right back where they are.FordSux:

[gary federico]

Did someone say factory hood scoop?
Why is it that everyone feels something different has an advantage over what they have? :smt089
The bottom line still is you have to run the number to make it from round to round. It shouldn't mater what you have for fuel, or suspenion, you need be consistant in both your driving, and tuning skills. Why do you think Tj has been so dominant at 3 different tracks as he has been?
He hits the tree, and the car is tuned (runs the number regardless of temperature or humidity) properly. Do you really think he would have any more of an advantage if he ran methanol? If anything it would probably slow them down for a race or two until they learned how to tune it and then right back where they are.FordSux:
Dead On with a 0

[BoostnLSX]

The kinda bad thing is i run E85 and i dont say thats alky!!! i cant afford a trailer or to trailer it it to the track so mine car is regs and inspected and will have to drive 6 plus hours to run. but whats more street than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh a trailered unreged. C16 race car!!!!!!!!!!!! if ya want a street class the make a real rule that makes it a street car? or my thinking out of terms on this?

[jimmpaine]

I would run the Class but My car runs on Alky, All Steel car, Stock Flat Hood. E-Town is only 45min away Atco 1 hour and a half!!!!

[67elcamino]

Change the alky Rule it sucks. It's an index class.

[H & J Motorsports]

How bout a nice hot cup of STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just change it over and stop whining.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


LOL

[67elcamino]

How bout a nice hot cup of STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just change it over and stop whining.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


LOLCome on Buddy I can't drink it. I have to burn it. Can't you help a brother out.

[Dave@Finishlineperf]

At Cecil We are going back to allow Alcohol and I do think Atco will also (but don't hold me to that at Atco).

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At Cecil We are going back to allow Alcohol and I do think Atco will also (but don't hold me to that at Atco).


Well that makes my Junk able to run at Cecil and E-town.

[BACARTY]

thatwould be cool.. id like to see some of the e-town guys come down to cecil

[H & J Motorsports]

how about the Cecil guys coming to E-Town also???

[BACARTY]

how about the Cecil guys coming to E-Town also???


Friday nights kill people.
i think if e-town switches to a saturday it might get more cars.
but look at atco's car count on thursday night compared to cecil on saturday.

Cecil guys would have to take a full day off of work to make an e-town event

[Honk if parts fall off]

Cecil guys would have to take a full day off of work to make an e-town event

Not all of us, 4 day work week year round for me...

[BACARTY]

Not all of us, 4 day work week year round for me...

how come you didnt race e-town last year? or did you? i know your monte has alky but alky is legal at e-town.

And i thought your hometrack was atco? Least thats where i see you most often

[nos67ss]

Friday kills it for me.
Would have to leave work at noon at the very latest to get there.

[ss69ss]

how about the Cecil guys coming to E-Town also???

Harry, Don't know if E-town has there schedule done yet (it's not posted). Maybe you could put a word in with the powers that be over there to maybe move the Index day to a Sat. or Sun. I think it would help car counts for all the Index classes. Also thanks to Atco for switching to the weekends, that helps out a lot of us that can't get out of work.

[Honk if parts fall off]

how come you didnt race e-town last year? or did you? i know your monte has alky but alky is legal at e-town.

And i thought your hometrack was atco? Least thats where i see you most often

while i work a 4 day work week, i get offered 13 to 16 hours of overtime most fridays. In this economy it's simply to much money to pass up.

I consider Atco home, much friendlier atmosphere, but i'm 33 miles from atco and englishtown.

[BACARTY]

while i work a 4 day work week, i get offered 13 to 16 hours of overtime most fridays. In this economy it's simply to much money to pass up.

I consider Atco home, much friendlier atmosphere, but i'm 33 miles from atco and englishtown.


overtimes a nice thing

[gary federico]

2010 schedule is up but no rules reposted yet so i will repeat post #1.
Any word whether Alky is permitted in the 8.50 index class? It was mentioned in last years rules that a change may be made allowing it.

[1 bad import]

i wont be racing in the index this year but for some reason i dont like e-town ..crappy ride not as freindly ..ceicil is a great place to race but , like honk if parts fall off ..said "atco is like home"
i habve a 15 month old and a baby due in 3 weeks im taking this year off ..officaily ..i may be out in 10.0 in a mustang once or twice ..

so is there alky allowed ?

[Honk if parts fall off]

so is there alky allowed ?

yes....




Alan congrats on the new baby.

[Mike Beck]

i wont be racing in the index this year but for some reason i dont like e-town ..crappy ride not as freindly ..ceicil is a great place to race but , like honk if parts fall off ..said "atco is like home"
i habve a 15 month old and a baby due in 3 weeks im taking this year off ..officaily ..i may be out in 10.0 in a mustang once or twice ..

so is there alky allowed ?

Did your TV break or did you shut-off the cable? Maybe if you were out in the garage working on your car you wouldn't have all those kids running around!

Congrats on #2 dude! They will keep you far busier than any race car ever will. Come on up to E-Town on a Friday night for some Index racing, I'll be friendly. :)

Not sure if I will do 10.0 again this year. We shall see.